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Braggi
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(City Council » Other Quests) Artifact Co-Ordination

Is there a thread anywhere on Silgrad that mentions which artifacts (beyond those used in Oblivion proper) have been included already and in which provinces?

If so, I'd like to take a look at it, to see what is possible for artifact quest possibilities. It might be nice to add one or two to High Rock, so long as they don't interfere with anything else being done by Silgrad itself or the other Beyond Cyrodiil groups.

If no such thread exists, then I'd like to get a running tally going to help everyone out. We could collect all artifact used from each game - TES1-4, Battlespire and Redgard. New artifacts could be considered, along with re-workings of any old ones that aren't in Oblivion.

Any help here would be appreciated.

Thanks!

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2006.10.07 06:33

Durdain
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Eildon's Ward! (sp?) - I remember getting hold of this is Morrowind and have since read 'Tamrielic Lore' which suggests Eildon was a Breton Knight I think.

EDIT: Found it on TIL.

quote:

From Tamrielic Lore

Eleidon's Ward

Eleidon was a holy knight of legend in Breton history. He was a sought after man for his courage and determination to set all wrongs right. In one story, it is said that he rescued a Baron's daughter from sure death at the hands of an evil warlord. For his reward, the Baron spent all of his riches to have an enchanted shield built for Eidelon. The Shield granted Eleidon the opportunity to heal his wounds.

I for one would love to see this in his burial place or something

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2006.10.07 14:42

Hrafnkel
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I don't believe we have a record of who's using what. We should make one though, so that we can all have a few artifacts.

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2006.10.07 17:52

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DarkAsmodeous
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Elsweyr has the ring of the khajiit and possibly ebony mail.

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2006.10.07 17:56

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Ring of Khajiit was in vanilla, wasn't it? Confused

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2006.10.07 17:57

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Yes it is, but we will find a lore way around, hell, we may even let the player still get it in cyrodiil, but it has story purpose in elsweyr.

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2006.10.07 18:04

Durdain
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The thing is artifacts which are tied to deadric princes manifest themselves all over Tamriel dont they? Thats not to say that there would be two instances of the same artifact but that items 'find' their way to new owners, often by way of other worldy meddling.

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2006.10.07 18:06

Braggi
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Here's what I'm going to do. I'll get a list together of all of the artifacts from TES1-4 and post it here. I don't have Battlespire or Redgard, so I'll have to rely on others for that input, assuming I can't find any info online. Once the list is completed, I'll start a section on Lore for the items and a tally on which ST and BD groups are using what.

I'll have the list for my next post in this thread. Anything you have to offer in the way of help, corrections or usage will be very welcome. Thanks for the comments so far!

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2006.10.07 21:34

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OK folks, here it is... my first draft of the Tamriel artifacts list. Once we get this finalized, then we can start tracking who is using what and in which province(s).

A couple of notes to keep in mind:

a) I left out a *ton* of minor artifacts from MW, Tr and BM. I tried to stay away from too many Vvardenfell- and Solstheim-specific items, in favour of items with a cross-Tamriel appeal or those likely to be known through Lore and legend across the continent. (This just means the Dark Elves and Nords have a bumper crop of home-grown magical items/artifacts to play with... lucky folks!

)

b) If you think a missing artifact should go into the list, mention it! Giving the item's usefulness/reason for being known to the world as a whole would probably be a good idea too, so the modders can have an idea of how these things came to end up at wherever they eventually get located. This includes any items ewarlier in the thread... please list what game you found it in, along with any Lore you encountered about, just as did Durdain for Eleidon's Ward.

c) I am not perfect. If I missed a listing for an well-known artifact that appeared in more then one game, list it, please.

d) At present, I have no artifacts listed from Regard or Battlespire. Contributions here are definitely welcomed.

e) Once we get a good collection of additions, I'll update the list here in the thread.

