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Gyssar
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?The Kingdom of Daggerfall ? The Kingdom of Daggerfall is arguably the most powerful kingdom in High Rock at this time. It is a major rival of Wayrest in the Iliac Bay region, though its capital does not lie on the bay itself (indeed, it is a running joke in Wayrest that Daggerfall?s placement was due to its founders, Nords, being too stupid to know the significance of the Bay). Until the recent marriage of Prince Camaron to the princess of Camlorn, Daggerfall was essentially alone in the Iliac Bay region, though it is not at odds with the Kingdom of Sentinel to the south, in Hammerfell. It is ruled by the aging King Gothryd and Queen Aubk-i.

The political structure of Daggerfall consists of three primary branches:

The council of Nobles consists of 15 Landlords with titles, 8 of which are the richest landlords in the land and the other 7 are personally appointed by the king. The council of Nobles does not hold any evident political power; it acts as equilibrium between the other 2 councils and as an intermediary between them and the King.

The City council acts as the main legislative branch of the Daggerfall state, it consists of:
1. The City Mayor
2. The City High Dockmaster
3. The Daggerfall Army Captain Commander
4. The Commander of the City Watch
5. The Head Librarian
6. The Alchemy and Science Curator
7. The High Priest
8. The Court Wizard
9. The City Judge
10. The Head of the local Fighter?s guild
11. The Head of the local Mage?s guild
12. The Grand Chancellor
13. The Head of the Fire House
Each of the abovementioned may choose one more representative from the city, who is a citizen, is not in poverty and does not deal in any dubious trades. The king also has the right to appoint the ?Chair of the City Council?. The ?Chair of the City Council? may choose 2 more representatives. Each of the Lords from the Nobility council may also choose a representative in the City Council, totaling out the amount of representatives at 43.

The Community council is the secondary legislative branch of Daggerfall, which consists of two representatives from every village community and three from every town community in the land. Licensed merchants and crafters, who pay an annual Community Fee, may also take part in the proceedings. The Community council holds no representatives of the King, the city, or the nobles. The amount of representatives in the Community council may vary.
When the City and Community councils vote on something and reach a decision, the Nobility council has to approve that decision by a majority of votes, and then the King has to sign the documents for the decision to take effect. The King has right of veto over any decision approved by the Nobility council, but the Nobility council can ignore the veto by reaching a unanimous decision to do so. If a decision in the Community council receives an equal amount of for and against, the King has the right to choose either way. If any decisions conflict with each other between the City and Community councils, the Nobility council has the right to decide which decision is to be voted on. If a decision is declined one way or another, it is not to be brought up for another three months, unless the King says otherwise. Council meetings are held once every two weeks or when the majority of members decide to hold a meeting. The king has the right to deny a council member his status for as much as three sessions in a row.

It has to be pointed out that the political structure of Daggerfall is organized in a way that although the Councils make all decisions, the King has an intricately woven system of leverage granting him complete control over the Council of Nobles, which in turn gives him power over the City and Community councils. Basically the King still is in complete control over his lands and the councils mostly act as shields against public criticism.

b) Land structure:
The city of Daggerfall and its outlying countryside fall under the jurisdiction of the city authorities. All peasants and production within that area officially belong to the city and the king personally. All peasants and production pay a monthly tribute of 1/3 of their production (merchants pay half of their monthly takings) value during that month. Peasants in poverty are released from the responsibility to pay tribute.

Most of the land of Daggerfall is divided into several fiefs among the most influential Noble families of Daggerfall. Each family owns a certain amount of farmlands and peasants and a manor house squarely in the middle of their farmlands. Some of the wealthiest families own forts instead of manor houses and have attracted small towns to be build around their walls, these towns pay tribute to their lords. The families have right to collect tribute from their farmlands of up to 50% of the production values in money, grain, vegetables or meat. Titles and farmlands are given to the families by the king in return for military, political and economical support from the nobles.
Larger towns and small cities within the borders of Daggerfall do not yield to any lord and are ruled by Chancellors appointed by the King and approved by a majority in the Council of Nobles. These towns and cities usually have their own city guard and small standing military garrison. Each town owns a small amount of farmlands to be able to feed itself and no more than that. The towns pay yearly tribute into Daggerfall?s treasury.

c) The Military
The Daggerfall military consists of three major forces: the standing army, the Knights of the Dragon, and the House of Daggers (working title).

The standing army is the major military force of Daggerfall and is complemented from the population of the city-state of Daggerfall itself and recruits from the population under the Landlords. Service in the army is obligatory and cannot be avoided. During recruitment a maximum of five men can be chosen by the Lord or his men from every 12 households in a village, and a recruiter (an unpopular, but well-paying job) works in cities and towns to choose the men. Recruitment usually takes place every 3 or 4 years and whenever there is a shortage in the army. Men 20 to 30 years of age are picked out and sent to the city Daggerfall itself for training in boot camp. After boot camp, the grunts are commissioned to different towns and cities in Daggerfall where they receive further training to become professional soldiers. Sometimes the more able of soldiers are requisitioned by the Knights of the Dragon as foot soldiers and fortress guards. Some soldiers, noted for their natural leadership skills, are sent to the Daggerfall military academy to become officers. Volunteers are common in Daggerfall since service in the army is a well-paying job with perspective. Service in the army is a lifetime job with month-long home leaves every year. After 7 years of service the soldier can choose a garrison with troop deficiency to be re-stationed at throughout the land.

