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vvardenfell trolls' appearance...?

what should trolls in Vvardenfell look like?
they will be in the Sheogorad mostly so it will be a lot of swimming and island hopping. They will have to adapt to a maritime environment that is somewhat cool but not cold, and quite moist.
Therefore I think they will look more like amphibians rather than monkies. They will still ratain the troll look... but notice how trolls quickly adapt into new species.... the Udefrykte was an ancient breed of Northern troll, they had two eyes and thick black fur... the Grahl are snow trolls with blubbery hides and tusks and shorter, thicker bodies to adapt to the cold environment of the north. The Cyrodiilic trolls are hariy and lanky like apes...

so what would trolsl living in the Sheogorad look like? ....beastly looking salamanders/frogs?

This is the revised story of the Goblins, Durzogs, and trolls coming to Morrowind.

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Goblins have been long used as frontline troops or cannon-fodder. The Altmer had a tradition of training them and using them to take the brunt of the enmy in battle. So it came to no surprise to a certain group of goblin tribes when a group of Altmer came to their camps to recruit their tribes for war. The goblins were loaded onto a small fleet of large Dunmer slave-barges and shipped to Morrowind. However, more than half of the fleet was shickwrecked on the shores of the Sheogorad archipelago. Three ships remained to sail around the eastern shore of Vvardenfell (away from Imperial coastal guard) and sailed down the Thir River. Helseth then arranged for the goblins to be smuggled into the wilderness outside of Mournhold / Almalexia (city) where part of Old Mournhold was still above ground. The goblins were forced to dig through until they reached what was underneath the Godsreach section of Mournhold's inner-circle. Armion and Yarnar trained them.
However, two other tribes were shipwrecked on the Sheogorad. About half of them died, including the trolls and durzogs brought on the voyage. However, the trolls quickly adapted to the new environment. The Durzogs and goblins quickly made lairs and caverns to dwell in. Later their warchiefs would contact Valenvaryon's orcs in hopes of partaking in the emerging Betmeri League. One group of Goblins was also brought down to Nchurdamz by the Telvanni at the request of betmeri warlords living in the Sadrith Forest. Soon the survivprs of the two shipwrecked tribes made their homes on Vvardenfell... Gormflang in the Sheogorad, and Nchurdamz on the edge of the Sadrith Forest.

Sheogorad Tribe: Warchief Ulug & Dukag
Gormflang is a goblin warren composed of a series of caverns and tunnels dug underground. It is a colony of goblins ruled by its two Warchiefs. Durzogs and many trolls also make this their home.
Sadrith-forest Tribe: Warchief Kagroc & Ufthak
Nchurdamz has become a goblin fortresswhich is not their home but the hills on either side have cave-dwellings for the Goblins and Durzogs. The strongest of goblins are garrisoned within Nchurdamz with their Warchiefs.

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RE: vvardenfell trolls' appearance...?

I would say that we do a reskin of the cyrodill troll, maybe using some slimy/scaly oblivion textures... but if someones willing to model it i'd say to make it similar to the creature from the black lagoon

and I like the new backstory Good job!

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2006.02.27 03:41

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RE: vvardenfell trolls' appearance...?

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I would say that we do a reskin of the cyrodill troll, maybe using some slimy/scaly oblivion textures... but if someones willing to model it i'd say to make it similar to the creature from the black lagoon

and I like the new backstory Good job!

1. I would like to... but I am still getting past blocky simple models
2. yeah I like the new one too... more real, better laid out, and just overall better Pleased

2006.02.27 03:43

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I agree with Batman. Something with webbed feet and ampibious. Maybe make it only come out at night. That would be eery to see one of those things rise out of the fog covered water

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so far we seem to all agree on an amphibious troll breed Yes

2006.02.27 20:38

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O and they either live in damp wet caves or grottos

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O and they either live in damp wet caves or grottos

yep...

2006.02.27 22:29

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Leader of the trolls is Gottum

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2006.02.27 22:42

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Leader of the trolls is Gottum

nah, but each small group of trolls has their leader... don't worry, as betmeri league faction leader I'll take on that responsibility of naming and such

2006.02.27 22:48

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O very important Underwater breathing or not and swimming or not?