Combined Artifacts List

Games Key:

1 = Arena
2 = Daggefall
3 = Morrowind
3a = Trbunal
3b = Bloodmoon
4 = Oblivion
5 = Battlespire
6 = Redgard

A
Akatosh's Ring: 3
Auriel?s Bow: 1, 2, 3
Auriel?s Shield: 1, 2, 3
Azura's Star: 2, 3, 4

B
Bitter Cup: 3
Bluebrand or Eltonbrand: 3
Bloodworm Helm: 3
Blood Ring: 3

C
Chrysamere: 1, 2, 3
Cuirass of the Savior's Hide: 3, 4

D
Daedric Crescent: 3
Denstagmer's Ring: 3

E
Ebony Blade: 1, 2, 4
Ebony Mail: 1, 2, 3
Ebony Spear: 3

F
Fists of Randagulf: 3
Fury: 3

G
Goblin Buckler: 3a
Goldbrand: 3, 4

H
Hair Shirt of Saint Aralor: 3
Heart Ring: 3
Helm of Oreyn Bearclaw: 3
Helseth's Collar: 3a
Hircine's Ring: 2, 3
Hopesfire: 3a

K
Keening: 3
King Orghum?s Coffer: 1

L
Lord?s Mail: 1, 2, 3

M
Mace of Molag Bal: 2, 3, 4
Masque of Clavicus Vile: 2, 3, 4
Mehrune's Razor: 2, 3
Mentor's Ring: 3
Moon-and-Star: 3

N
Namira's Ring: 2, 4
Necromancer?s Amulet: 1, 2, 3

O
Oghma Infinium: 1, 2, 4

R
Ring of Azura: 3
Ring of Dahrk Mezalf: 3
Ring of Khajiit: 1, 2, 3, 4
Ring of Phynaster: 1, 3
Robe of the Lich: 3a
Royal Signet Ring: 3a

S
Sanguine Rose: 2, 4
Scourge: 3
Skeleton Key: 1, 2, 3, 4
Skull Crusher: 3
Skull of Corruption: 2, 4
Soul Ring: 3
Spear of Bitter Mercy: 3
Spell Breaker: 1, 2, 3, 4
Staff of Magnus: 1, 2, 3
Stendarr's Hammer: 3a
Sunder: 3

T
Temreki, Shackler of Souls: 3

U
Umbra Sword: 3, 4

V
Veloth's Judgement: 3
Volendrung: 1, 2, 4

W
Wabbajack: 2, 4
Warlock?s Ring: 1, 2, 3
Wraithguard: 3

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2006.10.07 23:05

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You made numbers for Redguard/Battlespire but it doesn't look like you marked any artifacts with either number. Tongue

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2006.10.08 00:54

Braggi
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Yup, that's right Hraf.
Good job!

I don't own and haven't played the games, so I have no idea if there are any artifacts in them for consideration. I haven't founnd anything online yet, either. that's why I need the help to get the list fleshed out.

I need lots of help here, no question.

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2006.10.08 01:05

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Spear of Bitter Mercy and Cuirass of the Savior's Hide are both in Battlespire. So was the Deadric Broadsword of the Moon Riever.

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2006.10.08 01:11

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Perfect Hraf! Thank you!

I'm adding those to the master list now, for future update.

- Edit -

While I'm at it, let me add a correction has been entered for Umbra being in game 4 (OB). Don't know how I missed that one.

Doh!

Bash

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2006.10.08 01:26

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That said, the DBotMR won't really work well outside of Battlespire's setting, I don't believe.

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2006.10.08 01:41

Braggi
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What is the nature of the artifact? And why would it be restricted or unsuitable outside the Spire?

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2006.10.08 01:47

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It's Dagon's neonymic, or however that's spelled. It was used solely to be able to banish Dagon, from what I recall.

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2006.10.08 01:53

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Ah, OK. Then that would have been destroyed with the Spire, correct? I'll drop it from the list for now, unless someone can provide me with a good reason not to.

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2006.10.08 02:06

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I dunno if it was destroyed, but I can't imagine it making its way back to Nirn after all that so quickly... Though the Savior's Hide did.

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2006.10.08 02:11

Braggi
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Perhaps I should create a section for artifacts whose whereabouts are unknown at the moment? This could apply to a few items, actually. King Orghum's Coffer is another one that was only used in one game, (TES 1).

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2006.10.08 02:18

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I believe we were planning on using the coffer in our MQ.

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2006.10.08 02:32

Hrafnkel
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I was going to say that, but I couldn't remember if we'd decided. Tongue

I thought I was the only one who liked that idea.

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2006.10.08 02:35

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You still are... Pleased

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2006.10.08 02:41

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quote:

Originally posted by Gyssar
You still are... Pleased

>.> Well I didn't see any of YOU guys offering better artifacts!

