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Mormacil
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Well you do know you're on trialtime for BC right? How you perform now determines if you get or not 
And we're worried about the lack of progress of Thras itself.
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IAMTHEEMPEROR
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Ok, so if Thras is dead, than that means these forums need to go. It's
over. My intention was to help Thras, but if there's only these
Oblivion planes left, I really have no interest.
And only 100 replies? I've seen over 600 in Silgrad's Redoran Models threads. 100 for an entire plane isn't really that good.
I registered at your forums, congratulations, 10 members. I don't feel
compelled to do anything there, I agreed to Thras. If you have issues
with me, then I quit.
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Lady Nerevar
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Registration Date: 2006.01.04
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I think you are bieng a bit biast over here. I'm nottrying to defend
anyone or bash anyone (atleast not onpurpose), just trying to point out
the fact.
most of the replies on the redoran moldes were just "ooh,
shiny/cool/awesome/[adjective with good conotation]",as they are infact
on most modeling threads. on a plane of oblivion you cant realy go "ooh
shiny" just yet.
second of all, thras is making no less progres then most of the other
teams here, and they got in. not saying that all teams should be purged
or that thras should be accepted, just saying that a standard must
somehow be kept if you want this to seam fair.
@TOYB: so, if you have your own forum, and you have a desier to
continue thras... why not just do it outside of BC? I mean realy, its
not like this is a our way or the high way thing. if you realy want to
continue modding you can do it outside this fellowship just as easily
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Mormacil
Herma-Mora the Woodland Man
Registration Date: 2006.08.15
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I admit lots of projects here got a little setback and you're right
about continuing outside BC. If TOYB really wants this mod to happen he
finishes it outside BC just as hard... if not there's something wrong.
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Seniosh
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Registration Date: 2007.01.23
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Well of course he COULD finish it outside of BC, but it's a lot nicer
to have a home, you know? BC is a community, and Thras can enrich that
community. Official forums are a way of welcoming them all, and at this
point maybe re-energizing. We can all help each other, you know?
That's why BC exists. Plus it's a more impressive to say you're part of Beyond Cyrodiil.
But if you guys don't get forums here soon, i'd say that the best
solution is just to work full-steam on your mod, and use your own
forums, instead of just waiting.
Lady N's right with the models thread. Cause every time another
screenshot is released, everyone feels the urge to share how nice they
thought it was. even if you're only working on like 6 models, you can
probably get at least 6 separate wip shots on each, making 36
opportunities to comment. if 10 people comment on each shot, that's 360
comments right there. Development doesn't need that many posts, because
you can say a lot at one time, and things get done silently.
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Vality7
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Registration Date: 2006.08.13
Posts: 132
Location: Nouvelle-Zelande
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Originally posted by IAMTHEEMPEROR
Ok, so if Thras is dead, than that means these forums need to go. It's
over. My intention was to help Thras, but if there's only these
Oblivion planes left, I really have no interest. |
You should be doing what you enjoy doing, and if you don't enjoy
helping out with Moonshadow, then you can quit, its entirely up to you.
Don't let anyone stop you from doing what you want to do.
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| And only 100 replies? I've seen over 600 in Silgrad's Redoran Models threads. 100 for an entire plane isn't really that good. |
Wow, uber numbers there dude. Like i've never seen a thread with 600
posts in it before, and like, you just totally made my point redundant
with that figure.
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| I registered at your forums, congratulations, 10 members. I don't feel compelled to do anything there, I agreed to Thras. |
So why'd you sign up to those forums if you had no interest in participating with the Planes of Oblivion or with Moonshadow? Seems rather pointless to me. 
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| If you have issues with me, then I quit. |
Why would you let someone you don't even know get in the way of what
you want to do? Think about what you're saying. I have little to do
with this mod, I just made a forum to help out with planning (and gave
you guys a heightmap and world design). I don't care what you do, as it
has nothing to do with me, or what I want to do. You should be here to
enjoy yourself, thats what modding is about, if you're not enjoying
what you do, then you have every right to leave, and to find something
better to do, simple as that, but don't try make it about someone else,
as thats a very poor excuse for quitting.
I created those forums as a favour for you guys, i'm not trying to gain
a certain amount of members or get a certain amount of posts. Its for
planning purposes, a little more room to move around in, and it simply
works better for planning Moonshadow than using the Thras forums. I
think you're the only one who can't see that.
I personally don't even need the forums, I made them for the TES4
modders here, i'm capable of working on my own, and happier to work
alone, and is what i've been doing from the beginning and what I plan
to do till i'm finished.
I can easily convert the forums to be the Thras forums, but I don't
think its necessary to get rid of these ones just yet, its not like the
other will pick up any more than these.
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IAMTHEEMPEROR
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Registration Date: 2006.07.04
Posts: 2,075
Location: New England
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I signed up because you called me rude. I don't like it when people
hate me, so I try to fix these things. Really, I'm getting tired with
organized modding now, so I'm probably going to leave for a while and
do my own things.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone or anything, or seemed like a jerk. It
was early in the morning here, I'm not a morning person, and I'm not
feeling good. So I'm a jerk right now.
And it's not that I hate the other forums or anything of the sort. But
it seems much harder to manage things between two forums concerning one
or two related projects. If you want to move everything to the other
forum, go ahead. But I really don't want to work on other forums,
because I'll eventually forget about it.
