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X23
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Glass Cities

Edit:No Imperial forts, so this post realy has nothing in it to talk about, sorry

It'd be a good way to start a city project.

Ghost Edit: Since this topic is geting changed i'm changeing posts just so all of you know

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2006.07.12 16:21

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Deleated

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2006.07.12 16:47

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I thought they paid their tribute so they WOULDN'T have imperials set foot on their lands?

infact the Altmer handle their own affairs right? I mean when Sload and Maormer attack them the Empire doesn't give a shi crap about it... just goes to show how much the Empires does.. High Rock is feuding they don't do anything Skyim attacks they don't do anything, Morrowind is in a huge feud they don't care, Dres and fighting Argonians, Khajiits want to take over more land, Bosmer are pushed to extremism... etc.
basically the emprie sucks...

2006.07.12 17:38

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Ok KuKuLzA right i'm wrong so then till we get a Tileset we will imperial as a place holder.

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2006.07.12 17:51

DarkAsmodeous
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A place holder will only cause pain and suffering for all it touches. I vote we get started on some glass architecture, because that would make a wicked teaser, and when we make those few models, we atract more modelers.

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2006.07.12 18:03

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Ok your right, ok so any one want to sugest any pics as a starting point

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2006.07.12 18:05

DarkAsmodeous
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Have you ever seen people making shaped colour glass? When it is supper heated, glowing, and twisted it looks realy cool, maybe some inspiration there?

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2006.07.12 18:07

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Oh yes I love that stuff we've got a place that does that near my house ok I think I could start doin that. I'll start on it latter today, if any one wants to start ahead of me go right ahead.

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2006.07.12 18:10

DarkAsmodeous
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Awsome, glad you have seen it, because that is kind of how I always envisioned summerset, lots of multicoloroud twisty fantastic glass. A city of Jade would be kinf of awsome as well, are there any cities not describe din the lore?

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2006.07.12 18:17

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Lots of stain glass... Windows... Marble... Anything exotic...

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Nothing to gothic, and nothing roman I say, exotic they may be, but they have been done, this isn't cyrodiil, this is the wonderful world of summerset! Hey, why not go watch the wizard of oz at the end, the emerald city is a pretty place.

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2006.07.12 18:22

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Glass bridges between those tall glass towers...

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2006.07.12 18:24

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Ok, I will start a conept thread, get all the screenshots you can of things that fit in with the current idea.

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2006.07.12 18:26

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Glass working crews... Glass bird statues... Oh, what's that you said, another thread? (I'm a poet, and I didn't even know it

, there's a hint there about the Altmer culture...)

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2006.07.12 18:31

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They are Magical people so poems are part of there life I would guess.

"I didn't recal useing telaportaion, yet there I was naked."

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2006.07.12 18:46

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I say we bring the scrolls of icarian(sp, I know, the icarus story) flight to the game.

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2006.07.12 18:48

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Hmm once we get the abliity to animate bring Icaris wings in

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2006.07.12 18:53

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what I mean is, in Morrowind, this guy would fall from the sky and you oculd read his diary, he had been developing the supper jump as a means of travel, it fortified acrobatics 2000 points, and when you jumped, you could no longer see land and would most assuradly die.

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2006.07.12 18:54

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ah so make it so the altmer had perfected it, and I thought that was what you where talking about, but I felt like saying some thing about the icaras wings.

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2006.07.12 19:00

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Yes, how cool would it be to actualy use that as a form of travel? Buy a scroll, would be expensive, we disable fast travel, player leaves an obscure dungeon on a far out island, and JUMPS to the mainland.

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2006.07.12 19:03

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Well thats a fun idea

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2006.07.12 19:05

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And SPLAT!

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2006.07.12 19:08

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lol

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Ah, OK. Thanks for clearing that up. We should probably split this thread up into multiple discussions, since we're talking about multiple architecture types now.

2006.07.12 21:07

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Ok from now on all talk of Firsthold archarchitecture goes in the first hold topic.

Any other type of architecture conversation can stay hear.

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2006.07.12 21:11

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Glass would be cool. I would like to make a city with glass architecture.

2006.07.13 02:13

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How many settlements will be made of glass? How will smaller villages and farms look?

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quote:

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How many settlements will be made of glass? How will smaller villages and farms look?

Why not do a rural architecture set made out of wood that looks something like a simplified version of Rivendel from LOTR?

2006.07.13 05:52

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That might work... Lots of carved pillars, gardens, etc...

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2006.07.13 06:00

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Or tehy could not exist, all farming could surround major cities.

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2006.07.13 06:08

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But there has to be some stops and rests for the weary... Even just cliffside stone villages would work.

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2006.07.13 06:09

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This brigns up an interesting point, how much of summerset is urban?

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2006.07.13 06:12

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It is one of the oldest civilisations, so a lot of ruins would be present, as well as some larger cities... Though a lot of the landscape may be preserved and untouched, or touched by magicka...

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Actually there is no rural areas on the main Isle acording to Lore. I would expect there to be some fishing villages on other smaller Isles though...