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2006.10.08 03:21

Braggi
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Actually, what about the artifact Durdain came up wiht? According to the Imperial Library:

Elieidon's Ward:

Eleidon was a holy knight of legend in Breton history. He was a sought after man for his courage and determination to set all wrongs right. In one story, it is said that he rescued a Baron's daughter from sure death at the hands of an evil warlord. For his reward, the Baron spent all of his riches to have an enchanted shield built for Eleidon. The Shield granted Eleidon the opportunity to heal his wounds.

By the screenshot of the artifact at the library, it's either adamantium or seriously enchanted steel.

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2006.10.10 04:25

The Old Ye Bard
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The ice Blade of the Monarch is being used by Skyrim, so keep your hands away from it Wink

Also other things that are very pro-Skyrim like Hircine's ring are Skyrims.

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2006.10.10 04:52

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Braggi
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That is very helpful to know, thank you!

Uh, I'm not totally up on Skyrim lore. If you would feel comfortable sharing which items, then I could add them to the list earmarked as "in Skyrim". Either post or P.M. would be very helpful. As it is, the two you mentioned will be noted.

Much appreciated.

- Edit -

I just added those two with the notation to the list. I'll be posting the update once I have more to add in.

Thanks again and please feel free to add stuff, either those I have missed putting in the list (such as the Ice Blade, and Eleidon's Ward, as two examples) or proposed artifacts for mod use.

Thanks again.

Good job!

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2006.10.10 06:44

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The mantle of woe is ours.

Hircine's ring is ours.

Ice Blade of the Monarch is ours.

Any artifacts with the word or a synonym of the word Ice in their name is ours.

Anything oringinating in Skyrim(That does not mean what game they featured in, it means where they came from).

Anything belonging to a Skyrim Clan, or person belonging to a clan of Skyrim.

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2006.10.10 07:30

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Seems the nords are being particularly greedy with the artifacts. Wink

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2006.10.10 14:48

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quote:

Originally posted by Hrafnkel
Seems the nords are being particularly greedy with the artifacts. Wink

Gotta collect them all!

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2006.10.10 14:53

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Well leave some for the rest of us!

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2006.10.10 15:55

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You can't just claim shit that hasn't even been brought up that would be like me saying there is money under your shoe but I claimed it.

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2006.10.11 00:56

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TOYB. No.

In fact, pull something like that again, and elsweyr may just find itself a new monarch.

Please be civil.

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2006.10.11 00:57

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You talking to me or Ye Olde Bard

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2006.10.11 01:24

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The last part to both of you.

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2006.10.11 01:25

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quote:

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The last part to both of you.

Yeah, you tell 'em DA!

Wait... why am I here? Confused

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2006.10.11 04:14

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I think I was justifyed in saying most of what I did(except prehaps me saying anything with the word"ice" in it).

But really if it belongs to Skyrim in some way in some way we are entitled to it, like I wouldn't go around saying that sunder and keening belonged to valenwood Wink

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2006.10.11 04:20

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Well there are a lot of conflicts with western skyrim and eastern skryim lots of raiding so I say took your chieftans axe and now its in my trophy room but you stole my sheep and so on if you get it

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2006.10.11 04:22

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For the time being it's easier for them to belong to Skyrim, but if you really want something we could "swap" artifacts which belong to our respective provinces.

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2006.10.11 04:25

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quote:

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but you stole my sheep and so on if you get it

Why would the chieftain need a sheep? Sure... I'll shut up.

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2006.10.11 04:28

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quote:

Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
I think I was justifyed in saying most of what I did(except prehaps me saying anything with the word"ice" in it).

But really if it belongs to Skyrim in some way in some way we are entitled to it, like I wouldn't go around saying that sunder and keening belonged to valenwood Wink

So are you going to tell Beth they weren't allowed to put the Ice Blade of the Monarch on Vvardenfell?

Honestly, with as many projects as there are, it isn't at all fair to go around claiming all the artifacts just because they're in some way tied to Skyrim. The nature of TES artifacts is that they move around, a lot.

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2006.10.11 04:36

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So are you going to tell Beth they weren't allowed to put the Ice Blade of the Monarch on Vvardenfell?

The Ice Blade of the Monarch was on Solstheim.

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2006.10.11 05:17

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I beg to differ. It was in Rotheran (could be wrong on the name, but it's whatever Stronghold was on the same island as Dagon Fel). I'm certain that it was not on Solstheim, and you can check me on that.

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2006.10.11 06:06

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The Ice blade of the monarch was NOT on Solstheim, but it does not matter as we had claimed the artifact months ago, and already have the quest working ingame, the new model and texture included.