Jeez, after reading my last post, I AM a jerk. Sorry guys.
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DarkAsmodeous
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Registration Date: 2006.05.25
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I'm impressed with moonshadow and support the effort to create it, the
heightmap looks nice and the trees seem interesting. However,
moonshadow is but a tiny fragment of the application TOYB gave to BC as
the standard of what to expect, you have a heightmap for thras, I'm
impressed (Elsweyr took a bit longer....) Now that you have one, show
me what you can do with it, otherwise it just looks like stagnation,
with a single modder doing the heightmap work.
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Vality7
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Registration Date: 2006.08.13
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Location: Nouvelle-Zelande
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Originally posted by lsimm14
hey I have two towns up in Moonshadow already and I've only had a few
days, but I'm not doing moonshadow seperate, when I wen ton the ESF the
only person to offer a good deal of help was TOYB and without VALITY
I wouldn't even have a hight map let alone two towns, a storyline,
amodels for use in the world, and a guard armor/weapon set, Moonshadow
will only stay with thras. I'm not spliting it off |
*Ahem*
Anyway, so what you're saying is that if Thras dies, then so does
Moonshadow? I honestly have no hopes of either project being completed,
I never have, as i've seen this all before, too many times. The only
reason I decided to help, was because i'd already done all the work,
and it was a very simple (and enjoyable) task to share what i'd done.
Both you (Isimm14) and TOYB are too reliant on other people to get your
own work done. If you're not prepared to finish it alone, and if you
don't have the skills needed in each area of modding, then I can almost
guarantee that it won't ever be finished. As has been said, the
excitement wears off, the reality kicks in, and you guys will find
yourself in over your head, thats if you haven't already. I'm not
saying you should quit, i'm just letting you know. Just enjoy yourself
while you can.
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Mormacil
Herma-Mora the Woodland Man
Registration Date: 2006.08.15
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But how about Thras itself? How are those coralhouses?
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KuKulzA
King
Registration Date: 2005.09.07
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Originally posted by lsimm14
hey I have two towns up in Moonshadow already and I've only had a few
days, but I'm not doing moonshadow seperate, when I wen ton the ESF the
only person to offer a good deal of help was TOYB and without TOYB I
wouldn't even have a hight map let alone two towns, a storyline,
amodels for use in the world, and a guard armor/weapon set, Moonshadow
will only stay with thras. I'm not spliting it off |
I admire your loyalty. I also admire the progress on Moonshadow.
However I am disappointed to see how sidetracked the project has
gotten. While TOYB has done great for Moonshadow, where is the focus?
where are the priorities? Is the Thras project abandoned? It seems so
to me. Perhaps Moonshadow is best as a separate mod.
I come from the perspective of a mod-leader, someone on the sidelines.
After awhile you can smell if a project's momentum is healthy or not.
And like Vality7 said, we've seen a it happen, so many times... most
major projects die. And it's either drawn out death or a sharp decline
after the hype is gone. I just want all remaining members of Thras, and
its co-leadership to step back and ask themselves where are they going
and what they are going to prove to themselves and everyone. Do they
truly want BC membership? If so, work hard and intelligently. If you
want the mod to succeed in general, work hard and intelligently... be
devoted. But realize these are mods, there is your normal lives outside
of this... and that has been a fundamental issue for all of us at times
- and that's ok... but be sure you're all ready if you are going to
continue or apply to join Beyond Cyrodiil...
I think I have said what has been needed to be said 
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OblivionMon
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Registration Date: 2006.08.20
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Perhaps a project dedicated to just making Oblivion Planes is worthy of Beyond Cyrodiil, it sure sounds good to me.
Oh and KuKuluza you know your stuff as all of us have seen projects go with the wind.
~OBmon
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KuKulzA
King
Registration Date: 2005.09.07
Posts: 7,878
Location: USA / Taiwan
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Originally posted by OblivionMon
Perhaps a project dedicated to just making Oblivion Planes is worthy of Beyond Cyrodiil, it sure sounds good to me.
Oh and KuKuluza you know your stuff as all of us have seen projects go with the wind.
~OBmon |
that's what I alluded, to but its up to the Thras porject members to
rethink their goals... and we sure have seen a lot of projects 'gone
with the wind'.... just don't break wind while you're at it
if you go down, be graceful 
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Vality7
First Knight
Registration Date: 2006.08.13
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Location: Nouvelle-Zelande
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
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| Both you (Isimm14) and TOYB are too reliant on other people to get your own work done. |
*Cough* I've gotten plenty of work done my self. |
What I mean by that is I don't think you (or Isimm14) have the skills in all areas if you were to have to do it alone.
Like modelling, texturing, exterior/interior building, scripting etc,
then theres actually doing it and having commitment. I don't know about
Isimm14, but I know that you have trouble sticking to completing one
project...I mean no offense by this, but out of all the WIPs you've
ever started, have you ever actually released anything complete?
As I said before, like OblivionMon, I would think that The Planes of Oblivion is worthy of its own BC project. It can of course be tied in with Thras or any BC mod easy enough.
Its good to hear your still working on Chorrol, post some updates on the forum if you can.
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