If so there underwater breathing should be permant so they dont drown lol

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2006.02.28 00:30

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yes... I think they should have full time water breathing and swimming too...
it would be weird to have them "walking" underwater on the seafloor... yet kinda cool

2006.02.28 00:53

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Ebony: Do you mean Gollum, Gottum?

I think they should swim on the surface or just wade through shallow swamps. When I was a little kid in Florida, I lived near a swamp, and I always had nightmares of something coming out of the sludge and attacking Eek 1

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quote:

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Ebony: Do you mean Gollum, Gottum?

I think they should swim on the surface or just wade through shallow swamps. When I was a little kid in Florida, I lived near a swamp, and I always had nightmares of something coming out of the sludge and attacking Eek 1

funny... my childhood main fear was quite different Eek 1

was never scared of such stuff.... the only thing I was scared of was martians coming out of the toilet... but then I figured I could just crap on them so I ceased to be scared of anything except being beaten by parents when I did something bad like stealing from a store, lying, or failing a few assignments in a row...
...I also feared dishonor....

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you're image just changed in my mind. But yeah, swamp-thing scared me shitless

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you're image just changed in my mind.

is that good or bad?

as in now you see me as a semi-fearless guy?
or now you see me as a crazy kind of guy?

2006.02.28 01:20

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A combination, leaning to Crazy, but I respect crazy

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A combination, leaning to Crazy, but I respect crazy

good, I like that

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anyhow, back on topic yeah?

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2006.02.28 01:27

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Tamriel Rebuilt did both a Sea Troll and a Swamp Troll... maybe we could look to them for inspiration? You can check them out by downloading the Objects of Tamriel pack from their website.

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2006.03.04 22:31

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yeah, I would be looking for something not quite as aquaic as the sea-troll and not quite as swampy as the samp-trolls....
I have a drawing in the works.... but it is far from completion in my opinion...

2006.03.05 14:38

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Well here's what the troll in Cyrodiil apparantly looks like: http://www.elderscrolls.com/images/art/o..._concept07B.jpg - do we want to take that idea and just alter it a bit? Maybe not even make a new model, but rather just take the troll that comes with Oblivion and re-texture it? Or there's also the troll Lady E did... any thoughts on that?

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2006.03.05 18:30

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The trolls adapt to new ecosystems quite well, so we want to keep the "basic" look and structure, but alter things like skin, muscle structure etc. that helps with the enviroment. Like instead of fur, bear skin would be much better in a swamp enviroment

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I think... 2-3 eyes... muscular... large arms.... shorter legs with webbing....
something SIMILAR to the TR sea-trolls of TamrielRebuilt, but more landish.... a "grotto troll".... Brew

2006.03.05 20:40

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So perhaps we could take a troll from Oblivion, and re-texture it to make it have slimey muddy turqouise skin instead of green fur? Although I don't know about the webbing... maybe the model could be brought into a program to have the webbing added...

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2006.03.05 20:47

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Basically yes. But I like webbing!

Oh, and I meant to say bare skin

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Ever play world of warcraft we could make them scaly like murlocs. The colour invisioned was blueish green

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Well if we make them scaley that would be a change from mammalian to reptilian, and i'm not sure we'd want to change them that much. do we?

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2006.03.05 22:35

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quote:

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Ever play world of warcraft we could make them scaly like murlocs. The colour invisioned was blueish green

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Well if we make them scaley that would be a change from mammalian to reptilian, and i'm not sure we'd want to change them that much. do we?

I have played Warcraft2, Warcraft3, and Wolrd of Warcraft.... Murlocs, yes, I like 'em, and they were so ripped from Final Fantasy or whatever... those surdoka or something (I don't remeber name)
they are somewhat mammilian creatures... not reptilian.... I have a drawing coming of what I think the sheogorad troll woul dbe like... so hold on tight dudes ....e-hehehe Pleased

2006.03.05 23:16

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hmm....
with the look of an amphiuma....
1, 2
and sort of a leopard seal look....
1, 2
but with the basic physique of a troll... trollish
but more streamlined for cool coastal waters and ambushing prey near the coast or their watery dens...

so I am thinking strong, thick paddle-ish arms but ending in claws but poor for holding, but for paddlingand clubbing, perfect.... and a thick torso... and shorter legs but webbed.... the head woul be semi-reptilian is structure but seal-like on the outside, and the overall look somewhat like a mammal-like amphiuma or a amphibian-like leopard seal...