Also we are only claiming ones VERY specific to Skyrim like Hircine's ring and other things like Cloudcleaver(even though it first appeared in TES:III it belonged to a nord who said it was passed from father to son, which leads me to belive it would belong to that clan and therefore is a Skyrim artifact).

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2006.10.11 07:14

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The question that still remains is how liberal you're going to be with what 'clearly' belongs in Skyrim... Which appears to be very liberal.

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2006.10.11 14:49

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Though I am nervous about stepping in where angels fear to tread, I did get this thread started. My intention was to avoid this kind of argument with the artifact list. Looks like it didn't work. Well, fish or cut bait, I guess.

Let's face it folks, - by working on mods we are acting as game designers. Not sort-of kind-of about it, we are designing games. Period. A couple points that I know game designers ponder:

1. Variety makes things interesting.

Q: Why are circuses fun?
A: Because there is a lot going on at them.

This is the same reason computer games grab people ? there?s a lot going on. If that ?a lot? is all the same thing, it will get boring fast. TES is fun because it different. It has flavour and uniqueness. Depth. Those things only come with variety. The more different, interesting things and situations you have, the more people you appeal to.

2. Too much sameness can be a downfall.

Think of every game out there you?ve played and why you disliked it. Odds are good, part of the reason (not all, but part) is due to it being too similar to something you?ve played before.

Sameness can also be a strategic downfall. If I design a fiery place and all my items are fire-based, a player with strong resist fire abilities is going to stomp all over my monsters and dungeons. The same applies to any in-game force ? magicka, shock, drain attribute, frost. A good game has counter balances and changes of pace built in, so the player doesn?t get bored and simply walk away and then toss the game into the trash. That leads to my last point?

3. Modern game players bore easily.

Modern gamers are sophisticated. They?ve seen and done a lot, both online and off. WE are modern gamers. Every one of us has seen and done things on our computers unthinkable twenty years ago. Even with all that wonder, we have learned so much, so fast that we have seen it all.

And that?s the danger.

Too much on the same theme and the game is just another look-alike wannabe. TES has avoided this for the most part and that?s why we love it

Having a theme is great. No place would be interesting in game without one. Each of us has an interest in one of the TES themes, or we?d never have volunteered for the BC mods we?ve chosen. It is tempting to fall into the theme trap here though?

I am speaking from experience here and not just talking through my hat BTW. As someone who owns over 200 computer games and has played perhaps twice that in the last eleven years, I?ve seen how some games can work and other can flop. Many of the flops were too similar ? boring.

Now, what was all of the above about? Simple:

I think we?ll all succeed better in what we do if we share. Look at each TES game you?ve played. Did they have only items or weapons themed to the province they set in?

Heck no!

That means the designers knew what we?re still learning? the three points I mentioned above. If we want to match their ability, and there?s no doubt in my mind we can? this is a talented group we have here, on every single mod, then we need to learn and remember what they knew from the get-go:

Share.

Work together.

Avoid getting trapped in a theme.

Mix things up a bit and make them interesting.

Isn?t that why each of us play TES?

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2006.10.11 20:59

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In order to use artifacts well and maintane continuity, sharrin won't exactly work.

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2006.10.11 21:37

Braggi
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Registration Date: 2006.09.23
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DA, I agree that we need to keep the theme strong and that each province should have its signature items... a lot of them, in fact.

My reaction was to the post listing every Skyrim-themed artifact on Tamriel. (I felt a bit foolish offering to help co-ordinate only to see things staring to turn into a "gimme" contest.) Since I unwittingly started the mess by offering to co-ordinate, I figured I should at least chime in to let folks know where I was at with it.

I want to help everyone. Our team comes first, because that's what I volunteered for, but the others as well. We've got most of Tamriel under development here... I'd really like to play all the mods that get completed.

So, I was simply stating we need to figure out how to add a little diversity for everyone's benefit.

Why not have an artifact sharing brainstorm or some such, as was mentioned earlier? That would benefit everyone, methinks.

Thoughts?

(Off Topic:

Did you get the latest version the Heraldry for Evermore? If so, any changes needed? Please let me know, I want to make sure it suits.)

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2006.10.11 21:51

Hrafnkel
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Here's a list that HR would like to claim, or at least express interest in.

