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Steinaech
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This is where I encourage everybody to contribute to creating the history and lore behind Kedal. Based on what you know about Kedal, post some suggestions about the history of Kedal.

Before you post here be sure to read the thread "What is Kedal?"

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"Back in the days after the War of the First Council, the Sixth House lost power and was massacred by Nerevar's forces. Many tried to escape, and one group in particular, under their lord Dagoth Kedalvyn, sought refuge inside an elaborate system of caves. A few centuries later, the city of Soluthis was built over the cave system. One day, there was a small landslide and an entry to the underground city of Kedal, named after Dagoth Kedalvyn, was opened. The priests of the nearby temple knew that if they were to fight the Sixth House there, they would surely lose. So, rather then fight, they sealed the entry with ancient magics and trapped the Sixth House inside. Later, one careless adventurer stumbled on the sealed entry. Curious, he tried to gain entry. He succeeded in only weakening the seal before he was never heard from again. Many beleive that an ancient creature lurks in the cave to slay anyone foolish enough to enter. And that is how it has remained to this day."

How do you like it? Is it good?

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Yea thats a pretty good start. Dagoth Kedalvyn >.<

Lets make him, Tyr Kzyriak
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An interesting question pops; why do they have such wicked names?

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I really dont know. When I first had the idea it was just Kedal. It came out of nowhere. Then I had 1 or 2 more NPC's then I quit. I reintruced these names into an RPG that me and my friend were making useing RMXP called Fire Dagon in which that remind me I need to get the names I used from there...And now that I'm back into Oblivion I'ma finish up this project. But why I use these names, I have no idea.

Perhaps somebody can come up with an answer to that so we can add it to the lore.
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The names sound somewhat Daedric, which might indicate that the place is based on Daedric worship. I dunno

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No, these people do not believe in Gods. They fend for themselves.
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Daedra aren't gods, they're anti-gods. And the names could merely be a variation of Daedric. Daedric names are like Ashurnipalamit, these are like Kznstykyntzadchen. Daedric is more like a combination of simple syllables, Kedal is similar to daedric except it is faster paced in pronounciation and it is more complex with assumed sounds (example: Kedal-Kz = Kiz, Daedric-Mit = Mit). But Steinaech, this is whatever you want to be. This is an origional and everything is totally up to you. (and you can listen to my motto "lore, schmore")

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According to what I heard while playing Oblivion, there are Daedric Gods such as Azura who are actual gods, unlike the Nine. Thats at least what I gathered from a few books and what not while doing the main quest.

But I need some lore becuase a good handful of the quests are to unlock the secrets of this Ancient city.
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No, there are no gods, only the Deadra: Recognized by most (if not all) who reprsent certain spheres of exxistance, and the Aedra which are the same. The difference being that the Aedra are those which mer hold to be their ancestors (deffinition of mer as well) and the Deadra neither do, as the men do not view Aedra as ancestors, they refer to them as the divines.

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Like to add to what DAs has said:

The Daedra are said to be fundamentally unkillable - because they always regenerate back to their 'usual form' and the Aedra are said to be killable because if they are 'killed' they cease to retain their original form, though parts of them may continue to exist, retain their shape, hold power and support what may appear to be some kind of 'awareness' or 'responsiveness' to information. The awareness and responsiveness to information part may well be a misleading description due to unexplained factors...

On the whole the Aedra are considered to be Gods by their worshipers because of their benign aspects and because they can create, and the worshipers of Aedra consider Daedra to be demons because they cannot create, they are usually destructive and usually appear to support evil

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OK, so this bunch doesn't believe in Gods or just ignore them and go their way; "make their own destiny" if you prefer dramatics.

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Well is Azura not a benevolent Daedric Diety?
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Well is Azura not a benevolent Daedric Diety?


I think it depends on point of view, but yes she's certainly less... miscreant than the rest of them.

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Well is Azura not a benevolent Daedric Diety?


I think it depends on point of view, but yes she's certainly less... miscreant than the rest of them.


You never know. Azura did play a huge part in the destruction of the stone at Red Mountain. I dunno

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Well is Azura not a benevolent Daedric Diety?


I think it depends on point of view, but yes she's certainly less... miscreant than the rest of them.


You never know. Azura did play a huge part in the destruction of the stone at Red Mountain. I dunno


Yeah, she was nice in that matter.

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There are no 'benevolent' or 'malevolent' Daedra. Some lean more to one side most of the time (Dagon, Bal), but even they have their positive or necessary aspects.

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On the whole the Aedra are considered to be Gods by their worshipers because of their benign aspects and because they can create, and the worshipers of Aedra consider Daedra to be demons because they cannot create, they are usually destructive and usually appear to support evil


There you have it: -

Cool Azura appears to be an exception - the experience during TES3 Morrowind in the Cave of the Nerevarines certanly portrays Her that way, as do the dreams and events in Her shrine, and the book Azura's Invocation too...

There again can you think of anything more evil than one who successfully pretends to be helping while actually harming?

That is why I used the words 'aspects' and 'usually appear' ... really these are comments on style, and recognise general probability...

I am certainly concerned about the Heart. But some Lore suggests that it was not actually destroyed, but rather freed from the bonds that Kagrenac set upon it? My school is still out on that topic...

Aedra and Daedra seem to oppose each other, and yet it appears that if the Heart is a remainder of Lorkan (who might be Aedra rather than Daedra) and if the Heart has been freed by Azura's intervention, then She has aided an aspect of an Aedra ... I dunno go figure.

Play all the games and read all the Lore and do it again and see stuff you never thought of before ... everyone is still trying to figure it all out ... hey, it must be real :)

Take it that generally what I have written is useful, and be prepared for the myrriad exceptions... Good job!

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In regards to Lorkhan, there's little way of determining if he is Aedra OR Daedra. I believe he is neither. He is Akatosh (and likely Dagon, too), but is also not necessarily either, as Ysmir is Talos is Arctus.

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What if.... what if long ago a few small clans of Chimer were all captured by a Dwemer lord and were held captive, over-time they were forgotten. However, they rebelled, and were driven into the depths of the Freehold (Dwemer holdings called Freeholds by Yagrum, possibly cause it was a confederacy with a King [Dumac] who held popular rule). So there they eeked out a living, trying to find ways to sustain themselves in the underground caverns under the expanding Freehold. The Freehold was called Kadthlguz and though the Chimer tried to instill their heritage on their children, the children that were born had an already strange attitude from the environment and society they were born in. The society became very extreme, and very collective. The Chimer later became great magicians and smiths so they could use geomancy powers like the Dwemer, but to conceal themselves or to trap rats or cave fish and such. The weak died and the old were thrown into cave pools to feed the hungry and blind cave-fish, and to allow for a higher population. Thus the survivors slowly became and very desperate, collective, and skilled clan. Interestingly, they have taken after the Dwemer, speaking a sort of Chimer-Dwemeric, basically a softer form of Dwemer (less consonant) and some intermixed Aldmeric and early Chimeric words... however they abandoned their gods who did not help them and called upon a spirit they sensed long ago. No one knows but they call the spirit Kedal, spirit of the undercity, spirit of their people, and they believe that if they ever find a way out, they will be freed, but Kedal will die, the god that had kept them alive supposedly.
But they say a wizard, or a Dwemer ghost, or some malicious entity is harming their efforts, and their leaders are torn, unable to decide whether to find a way to freedom and see how the world has changed and abandon their god and their life, or keep with the old way and face the new terror....

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