Poll: Should the PSJJJ be part of the mq |
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ghostruler
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Ok going from what Sigfread (sorry bout the spelling) said I nead some
progress befor I will be officaly acsetpted into beyond Cyrodiil, so
hear we are I nead some ideas for quests, weapons, people, places (well
beth already gave us the citys) any consept you will come up with is
lovely hear, once it is made I will try to make a mesh for it so we can
see what it might look like.
Hears some of my ideas.
Quests
PJSSS order: A pychic guild basicly
Main Quest: Revolves around deadra at first then unravles into some
thing much biger (dont know yet but I dont want it all to be about the
deadra)
Mages Guild of Summerset (i dont want this to be the same guild as the
vainila one, its going to run a bit more like the mw one I would think)
Places
Crystal tower: A point I hope is vistited many times on many ocasions. I hope it will be like a side quest arc on its own.
Any where thats on the map so far (i'll get a link soon)
People
not so sure yet.
Weapons/armor
Something mistic such as crowns, runes, and the such
Mabey a mask or something of the like.
Well thats what I have so far give me your ideas pls.
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2006.07.11 05:13 |
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Siegfried
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RE: Brainstroming for summetset |
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I suggest making the Psjich Order (spelling) a part of the mainquest,
like the Blades, as it would be quite difficult to create a faction
with psychic powers, it would likely end up being very similar to the
mages guild.
For the mainquest here are some suggestions:
The Altmer often war against the Sload and Maromer, they could be a part of the mainquest.
By Daedra I assume you mean Daedra worshiping cults, you could have
some kind of an uprising and power struggle between the cults and
Altmer Royalty.
The Altmer could try to secede from the Empire.
Architecture:
You could likely for one of your tilesets get away with a retextured of the Imperial City Architecture, as it is elven in origin.
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2006.07.11 05:29 |
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ghostruler
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ok hmm I was think that, PSJJJ is actualy rather difrent from the mages
guild, if I have gathered the right info, I mean yes they are both
magic wealders. OK I like the ideas for the main quest so I think I
just nead to refine and and more detail, as I want the mq to be rather
leghnthy but intresting like lotr. Haha bad joke. But ok so main quest
hears what I have so far as in order tell me what you guys think.
1: Travel to Summerset on a mission from the mages guild or just for fun.
2:Arive at Firsthold and are exposed to the strong deadric worshiping in the Isles.
3:After saveing some towns people, the mayor (i'll call it this for now
as I havent put enogh thought into it) calls you to his office to have
you go and investigate some of the cults.
Ok so I think haveing the mages guild part and the just for fun part
will lead on two paths that intertwine, also well thats all I have for
now I nead to sleap on it. But your investigations will have you first
travel back to the au to get your orders that you have the right to
investigate to your full potential (or something like that, then you
Join the PSJJJ and find the history of the Tribunal Sotha Sill who was
a member. This will take you all over the island(s) To the point where
the dearic cults and the Royals start to fight. Then the char must take
a side and this will be the last 1/4 of the mq where it desides the
fate of the island(s).
Ok so thats a rough skeatch of what I think sould happen I know it will
be changed along the way but tell me what you all think and tell me
what you think should change
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2006.07.11 05:43 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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The main quest should heavily involve the unique altemri culter, I
don't want a generic story in an awe inspiring setting.
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2006.07.11 07:21 |
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raggidman
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RE: Brainstroming for summetset |
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Hi all, just posted a count me in welcome thread, might be an idea to pin it.
There are a few threads that I am duplicating for all the genuinely
participating Associated Mods. The Summerset Isle Superior Botany Books
thread will be appearing soon, along with the Imperial Frontier Style
Fort Tileset recommendation.
Talking about the Psyjiics puts me in mind of their disappearing
Isle...might it re-appear in response to the (fred) Gates Threat?
There is a faction in the Altmeri ranks that wants to secede from the
Empire, and causes trouble (refusing to sell theatre tickets, bagels,
fresh fruit salads, classical music and literature to the Imperials)
but they cannot succeed...because the Imperials are too uncultured to
fully appreciate that no civilisation can survive without these
essentials!