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rural

damn I s*ck at english)

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2006.07.13 11:37

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Don't worry, just google "Define rural", it'll give you a few good results. Wink

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Hmm, so all farming will being close into town, also even if lore says there no rural area we've got to have some form of rest points along the way.

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2006.07.13 14:09

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Well, we've got to be careful around lore, which is EXTREMELY important... Maybe there can be researchers at caves or something?

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2006.07.13 14:11

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well whould you mind giving me a link to were it is? Confused

the lore)

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2006.07.13 14:12

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Yes I know but since in ob you cant just rest in the woods there has to be some beds or something.

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2006.07.13 14:13

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Well, the bigger cities might be enough, and there could be mining villages too (or does that count as rural?)... Research outposts is a possibility... I say wait until we get to that stage before actually planning that. I think we definately need some lore... I've got 3rd edition of the pocket book, so I'll have a look.

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but where does it say there is no rural Confused

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I'll PM The Old Ye Bard and ask him.

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2006.07.13 14:18

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The Summerset Isle is a green and pleasant land of fertile farmlands, woodland parks, and ancient towers and manors. Most settlements are small and isolated, and dominated by ruling seats of the local wizard or warlord. The Isle has few good natural ports, and the natives are unwelcoming to foreigners, so the ancient, chivalric high culture of the Aldmer is little affected by modern Imperial mercantilism.

hmm

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2006.07.13 14:25

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So very little Imperial Influence in the architecture...

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2006.07.13 14:26

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and "Most settlements are small and isolated, and dominated by ruling seats of the local wizard or warlord."

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Wizards and Warlords... Double-hmm...

So closest big city dominates the smaller settlements... Counts are wizards and warlords (what is the Altmer name for a count?)

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2006.07.13 14:29

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settlement are small and isolated!

I think titles for High Elves are Baron Earl and Duke.(due to that the Imga emulate the High Elves and that is the titles they use)

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2006.07.13 14:32

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But does that mean the settlements are rural... Could be mines, water supply, or other countless reasons for the town's existence...

Hmm... We could look for some High Elven names for high rank? They seem to like names like [insert name] of Cloudrest or [insert name] of Whitehaven...

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2006.07.13 14:37

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well are evrything going to be on Common? or are we going to have a bit Aldmeris?and/or Ehlnofex?

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2006.07.13 14:41

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Aldmeris is important in Altmer culture. Lots of Aldmeris influence is important for a lot of Summerset.

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2006.07.13 14:47

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so we are going to use some of the Aldmeris language??and Ehlnofex?

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Runes and stuff... I think common should be OK. Maybe texts and stuff, religious stuff in Aldmeris... What do you think?

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2006.07.13 14:50

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they have no true runes as I am avare of

religious stuff in Aldmeris
http://til.gamingsource.net/__gods/altmer.shtml

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I thought that the scrolls from Morrowind were written in Aldmeris, and the map that came with the game? Or is that another language?

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2006.07.13 14:59

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havent played Morrowind acally(lol I know)

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Alright, well, just a sec, I'll get you a map...

http://members.shaw.ca/rado907/maps.html

there's something there anyway...

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2006.07.13 15:04

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do you mean the N(for north) on deadric??
aswell as Morrowind Province(on deadric) under Vvardenfell

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2006.07.13 15:07

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Yes, I think that Aldmeris and Daedric are similar, but different... You could in theory use this map as a translator to Aldmeris (I think it's Aldmeris anyway)... Dwarves of Morrowind also used Aldmeris and their own language... I'm not entirely positive about the map, so if anyone knows?

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the text on the map is deadric. dwemer of Morrowind used their runes as far as I know

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2006.07.13 15:13

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Hmm... Are you sure it's daedric? I know the "O" is a lot like the symbol of Oblivion, but... Hmm... I know that Aldmeris is mentioned in Morrowind, and I think that that is Aldmeris, but I could be wrong.

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I am sure that the text on the map is Deadric.

Daedric Alfabeth
http://til.gamingsource.net/daedric/

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2006.07.13 15:24

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I'll have a look around and see if I can find anything... But why do the Dunmer use Daedric? Confused

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thinks it just to show of the Alfabeth

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Hmm... No luck...

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2006.07.13 15:56

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then we will just use it in Dialuge

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Good idea, now to find out the language... Make a translation of rumors. :lmao:

That's not going to be very easy, is it? It'd be nice if Beth actually wrote a text in Aldmeris... Dancing Banana

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Some words on Aldmeris and Ehlnofex
CHIM
Meaning: An ancient sigil connoting 'royalty', 'starlight', and 'high splendor'. As with most characters of that dangerous language, the sigil CHIM constantly distorts itself. Those scholars that can perceive its shape regard it as a Crowned Tower that threatens to break apart at the slightest break in concentration.
Origin: Ehlnofex
Reliable: Yes

Ehlnofey
Meaning: (Also known as Old Ehlnofey or the Earthbones). This world refers to the place and the people of early Mundus. According to myth, when the Mundus was created, many aspects of the et?Ada began to die off. One aspect, Y'ffre, transformed into the Ehlnofey, the Earthbones, so that the whole world would not die. A large piece of the Ehlnofey landed on Nirn and remained together (Tamriel). Other Ehlnofey wandered for ages. The Ehlnofey of Tamriel became the elves. The Wandering Ehlnofey became Men. Therefore, the Ehlnofey are the ancestors of Mer and Men.
Origin: Aldmeris (and Ehlnofex?)
Reliable: Yes

