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The Old Ye Bard
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The Summerset Isle is a green and pleasant land of fertile farmlands, woodland parks, and ancient towers and manors. Most settlements are small and isolated, and dominated by ruling seats of the local wizard or warlord. The Isle has few good natural ports, and the natives are unwelcoming to foreigners, so the ancient, chivalric high culture of the Aldmer is little affected by modern Imperial mercantilism.

hmm

I'm sorry but that lore you have there is from the old Pocket book not the new one. That lore you have there isn't reliable.

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well tell me where(in the new or old or anywhere) it says its not rural?

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quote:

Originally posted by Lady Nerevar

quote:

Originally posted by TheImperialDragon
No, I mean glass as in SAND glass, not the MINERAL glass... Well that's what I thought anyway...

that would not hold well... regular glass is not very durable.

well, I supose it could be very think and/or magicly refined *shrug*

I was thinking magickally enforced thick glass... No windows, just glass.

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Krisi-_
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well all cities cant be glass

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No, some marble, metal, etc...

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DarkAsmodeous
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agreed, onlyone city is planned for glass.

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2006.07.14 00:07

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which?

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The capital

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quote:

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I'm sorry but that lore you have there is from the old Pocket book not the new one. That lore you have there isn't reliable.

I'm sorry too, if only because from all indications much Oblivion Lore is very poorly integrated, and widely disrespected. Just because Oblivion was made after Morrowind does not mean it is better or more reliable.

Consider that consoles are not known for the quality of their Lore, and they have had a more than acceptable influence over Ob.

One indicator of the poor quality of Oblivion Lore is that I do not hear anything about the extensive beurocracy that a vast Empire creates over a period of hundreds or thousands of years - oh, so sorry, not exciting or 'joinable'?

Also the Empire is not exactly known for the total reliability of its propaganda...

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DarkAsmodeous
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I say leave the oblivion bashing out of it. New, even if its "consolized" lore, ALWAYS supersedes old lore.

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2006.07.14 02:18

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Consolized lore shouldn't supercede good interesting lore. It already makes me made the story of Oblivion wasn't as good as Mw, and I only have average knowledge about lore. Imagine how it is for someone who studied the ES series, enjoyed the story and lore, and wants mods to go with good lore.

But anyway, you're definitly right about the Imperial propaganda. We should purposely make it so there are things that contradicts it.

2006.07.14 02:25

DarkAsmodeous
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I agree there, but Oblivion lore is the new ES lore, and nw games will incorporate it, new lore is new lore, I can understand benf=ding a bit on a few issues, but overall, it is the new official lore.

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quote:

Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard

quote:

I'm sorry but that lore you have there is from the old Pocket book not the new one. That lore you have there isn't reliable.

damn I still cant seam to find it! I got to be bad at looking and we should probably move the rural vs non rural discusion somewhere else

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The capital

ok are you sure it the capital who is crystal?

and sry for dubleposting

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I thought it was... Something else? Confused

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Its the capital I'm sure of it, someone can check tho, I would like to make sure that I'm right.

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Alinor

A forbidden city for nearly fifty years, Alinor is both capital of the Summerset Isles and the heart of the Aldmeri Dominion. Human traders were only allowed at its ports, and they described the city as "made from glass or insect wings." Less fantastic accounts come from the Imperial emissaries of the Reman Dynasty, which describe the city as straight and glimmering, "a hypnotic swirl of ramparts and impossibly high towers, designed to catch the light of the sun and break it to its component colors, which lies draped across its stones until you are thankful for nightfall."

source: The Imperial Library, pocket guide first edition

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Woot I was right, thanks TID.