2006.03.07 03:40

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I think that's a perfect idea. would the facial structure still be similar to the stock troll with the ape-like mouth, huge teeth, and 3 eyes?

god I hope we (the elder scrolls community and/or bethesda) can figure out a wak to export nifs from Oblivion... it would open up so many neat new possibilities of we could do things like export the troll and then just edit him in 3d studio and re-import him as a new troll.

if anything maybe I could at least apply the stock troll's animations to the new troll so they move the same? hm... we'll have to see I guess.

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2006.03.07 11:25

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I will try a concept for the troll, but how do you post pics in a thread?

2006.03.08 14:04

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I think they should look like the ones in WoW.. they have so much class and style.

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Sorry we already have decided on what they will look like

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1. Vashj is that queen naga sea-witch in War3
2. TES trolls are different from warcraft
3. thanks for the input, no offense, but read on what we've done

2006.03.11 23:39

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Ok, heres a link to the ruff concept of a Vvardenfell Troll.

http://photobucket.com/albums/c23/qio/Cr...current=Top.jpg

2006.03.12 19:06

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Ok, heres a link to the ruff concept of a Vvardenfell Troll.

http://photobucket.com/albums/c23/qio/Cr...current=Top.jpg

looks good. keeps the shape and monkeyness

but tone down the rolls of fat (or muscle) on the shoulders. just looks weird

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it really depends... I mean trolls come in all shapes and sizes...
I am thinking of an amphibious one that loves mostly in cool waters....
so if you go amphibian you get something like a Japanese giant salamander or a hellbender...
but if you go mammilian you get a like a biped leopard seal.... I dunno

tahe a look, the grahl is an ice troll... 2 eyed, fat and blubbery with large tusks and claws....
doesn't look like a normal troll.... but it is infact a super-adapted troll nevertheless....

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Yeah. I was just thinking a swimming troll would need to be more streamlined, so loose fat...

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K to everyone this is what a troll should look like.

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2006.03.12 21:40

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Uh... Ebony. We've already decided what a vvardenfell troll looks like about

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warhammer fantasy.... nah
personally I think our brains can come up with something creative.... hey, who says it has to be a three-eyed monkey?
I don't see a three eyed monkey in the Grahl!

2006.03.12 21:45

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Thats true. But I like the idea of keeping it close to the Cyyrodil troll!

I like him he's fuzzy...

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but the Grahl is so..... huggable... look at him! he like somesort of icy fatso...

EDIT:
my point is that the super-adaptbility of the troll race makes them able to assume many different shapes and sizes....
the dungeons and forests of Cyrodiil make a monkey-like troll good for Cyrodiil, the ice and the caves of Solstheim (and Skyrim) make for the Grahl.... the moist but cool waters of Sheogorad.....

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So swamps would make a streamlined, but scaly skin, extra sharp teeth capable of ripping apart the tough skin of nearby animals, and the ability to swim on both land and sea

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So swamps would make a streamlined, but scaly skin, extra sharp teeth capable of ripping apart the tough skin of nearby animals, and the ability to swim on both land and sea

and mostly an alligator like stealth type.... but not swim on land....

but Sheogorad isn't a swamp... it is a cool moist maritime environment... plenty of sea... waterways have good oxygen... blablabla

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D,Oh
I was thinking we were making a troll for the swampy west

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this is the real deal here like come this calls moist, cool sea waters. Why well they can swim fast, run fast, agility is very good, underwater eyes, scales for the water, live in grotto damp moist caves, live with others. A sheogoard troll wouldn't need to have lots of muscles why? Well it reallys on ambush and suprize attacks to catch its prey off guard. Say a adult male goes to fetch water reachs down to fill it up with water then is pulled under and dragged away to the nearest grotto cave. The sheogoard trolls are ment for water not land.