Ehlnofex
Meaning: Language spoken by the Ehlnofey (also known as Aldmeris).
Origin: Aldmeris (and Ehlnofex?)
Reliable: Yes

Dwe-
Meaning: Deep, Smart, or Short - This is the root to Dwemer- the word for the Dwarves. It is thought that Dwe was mistranslated from ''Deep'' to ''Short''. Thus Dwemer became ''Short Folk'' which became Dwarves.
Origin: Aldmeris (and Ehlnofex?)
Reliable: Yes

Dun-
Meaning: Cursed or Dark - The Chimer of Old became the Dunmer directly after the formation of the Tribunal. For the Tribunal's sin of oath-breaking, Azura changed their race and ''cursed'' them forever
Origin: Aldmeris (and Ehlnofex?)
Reliable: Yes

Chi-
Meaning: Changed - The throng of Aldmeri who followed the prophet Veloth in his exodus from Summerset Isle became the Chimer. They abandoned worship of the Gods, turning instead towards the Daedra, especially Boethiah, Azura, and Mephala. Because of their shift and exodus, they were known as the ''Changed Ones''
Origin: Aldmeris (and Ehlnofex?)
Reliable: Yes

Bos-
Meaning: Green, Forest, or ''Tree Sap''
Origin: Aldmeris (and Ehlnofex?)
Reliable: Yes

Bet-
Meaning: Beast
Origin: Aldmeris (and Ehlnofex?)
Reliable: Yes

Aurbis
Meaning: The realm created when Anu (Stasis) and Padomay (Change) touched. ''It contains the multitude realms of Aetherius and Oblivion, as well as other, less structured forms.''
Origin: Ehlnofex? Aldmeris?
Reliable: Yes

Aedra
Meaning: Ancestor - The Aldmer believe that they are descended from the Gods. Thus, their word for them is Ancestor, or Aedra
Origin: Aldmeris (and Ehlnofex?)
Reliable: Yes

Aetherius
Meaning: The ''magic plane'' ; it is the realm of the Aedra.
Origin: Ehlnofex? Aldmeris?
Reliable: Yes

Ald-
Meaning: Elder, First
Origin: Aldmeris (and Ehlnofex?)
Reliable: Yes

Alt-
Meaning: High
Origin: Aldmeris (and Ehlnofex?)
Reliable: Yes

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2006.07.13 16:24

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Doesn't Bos-mer mean People of the Root? Mer meaning Elves, and Bos meaning Root?

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2006.07.13 21:53

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I dont think so...(although root does kinda fit into the dictionary). aren't the argonians the people of the root Confused

probably not Tongue

). besides, the names of the races can be translated to mean many ifferent things.

that dictionaly is compleatly acurate since it was posted on til.

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2006.07.13 22:08

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No, you're right, that's Argonians who are People of the Root. Blush

Oops.

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2006.07.13 22:09

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lol, sry for the off topic.

back on topic. I dont think there is a direct mention of cities being made of glass ( if there is point me to it). what I was able to find is the descriptions of imperial sailors who say that the cities appear to be glass or insect wings ( but that is then contradiced further down in the text). I think I means that the cities appear to be delicate and naure built (like art neauvoe)

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2006.07.13 22:15

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We don't have info on all the cities, and it never says there arn't cities of glass, I personaly think that it is a great idea.

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2006.07.13 22:17

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quote:

Originally posted by Lady Nerevar
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Hey, I didn't even think about it, so don't be too proud of yourself.

quote:

Originally posted by DarkAsmodeous
We don't have info on all the cities, and it never says there arn't cities of glass, I personaly think that it is a great idea.

Maybe some out of very fine marble and other nice minerals... I'd think at least one similar to Rivendell perhaps...

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2006.07.13 22:21

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Wow a lot of stuff has happend in my few ours of absence.

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2006.07.13 22:23

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yes, glass ciites are a prety cool idea. I just dont think that its posible (due to limited resources and the value of the material) to have entire cities built of it. what I would sugest is what you seem to have come to on your own, mixing glass with other substances like marble and metal.

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2006.07.13 22:32

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No, I mean glass as in SAND glass, not the MINERAL glass... Well that's what I thought anyway...

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2006.07.13 22:34

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I'd say perhaos foundations of coral, stone and marble above that and maybe a few distinguished buildings of glass and metal frames...
I mean the sload were first... but the old elves maybe made things out of stone, then got real refined?

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2006.07.13 22:35

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Does it have to be dwemer style glass? Couldn't it jsut be magicaly formed glass? At least for one city? That would be so fsking cool.

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2006.07.13 22:40

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quote:

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No, I mean glass as in SAND glass, not the MINERAL glass... Well that's what I thought anyway...

that would not hold well... regular glass is not very durable.

well, I supose it could be very think and/or magicly refined *shrug*

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