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2006.07.15 00:19

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quote:

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Alinor

A forbidden city for nearly fifty years, Alinor is both capital of the Summerset Isles and the heart of the Aldmeri Dominion. Human traders were only allowed at its ports, and they described the city as "made from glass or insect wings." Less fantastic accounts come from the Imperial emissaries of the Reman Dynasty, which describe the city as straight and glimmering, "a hypnotic swirl of ramparts and impossibly high towers, designed to catch the light of the sun and break it to its component colors, which lies draped across its stones until you are thankful for nightfall."

source: The Imperial Library, pocket guide first edition

ok, pay atention to the italic, bolded, and URLed bits. first of all, since no-one but the altmer were alowed to visit it for over 50 years [1], other races wouldn't know what it was made of. the very fact that the descriptions of the city vary so much reinforces the fact that few people realy know what it looks like. to me it seems that the city is just very organic and flowing (art nouveau again). however, I do see how it is save to asume thats its atleast partly made of glass (red).

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No, from the FIRST EDITION of the guide... Before Summerset was a part of the Empire.

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DarkAsmodeous
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Since we cannot be sure, just make the damn city glass, we all want it, so let it be.

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2006.07.15 01:46

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Thank you, let it be technicaly its part of the lore and second thats the way I danm well want it.

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check this tread plz.. oh and Krisi-_ there is me..

http://til.gamingsource.net/yabb/YaBB.pl...18697;start=all

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2006.07.20 00:38

DarkAsmodeous
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firsthold.... Is the glass city? Ok then, we need to reconsider some things... damn.

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2006.07.20 00:44

Krisi-_
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well.. I do belive there are a litle glass I each city..

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Wow this is a long thread

Old lore/New lore I dont know the difference, what I have read about summerset isle is no different from what ImperialDragon and a few others have stated.

Considering that the Altmer consider themselves better than other elves and "direct" decendants of the Aedroth, it would make sense that the would build tall towers reaching to the skies which would reflect the light
of their ancesters throughout the city (at least it sounds good

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My understanding is the Alinor is the only city with such towers
and the rest of the land is described as rich and beautiful, fertile
with white beaches and coral reefs

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Hmm... I guess there might be two (2) glass tower cities? Confused

Well, I'm not sure, but your idea of "reflecting the light of the ancestors" sounds like a good base for something here... Good job!

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One other thing I wanted to ask, is the landscape allready finished
if so were could I get a copy of it

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Why 2

is 1 other then Alinor allready started ?

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We haven't quite gotten to the land yet Wink

, but DA made a little bit of it, and we're working on a tileset. Heh, no we haven't started on any cities yet (we seem to be still in the discussion stage, so to speak.)

Are you interested in joining?

If so, that'd be awesome Yes

, thanks.

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Just so ya knows.. I have a particular liking to Summerset ... for this reason....way back in the paper days (I think it was 77) some friends and I concieved a game world in which an Island, Similar in geography was the focal point of the events and remarkably we too made it the homeland of the High Elves, its kinda strange how the gaming world works

The Capital is a city also remarkably was made of crystal

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I wouldn't mind helping out, but I wouldn't be able to contribute anything as far as models or interiors or any of that stuff cause I'm not working in TES4 (until I get the new PC) soon I hope

My contributions at this point could only be suggestions and ideas, finding information and such

Could you imagine Alimer looking similar to one of these

bob196045 has attached these images (downsized versions):

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These are all very interesting... I've always imagined Summerset to look a bit like the middle one (closest), but there'll be a lot of bridges and stuff... They all look like they'd be interesting to implement though, are they yours?

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Oh no . not mine, just some stuff I had for ideas on a city ... I got them from scifi cityscapes.

I like the middle as well, it would seem to fit better into an Island landscape I think

Bridges would be a must if you go with the tall tower concept, can't levitate in TES4.... (thats what I've been told) dont know from experience
but summerset would probably be different anyways.

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A lot is different in TES4, but that doesn't mean we can't create Summerset as how we imagined it! Wink

Just imagine the possibilities, levitating elevators and platforms, ancient libraries, antique statues... I truly think that if we do this mod right, it could go a looooong way.