Bittercup
Bow of Shadows
Chrysamere
Eleidon's Ward
Lord's Mail
King Orgnum's Coffer
Ring of Phynaster
Skull Crusher
Staff of Magnus and/or Staff of Hasedoki

I'm sure someone will fight us for Lord's Mail and Chrysamere, and I'm almost certain Skyrim will fight us for Skull Crusher, but that's the list. Wink

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2006.10.12 02:06

Ebonyknight
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I'm using Lords Mail and Chrysmere in Imperial Guard Guild

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2006.10.12 03:19

Hrafnkel
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Vvardenfell already have an absolute ton of artifacts available... That and both those were used in the Imperial Legion in MW, why recycle them for the same basic purpose?

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2006.10.12 03:23

Ebonyknight
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Because I have a plot for them

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2006.10.12 03:34

Gyssar
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Hey EK, have you actually ASKED anyone before claiming stake to one of those two artifacts? Do you really beleive the people around here would like to see those two pointlessly re-used just in the same way the were in MW?

I don't know about the others, but I know I wouldn't.

I'm not telling you to give up on both, but at least let up on one of them, having so little lore artifacts to share among so many projects doesn't allow for one single faction to have TWO of them.

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2006.10.12 03:35

Hrafnkel
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Because I have a plot for them

Give me a more compelling reason than that. We have too many projects here to just toss two or three artifacts into a single questline. Both of those items would work very well in High Rock, and not many do. Could you at least consider giving us ONE instead of just coming in with your smug little "I'm using both" remark?

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2006.10.12 03:36

Gyssar
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Besides, you can create your own artifacts to use in questlines, and they won't look any worse if you give a thought out background, Vvardenfell already has MORE than enough recognisealbe artifacts to toss around without hogging anything other teams could use.

I knew there would be a battle over these two...

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2006.10.12 03:39

Ebonyknight
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Ill give them up but I want my opinions on how you can retrieve these arftifacts.

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2006.10.12 03:41

Hrafnkel
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Uh... What..? your opinions?

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2006.10.12 03:43

Ebonyknight
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You dont understand?

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2006.10.12 03:44

Hrafnkel
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That would be the general message I was trying to convey, yes. I don't understand what you're saying there.

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2006.10.12 03:45

Gyssar
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You want us to hear out the questlines you've plotted out for the two, if yes, then go ahead, we'll hear you out.

But I don't want them to be involved with the Imp. Legion though...

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2006.10.12 03:47

Ebonyknight
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I said I will give the 2 artifacts to Highrock as long as I can help plot the quest to get the 2

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2006.10.12 03:49

KuKulzA
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I believe this issue has been resolved....
High Rock has Lord Mail... Vvardenfell can keep Chrysamere

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2006.10.12 04:48

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DarkAsmodeous
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No ku, I didn't see that happen at all.

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2006.10.12 14:40

Hrafnkel
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Actually, it did, unfortunately for the KotR.

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2006.10.12 14:48

DarkAsmodeous
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Damn.

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2006.10.12 14:49

Gyssar
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I'm not sure I get you DA, are you worried about HR not getting Chrysamere, or Vvardenfell not getting the Lord's mail?? Confused

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2006.10.12 16:31

DarkAsmodeous
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Nah, I'm just throwing a little fit over being left out of the decision process, I'll get over it.

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2006.10.12 16:50

Gyssar
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Oh, yeah, sorry 'bout that, you weren't online at the time and the issue needed to be resolved quickly, otherwise it could have gotten out of hand.

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2006.10.12 19:50

Durdain
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I think High Rock, in particular the different counties/kingdoms should have quite a few of their own unique artifacts.

With them being very individualistic and regal I imagine heirlooms as being very important artifacts in courts and amongst the nobility of High Rock. If High Rock is struggling to claim any of the wider known bits and bobs of Tamriel perhaps this is a fitting replacement. I.e Ancient swords, tunics and armour etc being passed on through royal families perhaps even being awarded to the player on occasion.

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2006.10.13 00:09

Braggi
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Durdain, I couldn't agree more. And thank you very much for the suggestion of the Ward, earlier on in the thread.

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2006.10.13 00:43

WhiteWizard
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Just to point this out, the Bloodworm helm is also in Oblivion, in the mages guild questline.

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2006.11.05 20:00

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Alasdair
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The Fists of Randagulf were originally from Skyrim, it would be nice to see them return Wink

2006.11.05 20:24

Psychotic
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The Fists of Randagulf were originally from Skyrim, it would be nice to see them return Wink

I think we claimed those a while back when this guy offered the BC community his work (re-textures) on several artifacts.

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2006.11.05 23:30

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