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2006.03.12 22:01

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good points, but we have to remember, the troll is a mammal

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but it can adapt it is almost like germs so survive they change so quick to adapt to their new enviroment they need to change so they can continue to live. Its like puttin a monkey in the middle of the artic and tellin it theres no bannanas any where at all

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2006.03.12 22:05

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mammal, yes, but also we need to remember... this isn't World of Warcraft, inspiration can come from there, but remeber what we are about yo... mammal, but there were prehistoric mammal-reptiles... with attribute sof both

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To quote clint eastwood

'' What we have here is a Mongolian Cluster F**K''

So ku, can you make a complete description of the Sheogorad Troll

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there are two paths we can take....

marine mammal looking... the troll will resemble a marine mammal like a seal or something in the sense that it can swim and go on land as well and retain mammilian features... I was thinking like a leopard seal in some respects....
leopard seal, etc.: 1, 2, 3
amphibious looking..... the troll will be salamander-ish.... that is not saying it is not a mammal, but has adapted to the point where amphibian traits are apparent and the mammilian traits are recedding.... looking like a hellbender
hellbender (giant salamander): 1, 2

I like the hellbender idea myself.... but the leopard seal is so cute, yet so ferocious, and... probably tasty

2006.03.12 22:20

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I'm pointing more towards the seal for sheogarad

Though the hellbender is a good concept if we decide to make a swamp troll too

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3 words:
DUCK. BILLED. PLATYPUS.
Armies of giant evil upright duck-billed platypi!
...okay maybe not. Tongue

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2006.03.13 04:56

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yeah, we can't add TOO many "new" creatures, especially ones with no lore basis Yes

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2006.03.13 04:57

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does vvardenfell really need trolls? I mean really?

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2006.03.13 05:02

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no, but speculation does not hurt
so that in case we do, then we know what to do....
and the idea of it is exactly what we are discussing

2006.03.13 05:12

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It shouldnt be too hard to make a vvardenfell troll. Just a reskin.

Though we may want to finish the original tes3 creatures first

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quote:

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It shouldnt be too hard to make a vvardenfell troll. Just a reskin.

Though we may want to finish the original tes3 creatures first

no one said otherwise Yes

we make TES3 ones first of course

2006.03.13 20:37

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I know

Just stating it so people dont have to read the whole thread (though it seems like more people should)

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RE: vvardenfell trolls' appearance...?

I'm for the whole idea going so far but I think they should have a bit more body fat then the Cyrodill goblins but still pretty thin and I think they should only spend daylight hours in the water and try and spend the night hours on land while the area itself may not be too cold the water would be freazing due to the spesific heat of water (i.e water at the same temprature as the air will feel much colder than the air) I would like them to have a lot of fat but you also have to remember that they are preadetors so would need to be very athletic to catch its food/PC

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2006.03.27 10:50

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RE: vvardenfell trolls' appearance...?

"I'm for the whole idea going so far but I think they should have a bit more body fat then the Cyrodill goblins but still pretty thin and I think they should only spend daylight hours in the water and try and spend the night hours on land while the area itself may not be too cold the water would be freazing due to the spesific heat of water (i.e water at the same temprature as the air will feel much colder than the air) I would like them to have a lot of fat but you also have to remember that they are preadetors so would need to be very athletic to catch its food/PC"

trolls. not goblins.
and have you ever heard of this thing called a period? Tongue

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2006.03.27 17:02

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Here's an image I dug up out of the old D&D archives which is what I picture when I think of an aquatic troll.

Just my 2 pennies....

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2006.03.27 18:29

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As cool as some of the creatures from D&D are, I think we should stray as much as possible from copying their appearance, because whenever Elder Scrolls creatures have shared the same name as a D&D creature, it's usually totally different looking. From what I can tell, Bethesda wants it to be established that trolls on Nirn are very ape-like. I think we should stick to that theme. I actually think the Cyrodiil trolls look like they'd fit in perfectly with the Bitter Coast - Their fur already looks like moss even... but if we are to make a different breed for Vvardenfell I vote just doing a re-skin of the Cyrodiil troll with maybe changed hands & feet to add the webbing, as opposed to completely changing the shape of it's body and/or face.

