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The only lore we have on it is that it is a tower at the top of High Hrothgar in Skyrim, and that it is spirtually important to the nords. Have a search at TIL for more lore Wink
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Ok, thanks.
I'll see what I can do yeah? :D

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You could make a few concepts of the throat of the world.

One should be a version if the Falmer created it.
Another should be one the nords created.


The Falmer created it.. no doubt... but it is a mountain.. all Towers take a mythical form..

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Actually Krisi-_ Hrothgar is the mountain and The Throat of the Word is the tower, also known simply as Snow-Throat(Or something along the lines).
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Actually Krisi-_ Hrothgar is the mountain and The Throat of the Word is the tower, also known simply as Snow-Throat(Or something along the lines).


both is both then PGE says

Throat of the World
This is the highest mountain in Skyrim, and the highest in Tamriel aside from Vvardenfell in Morrowind. The Nords believe men were formed on this mountain when the sky breathed onto the land. Hence the Song of Return refers not only to Ysgramor's return to Tamriel after the destruction of Saarthal, but to the Nords' return to what they believe was their original homeland. Pilgrims travel from across Skyrim to climb the Seven Thousand Steps to High Hrothgar, where the most ancient and honored Greybeards dwell in absolute silence in their quest to become ever more attuned to the voice of the sky.

and Nu-Mantia say:

Every dawnmaker Tower takes a myth-form. Red Tower is a volcano and its surrounds. Snow Throat a mountain whose apex is only half here.

The Tower is the mountain!

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whose apex is only half here

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Got to keep that in mind, the top of the mountain is only half there, so High Hrothgar might be like a castle built into a cliff face. Personally I think that Hrothgar would probably look like an integration of Ayleid and Nordic architectural styles.
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its just that some people take as the mountain is only haf in the world of nirn..

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Personally I think that Hrothgar would probably look like an integration of Ayleid and Nordic architectural styles.

Exactly my thoughts. Yes
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I prefer Nordic old looking tree buildings.. and the Apex can mean a lot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apex

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whose apex is only half here

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Got to keep that in mind, the top of the mountain is only half there, so High Hrothgar might be like a castle built into a cliff face. Personally I think that Hrothgar would probably look like an integration of Ayleid and Nordic architectural styles.


I recon it was probably built by the Falmer, but then Decayed. The Nords would of rebuilt parts and added on after that, so you would get something like a Carved wooden ceiling and then you would have a marble/Ice wall with a Ayleid Design carving in it, or prehaps even symbols done in Glow mapping.
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I've said this before and nobody has challenge me on it, but my plan to appease people who said Falmer were just Ayleids living in Skyrim (there are accounts of there existence in Skyrim), and those who say Falmer were their own race is that the Falmer were originally a group of Ayleids, but had their own culture, archtiectural style, and were not a part of the rest of the Ayleid Empire. However when the conflict with the Nord's began and they often found themselves driven from their cities and into the freezing mountains, their elven constitutions didn't feel well and massive ammounts of their number froze to death, so they cut a deal with an extremely powerful Frost Atronach to help them gain Frost Resistance and an upper hand against the Nords. This is how they acquired their blue-silver-white appearce.

Their architecture would have always been unique, however since when they migrated to Skyrim the first thing they would have done is create their own tower of creatia, now this likely would have been before they had a chance to learn to manipulate ice and such to create their homes, so High Hrothgar would be built in the traditional Ayleid Architectural style. Also they may have built their cities in locations that aren't permanently frozen in the traditional Ayleid style, otherwise their cities would melt.
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Originally posted by Siegfried
I've said this before and nobody has challenge me on it, but my plan to appease people who said Falmer were just Ayleids living in Skyrim (there are accounts of there existence in Skyrim), and those who say Falmer were their own race is that the Falmer were originally a group of Ayleids, but had their own culture, archtiectural style, and were not a part of the rest of the Ayleid Empire. However when the conflict with the Nord's began and they often found themselves driven from their cities and into the freezing mountains, their elven constitutions didn't feel well and massive ammounts of their number froze to death, so they cut a deal with an extremely powerful Frost Atronach to help them gain Frost Resistance and an upper hand against the Nords. This is how they acquired their blue-silver-white appearce.

Their architecture would have always been unique, however since when they migrated to Skyrim the first thing they would have done is create their own tower of creatia, now this likely would have been before they had a chance to learn to manipulate ice and such to create their homes, so High Hrothgar would be built in the traditional Ayleid Architectural style. Also they may have built their cities in locations that aren't permanently frozen in the traditional Ayleid style, otherwise their cities would melt.


Unless they built their Arcitecture with a material similar to Stalhirm(Which I expect the nords stole of them). And would also provide an explantion for Castle Karstaag.
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Do you think the Fortress of Ice was Falmer in origin? Krisi-_ could you do a lore check on that for me? I think it was created by some old wizard, as it existed in Arena, years before the introduction of Ayleids into lore.
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I don't think the Wizard created it, Also it would be a lot more intresting if it was Falmer in Origin.
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Do you think the Fortress of Ice was Falmer in origin? Krisi-_ could you do a lore check on that for me? I think it was created by some old wizard, as it existed in Arena, years before the introduction of Ayleids into lore.