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2006.07.20 05:39

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This is true, thiers not much lore about summerset, at least not that I can find, just little bits here and their, gives a good starting point to create your own. Since it is beleived that summerset is one of the possible places the mer first came to these lands so it would have lots of old stuff,
ruins, artifacts etc etc

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Plus there's lots of lore in TES: Redguard. Very good game, unfortunately I haven't been able to get it to run on my Windows XP system yet Frown

but worry not, I will succeed one of these days (probably). Actually, that game supports a lot of the lore of Tamriel, I'm surprised no one has really brought it up much here... Confused

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lore from redguard... hmm.. read the storyline or play the game... there are one book who have a bit on Summerset and thats just Elven Artifacts part I other that that its dialogue and storyline.... And the 3rd one whould be most like it... but look more build out I think your look like it have comed opp from the ground...

oh and..

thats Gothic and well if thats High Elven... the the windows whould be the crystal when you se it in the sun..

bridges..

quote:

A forbidden city for nearly fifty years, Alinor is both capital of the Summerset Isles and the heart of the Aldmeri Dominion. Human traders were only allowed at its ports, and they described the city as "made from glass or insect wings." Less fantastic accounts come from the Imperial emissaries of the Reman Dynasty, which describe the city as straight and glimmering, "a hypnotic swirl of ramparts and impossibly high towers, designed to catch the light of the sun and break it to its component colors, which lies draped across its stones until you are thankful for nightfall."

oh and to try to end the rural stuff...

quote:

The Summerset Isle is a green and pleasant land of fertile farmlands, woodland parks, and ancient towers and manors. Most settlements are small and isolated, and dominated by ruling seats of the local wizard or warlord. The Isle has few good natural ports, and the natives are unwelcoming to foreigners, so the ancient, chivalric high culture of the Aldmer is little affected by modern Imperial mercantilism.

That from PROVINCES OF Tamriel too Rocking Banana

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Yeah I read some of the Redguard stuff, I didn't see too much about summerset a few references to it, I think someone said to someone else. "I havent been their in years, a beautiful place" I remember reading that, but don't remember much else

Nice drawings

The only image I've seen anywhere which shows the tower looks similar in style to those.

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well thats the point.. and google gothic on images and you will find those(and much other stuff)

you mean that right?

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Yup thats the one !!

isn't that suppose to be the Crystal Tower. If so it doesnt look very crystal at all, also the crystal tower isn't in Alinor

When I think of crystal (or glass cities) the first thing that pops in my head is the Emerald City from Wizard of Oz (somethings wrong with me) lol

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Yup thats the one !!

isn't that suppose to be the Crystal Tower. If so it doesnt look very crystal at all, also the crystal tower isn't in Alinor

When I think of crystal (or glass cities) the first thing that pops in my head is the Emerald City from Wizard of Oz (somethings wrong with me) lol

Bob

More or less... But maybe with smaller spikes sticking out here and there and generally more decorated, and the surrounding landscape is covered in ice due to the magic from the tower perhaps? ...

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Arena is not a veritable source of lore, I say we let ghost decide what it will be like.

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Well look at page 75 in the PGE and I know Arena lore is outdated

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Have you considered marble or a white sandstone for the buildings, with the glass instead of the "brick" look ?

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It'd be nice to have modular glass pieces, so we can make several different buildings and towers out of one tileset...

Same for white marble, or any other type of stone... Hmm... metal... I don't suppose we could have a metal city?

Like the Steel Tower of Orsinium, or something like that?

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Metal would look nice, but it just wouldn't seem right

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Give Me a neon lime glass Palace thats bigger then the imperial city and id never complain about it Bounce

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I say no, even tho I like green.

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I was kinda just jokeing b/c that is an unreasonable thing to ask for

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I don't know, a slightly darker green palace with some marble or jade could be very awe inspiring.

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Well we do have a jade thing going, Hmmm yea, if we did that we could use the color of the glass in green boys avatar. What if we had like red glass to? that might not work but its a thoght.

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2006.07.24 02:46

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Red, yes

Green, yes

Red and Green, no.

Red glass in other places, perhaps a light blue along with the green? Fits the look of the ayleid retext.

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I didn't mean together. But yes I think where thinking the same thing

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Red + Green = X-mas

so Wheres my presents?

lol
the light blue with green would work well

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Yes the light blue, with the marble building would look real nice

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