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As cool as some of the creatures from D&D are, I think we should stray as much as possible from copying their appearance, because whenever Elder Scrolls creatures have shared the same name as a D&D creature, it's usually totally different looking. From what I can tell, Bethesda wants it to be established that trolls on Nirn are very ape-like. I think we should stick to that theme.

Makes sense.

My only concern is with the fur on the trolls. The trolls fur in Cyrodiil looks to be quite thick and I don't see that mixing well with water. I could definitely see a troll with the same body structure, but with a fur more resembling polar bears (a nice fine coat that handles water well).

...and yes, webbed appendages would be cool.

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2006.03.27 18:57

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for now, think of trolls as a possibility but not as a creature definitely in our mod

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We may want to just give the troll a wet look to its fur and thats it. I know its simple but it makes sense.

Moss and all

Oh, and Shunoshi has the same Avatar as me Eek 1

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Oh, and Shunoshi has the same Avatar as me Eek 1

hehe, I noticed that myself. It's taken care of now (I was tired of that one anyhow).

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The cool thing about the Cyrodiil troll is they already are greenish and vine-ey.

If I was mapping a swamp I'd place spawn points in shallow bodies of tinted water, so all you would see would be the tops of their heads above the water's surface, akin to a crocodile.
If you got the height correct it would make an interesting use for the detect life spells.

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If you got the height correct it would make an interesting use for the detect life spells.

which most of the time seem useless
not a bad idea... and even if we don't have trolls, I don't think it is a bad idea

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I've always thought there should be more natural traps out there, since that's what nature is so damn good at. Blended in carnivores that sit on the treetops, trap spiders, creatures hiding in the water that will follow you out of the water, mwahaha.

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I totally agree

or if you stand in a tidal pool for long enough you get swarmed by mudcrabs

otherwise if you just walk through they leave you alone

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Natural traps VERY GOOD IDEA

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I was also thinking it would be possible to retexture the existing trap triggering ropes used in bandit caves for their log traps and such. It could easily be scaled up and colored green, then used as a vine to either slow the PC's movement or give them a sense of being in an unexplored area.

Not sure how it could work yet, but creating some good machete-on-jungle action to hack your way to an undiscovered ruin would be easy and pretty cool imo, there's so many options, can't wait till next week when I start ordering hardware.

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ok I skipped ahead and missed a bunch of stuff so I'm going to put a couple new textures on the troll tonight and see how it looks. If its not bad ill post them for yall

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hmm... I say we skip the troll for now as it is a low priority thing Yes

but if we ever feel the need, I think a simpel retexture would do...

2006.07.17 01:01

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By the way... what about having ash trolls? We could retexture the base trolls to have tough dark gray skin instead of fur, like an elephant or rhino's skin, and give them glowing red eyes... what do you think?

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2006.08.21 17:50

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quote:

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By the way... what about having ash trolls? We could retexture the base trolls to have tough dark gray skin instead of fur, like an elephant or rhino's skin, and give them glowing red eyes... what do you think?

She Skyrim team has a similar troll to what you're describing, just with yellow eyes.

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hmm... I dunno if we will still go for the troll idea, but instead of a troll, maybe some sort of related creature... there are many breeds of trollish beasts, maybe ONE survives somewhere on Vvardenfell... who knows... I dunno

2007.04.25 04:45

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Those scalon creatures give a good idea or base idea of which we can build off of. Like Deep Dwellers or People of the Water not civilized at all just stay together to hunt and breed.

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2007.04.25 18:46

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quote:

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Those scalon creatures give a good idea or base idea of which we can build off of. Like Deep Dwellers or People of the Water not civilized at all just stay together to hunt and breed.

I never played Shivering isles... could you kindly provide a few pictures?

2007.04.25 20:52

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I never played Shivering isles... could you kindly provide a few pictures?

Kul you need to get it! It rocks! You would love it! Good job!

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