The Daggerfall army Captain Commander is the highest commanding rank in the army.

d) The Factions

Daggerfall University

Shipwright guild

The Knights of the Dragon:

Description: the order of the Knights of the Dragon is the oldest and most traditional order in the province of High Rock. They are sworn to protect King Gothryd and to follow his every command, and they will protect Daggerfall?s territory with their lives. The Knights of the Dragon adhere to a strict code of honor and tradition, reflecting the nature of the kingdom itself. It upholds traditions with almost as much righteous zeal and unwavering conviction as they display during battle. Only the most worthy of knighted nobles are awarded the Knights of the Dragon order crest and are given a full knight position in the order. Any illegal, dubious or disgraceful behavior is not acceptable in a member of the Order to the point of a death warrant being issued to the other knights of the order (for murder or treason). Any other illegal activity (including theft, assault and brawls) means immediate and permanent suspension from the order.

Structure: the order consists of the ?Magistrate?, the ?Assembly of Knights? and the ?Hall of Soldiers?

Magistrate: Consists of the Knight Dragon Grand Master and four Knight Commanders of the Dragon. This body makes all the decisions in the Order. The Grand Master position is a lifetime one and cannot be resigned or passed on while the current bearer of the title lives. The Knight Commanders are the top-most field commanders in the order, they issue orders to other Knights and command the forces during large-scale operations.

Ranks:
Aspirant, Squire, Gallant, Chevalier, Keeper, Champion, Knight Errant, Knight Bachelor, Knight Protector, Knight Lord of the Dragon

Pros:
Access to some of the best equipment in the province (with a unique suit at the top of the rank ladder), high payment and a position in the Order magistrate at the end.

Cons:
Are hard to join and need the most faction standing to go from rank to rank, very little freedom and possibly even time limits on most faction quests (but that last one is improbable). Difficult to take part in illegal activities, you get expelled immediately and permanently if you do anything worse than theft.

More to come as it is written, I'm open to suggestions and criticism.

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This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Gyssar: 2006.10.09 21:17.

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Nice k I'm jealous I'm making something big and nice for Northpoint like you and Braggi didTongue

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And me?

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Yes you and Evermore too

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Gyssar, are you OK for the Heraldry of Daggerfall? If not, I can try and dig it up for you.

(This goes to the rest of the team too.)

Let me know.

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I don't quite recall any of the heraldy for Df, it would be great if you could dig it up for me.

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Here's a screen shot of the throne room heraldry from TES 2. (Please pardon the angle, I had to tilt to get it all on the screen.)

As an aside, I beleive that's King Gothryd and Queen Aubk-i by the thrones.

The only problem I see here is getting a dragon in the exact same posture as this one. The fleur-de-lis and so forth sould be fairly easy to locate.

Braggi has attached this image (reduced version):
Daggerfall in-game.png



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OK Gyssar, I have come up with a re-do of the banner seen in-game, as well as with a concept image of what it might look like on a shield.

The shield is strictly to get an idea of what things might look like and has no background colours or symbols, since the heraldry for Daggerfall is reasonably complex to begin with.

Look these over and let me know what you think of them.

Braggi has attached these images (downsized versions):
Daggerfal02sm.jpg DFshldsm.jpg



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Yes, I like that, but if the team won't mind, I'll be shifting things around a bit to make it a bit more complex.

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Hope its useful. It's concept art, so please do whatever works best with it.

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Can I claim Mayorship of the town/kingdom?

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I think I speak for the team when I say, not to be rude, but hell no you an't just claim daggerfall.

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To be more tactful than DA, for once. Tongue Thus far, only core members have been permitted to claim kingdoms/cities. Gyssar already has Daggerfall, DA has Evermore, Braggi has Jehanna, Ku has Orsinium, and I have Wayrest.

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DA, could you keep it a BIT more civil and just explain that Daggerfall is already largely being developed by me next time somebody asks?

Sorry IAMTHEEMPEROR, but it's already under way, so I don't think we're gonna switch ownerships in the middle of development.

But you're welcome to donate on this city-state and all your ideas will be considered, otherwise you can help out with the development of the other claimed city-states, if the corresponding core members aggree (for the list of claimed states go here)

You must be a core member to be able to lay claim to a city-state, to find out how to do that go here.

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Hey, I forgot that you already had it, it just seemed extremely idiotic to me at the time to ask if you could have something that important out of the blue.

Sorry everyone.

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oops, nevermind. I'm sorry, didn't mean to be a N00B again.....I hate these moments.

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It was my fault, its cool.

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