We'll have to find the relevant Lore Books, post and pin them for
reference. If this is not to be vanilla or generic (100% with that
thought) then much has to flow from the stories involving the Altmer
and their Ancient Civilisation that we have all come to know and love.
The majic has to be heavily influenced by Psyjiic principals, and we willl have to research that very carefully.
cor, wonders to unfold...
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2006.07.12 11:33 |
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ghostruler
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First I say take a vote on that (goes and makes a poll soon) storyline
guild thing, second we'll see if we like the whole save landmass from
destrution thing. Personaly I dont like it either but we would have to
deside how to not do that. Finaly I never liked thee whole city in its
own world space thing so no city=own world space.
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2006.07.12 16:55 |
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Siegfried
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I say make it a part of the Mainquest, and as you go forward you get
powerful scripted spell that the order teaches you. It would be great
as a faction, but it seems like getting into the Psijic order is a
pretty major achievement, so maybe it should be a part of the
mainquest. Also I'm concerned that as a non MQ faction it may end up
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2006.07.12 21:46 |
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ghostruler
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Well also i'm planing on a redo of the mages guild for the summerset,
where as it will be much harder, more fun, with better rewards.
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2006.07.12 21:50 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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Ghost, it is FAR too early to be diciding things in stone and polling
them, let people discuss ideas for a while and develope the plot.
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2006.07.12 21:55 |
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ghostruler
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OK well I'll still leave the poll, but I guess your right.
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2006.07.12 22:02 |
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TheImperialDragon
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RE: Main Quest, and Guilds |
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I say wait until we have more lore until we start working on the MQ.
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2006.07.12 22:16 |
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ghostruler
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yea that sounds good
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2006.07.12 22:16 |
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raggidman
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sense to me too. Another aspect is the map of the Province - that is
part and parcel of the Lore, and will also affect our imaginations when
it really comes to mainquest time. Who does maps?
__________________ Because loyalty is not to be
spoken of and honour is to be endured. Whilst courage is to be
survived. These virtues belong to silence.
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2006.07.12 23:01 |
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X23
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It'd be cool to be able to join them, and get some unique powers in the process.
Definitly not a MQ guild "join our guild so you can run around and
defeat the ubar evil" or "join our guild, but do absolutely nothing
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2006.07.12 23:25 |
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TheImperialDragon
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I say implement the events going on in Summerset, but don't actually
twist them through the actions of the player. For example, I think we
should enforce the daedra worship, but don't allow the player to do
anything about it in case Bethesda decides that it is going to be
central on the next expansion/game.
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2006.07.13 00:51 |
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ghostruler
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That would be intresting, mabey we as players could do something slight
about it, but now we rly cant do to much with the mq without some lore
to back it up.
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2006.07.13 00:54 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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Guild Ideas:
Mages guild and a fighters guild equivelent will be neccasary, but lets try not to get generic.
Carpenters
Sload killing vigilanties
Enchanters guild
Old Traditional keep that serves no combat purpose, looking to be
brought back into use (player controled faction, manage a village and
soldiers)
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2006.07.13 01:21 |
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ghostruler
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Hmm I like those ideas, but if we do do the fighter guild can we make it more fun than the main land one?
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2006.07.13 01:23 |
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TheImperialDragon
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Dark Brotherhood...
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2006.07.13 01:29 |
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ghostruler
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Ok the reason I wanted to add the Mages Guild in was that it was Formed
in Summerset, other wise I wanted to have difrent factions. So people
could we think of difrent factions than the ones in the main game, we
waant uniquness so we must strey away from whats in the main game,
think of summerset as its self pretend there is no other place (save
for the information and lore thats dependent of it) that is how I think
we will form a unique mod unlike any other.
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2006.07.13 01:38 |
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TheImperialDragon
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Very well. But I think there should be some of the Imperial Guilds present, in equal measure of the Altmer ones.
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2006.07.13 01:39 |
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ghostruler
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Yes remeber that the altmer are trying to remove the imerial presense.
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2006.07.13 01:43 |
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TheImperialDragon
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But it provides more interest if there are as many imperial guilds as
altmer... Lots of opportunity for quests, lore, and a whole lot more...
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2006.07.13 01:44 |
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ghostruler
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True, but I do want more emphsis on the altmer, very little on the imperials.