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Shalidor, according to the old texts, made his home in the Fortress of Ice.


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To get the place, the Eternal Champion had to consult with Mages Guild in Winterhold which was in feud with the knights of Fortress of Ice. The mages wanted the champion to infiltrate the fortress to recover a magical tablet that would help decipher a part of the Elder Scrolls. This piece completed a map to the Labyrinthian.


doesnt really say who..

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Shalidor himself lives in a citadel called The Fortress of Ice.

"Tamrielic Artifacts" says that Shalidor once has fought the Dwemer of The Rourken Clan. The Rourken Clan is one of the Dwemer clans that refused to make peace with the Chimer in the forming of the First Council in Velothi. Instead they exile themselves out of the land, to the west, to Hammerfell. It's possible that during the long march to Hammerfell, the Rourken Clan clashes with Archmage Shalidor. The artifact Spellbreaker is the powerful Dwemeri shield that is used in the battle. The shield is able to reflect magicks or silencing any mage.


So I got no idea.. and ESF lore forums speakulate about it too..

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The guy also lived in a Castle of Ice and his name isn't Nordic, so he's might verry well be a Falmer.


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so they cut a deal with an extremely powerful Frost Atronach to help them gain Frost Resistance and an upper hand against the Nords. This is how they acquired their blue-silver-white appearce.

I suggest you make that a Frost Monarch since that is a more powerful form of a Frost Atronach.

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well.. I figure the Falmer build Snow-Troat and High Hrothgar is nordic but thats just me.. and since Snow Troat is the mountain.. well how did they make itConfused

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well.. I figure the Falmer build Snow-Troat and High Hrothgar is nordic but thats just me.. and since Snow Troat is the mountain.. well how did they make itConfused


They couldn't buid a mountain, and there is no lore supporting it.
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do you even read my posts??

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Aldmeris bore witness and built the remaining towers during the Merethic: White-Gold, Crystal-like-Law, Orichalc, Green-Sap, Walk-Brass, Snow Throat, and on and on
From Nu-Mantia Intercept

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Every dawnmaker Tower takes a myth-form. Red Tower is a volcano and its surrounds. Snow Throat a mountain whose apex is only half here.
From Nu-Mantia Intercept

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well how did they make itConfused

It's MAGIC! Wink
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well how did they make itConfused

It's MAGIC! Wink


speak towards: now this likely would have been before they had a chance to learn to manipulate ice and such to create their homes, so High Hrothgar would be built in the traditional Ayleid Architectural style. (not that I like the Ayleid idea..)

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well how did they make itConfused

It's MAGIC! Wink


speak towards: now this likely would have been before they had a chance to learn to manipulate ice and such to create their homes, so High Hrothgar would be built in the traditional Ayleid Architectural style. (not that I like the Ayleid idea..)

Could be, but Ice Towers would arguably look a lot cooler. Yes
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I've done a quick concept sketch of this as such...
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Let me know what you guys think yeah?

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But since the Nords had come the Ayleid Architecture style would have been integrated into their own style.
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But since the Nords had come the Ayleid Architecture style would have been integrated into their own style.

probably but that cant be the Tower. (that would seam strange when the Tower is a mountain...)

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So what is the current plan for the throat of the world or whatever you wanna call it?

tower on a mountain?
fortress or something on a mountain?
just a realy big mountain?

I personaly like the tower on the mountain idea... just cause it would look awesome.. but hey, I'm jsut an artist Wink

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Hmm... Looking at your concept art, I like it a lot... It's actually very inspiring. Yes I never imagined it that way, and it reminds me a bit of the Tower of the Gods from LoZ, Windwaker... If anyone's ever played that... And I think if whoever models the place uses your concept image as a base, this could really turn out awesome! Good job!
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I was at school and I was doodling this throat of the world, its kinda messy, but ill get a link up as soon as I can. The way I see High Hrothgar is a huge tower atop a mountain maybe with a couple houses or huts and such around it. The picture will explain it better, ill try to have it up by tomorow

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I read online at the elder scrolls wiki that High Hrothgar(call it HH), was where lorkhan(in the nordic language Shor) created the Nedic world and it's people. the Nedic race, specifically nords, originally came from here, and apparently the Greybeards, an ancient and honored people among the nords live in HH. So theoretically, if there was any tower or building upon the mountain, it would be strictly nordic architecture. and the nords are kind of based off Scandinavian people, who in ancient times where vikings, and the nord architecture in Bloodmoon resembled that of vikings, with log cabins and all. so basically it would be kind of a 'viking', or for the lore of the game, 'nordic' tower. (drawing out concept on this right now, pics up soon!)
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I think the idea is that the mountain IS a Tower (but it's more of a metaphorical idea than a literal interpretation). It was made at the same time as White-Gold, Crystal Tower and the rest....
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Well, when there was a stage at this mod when ALL of Skyrim was considered, then this was talked about as a Falmer tower/large complex with Nord architecture built onto it afterwards...

Built ON a mountain. I think. Lore can really Confused me sometimes...

Oh, and jhardingame: Nords were from Atmora, and this was elven land originally. Wink

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If anyone wants me to do some concept art or something let me know, just give me a description of what you want and I can sorta draw it out :)
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