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2006.07.13 01:45 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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Could there not be a single well maintaned garrison of imperials to
provide the quests? I want more unique, less combat oriented guilds
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2006.07.13 03:13 |
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ghostruler
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Same with I, but I dont want a guild thats all fetch, I want a mix of
all the best parts of guilds, so say one guild has a contest to advance
in rank mabey one of strength or one of Wits.
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2006.07.13 03:17 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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I say we make not only the process, but also the rewards worthwhile, a
carpenters guild could allow the player to choose a custimized unique
house.
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Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies
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2006.07.13 03:18 |
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ghostruler
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Yes, I love that idea, this is the kind of thing that will make this mod difrent and great.
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2006.07.13 03:22 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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Heck, building the house could BE the guild, choosing the style,
building the main house, getting materials, expanding, hiring,
expanding eventualy into a village?
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Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies
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2006.07.13 03:29 |
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ghostruler
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Hmmm I like that.
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2006.07.13 03:31 |
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KuKulzA
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what about a trainers guild?
Altmeri train betmeri especially goblins for war... maybe you can train
goblins! maybe have your own small goblin army! maybe trained them by
fighting one at a time, but not kiling and get an army together... and
the more often you train them the better they get until they all reach
a certain level cap, with the higher ranks having higher level caps and
then having a strong goblin army could help you in many ways...
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Originally posted by Lady Nerevar
first of all, PSJJJ is not a guild. and never should be. PSJJJ is the
first effect Anu Had on Padomay (potential had on change)[very
simplified] not the name of the psijic order. also, even though the
psijic order is accepting a lot more members as of late, I don?t think
that they would accept the player (since he basically has just arrived
on SI)
on the topic of psijics, Adanorcil (a great modder, one of the few true
lore masters, and the newest librarian) is doing a Artaeum mod witch is
bound to kick ass (judging from concepts, models, and descriptions) |
Adanorcil! he's a Altmer... or maybe he likes them... yeah he is a lot
of things... lore-buff, modder... good guy to talk to... of course
maybe he'll collaborate and allow for the Summerset Isles to have
transportatio to Arteaum? This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by KuKulzA: 2006.07.13 03:50.
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ghostruler
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is he on the esf or hear for that matter?
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KuKulzA
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Adanorcil is on the ESForums lore section sometimes...
I know cause I am there on occasion too
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2006.07.13 04:01 |
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ghostruler
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Ok then I'll see about him.
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TheImperialDragon
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Okay, I was just asleep for about four hours, and now everythings way ahead of me, so what'd I miss exactly?
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ghostruler
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A lot
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Death by sleep...
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ghostruler
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Ouch
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raggidman
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Think we still have to get deep enuf into the Altmeri Lore before
deciding Guilds for finals - have you considered any of the Noble
Houses as joinable? What else is there that is essential to the
Summerset Society and unique? (- a literature Guild? :evil grin
Have you considered the Ancient Relationship with the Bosmer - I
believe that the Altmer ruled them at on time - so there should be at
least one faction that wants to turn back that clock! - and is there a
possible Border with Valenwood = see the proposals for a separate 'war
zone' shared between Summerset and Valenwood as is being proposed
between Valenwood and Elsweyr...
There will be problems with the Gates all over Tamriel, including
Summerset, and in Summerset knowledge of these should be far more
detailed and the people far more knowledgeable about the Daedra and
their society. So daedra should be much more than just 'monsters -
apply RAI to them...
The Psyjiics have to be included. And dealt with subtly. We have not
yet got into their mindset as a team - so we must read more - damn this
heatwave - more work - but fun.
Lady N hits the nail on the head again re the Psyjiics and this is why
I value her gutsy input - who is this modder she has mentioned? And who
is he connected with? If it is TR then that is in bad taste (sorry
dear, but...)
but if an independant, then does he want in?
__________________ Because
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2006.07.21 23:40 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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Everything in our mod should have a unified feel. Knowledge, the unknown, a sort of false utopia.
__________________ The soul's condition is learning to fly
Condition grounded, but determined to try
Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies
Toung-tied and twisted, just an Earth-bound misfit, I
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