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Tabber42
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Registration Date: 2008.06.22
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Concept Art - Queen Elysana's Dress

Okay, so far, this is what I have for Queen Elysana's Dress.

The bottom text is kind of cut off. The colors I have thought for it are: Sky Blue, White, and Royal Blue. Although I am leaning towards Royal Blue

*Any Texture Artists, if you feel like doing this please PM me.
** This would be a retext of the Shivering Isle Expansion: Dementia Dress

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This post has been edited 3 time(s), it was last edited by Braggi: 2008.09.28 21:37.

2008.08.21 01:08

Lady Nerevar
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Registration Date: 2006.01.04
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I like the design and I think I have some fabric textures that would go well with it. the dress model has some kind of friffles on the sides, do you want me to make those something (lace would look nice I think) or just get rid of them? I think it would look great in the suggested shades plus some gold.

2008.08.21 21:00

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Tabber42
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Registration Date: 2008.06.22
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Sure, that'd be cool to see, although in my plan I had thought to get rid of them. How hard would it be to change if it was decided no after?

2008.08.21 21:08

Lady Nerevar
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not very hard at all, they are a separate NiTriStrip so removing them would take a single click in nifskope. alternatively I could slap some alpha maps on them to create the chain effect of the concept. would you mind if I redraw your concept based on what is possible with the mesh?

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2008.08.21 21:11

Tabber42
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Never! It must be done to the exact standards I have put it (I'm kidding Tongue

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No, I have no problems, although I would be interested in seeing what the redraws would be

2008.08.21 21:21

Lady Nerevar
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Alright, I did a couple simulations. if I remove the lace I am left with a layered effect, which imho is pretty cool. the darker blue bodice is modeled higher then the rest of the clothing so has to be textured as if its on top of the dress, the sleeves I did darker just to balance out the bodice. the colors aren't color suggestions, I just picked some blues off the chart to tell the different pieces apart.

2008.08.21 22:28

Senten
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Great start LadyN.

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2008.08.21 22:36

Tabber42
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Oooh, nice! I really like it

Just a few questions though; would it be possible to raise the neckline into a sort of collar? or would that need the use of someone who can do the meshes and such like that?

2008.08.21 22:37

Braggi
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Registration Date: 2006.09.23
Posts: 287
Location: B.C. Canada

Very nice work... and quite a fast realization from paper concept to electronic concept too.

Well done!

Good job!

(Methinks we need to get the claims system finalized pronto if this is the quality of work we are seeing.)

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2008.08.21 22:39

Lady Nerevar
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quote:

Originally posted by Tabber42
Oooh, nice! I really like it

Just a few questions though; would it be possible to raise the neckline into a sort of collar? or would that need the use of someone who can do the meshes and such like that?

that would require a mesher, yes. luckily I do that too, haha. there are two ways I can think of doing it:

1) raise the polygons of the dress. this is quite hard to do without having the texture stretch and look like balls. it is also beyond my knowledge of blender (i model in maya, but maya can not export rigged/animated meshes)
2) build a separate part of the dress and put it in the amulet slot. I think I have a higher chance of making this look good then the above.

if someone other then me volunteers to do the collar raising option 1 is better. in the meantime ill mes with option 2 and see if I can make it work.

PS. braggi, I added you to my aim. Tabber, I added you to my msn.

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2008.08.21 22:47

Braggi
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Sadly my AIM account is defunct, since I can't get that particular messenger and indeed most others to act stable on my computer. (I suspect both my firewall and my ISP's filters object to them.)

The core team uses Skype because of its stability and its free voice ability, computer to computer - makes communication MUCH fast and you can have multiple people in conversation at the same time. (I believe it is up to 32, although I suspect that would push things pretty hard.)

Even without the voice ability, Skype is the only text based I M that I can get to run reliably on my connection. So, if you have and use that client, let myself, Gyssar or Tabber know and we can pass around Skype contacts, if you so desire.

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2008.08.21 23:01

Tabber42
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Kay, I will chat w/ you later. And yes, Skype would be a very good way to go too if you have it / allowed to have it.

Took a bit of arm twisting for me, but hehe its very useful. Although yes, Skypes main fall is that it can only have 32 people, I mean, jeeze, how can we have the whole Silgrad forum for our coffee chat w/ only 32?

2008.08.22 13:14

Lady Nerevar
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I should have skype lying around somewhere in the depths of my computer

2008.08.22 16:04

Tabber42
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Okay cool

Just an update on the dress; The chain goes all the way down, and the diamond things on the bottom go around the entire dress. I realized how I didn't actually specify / show any of this, but the light pencil lines were part of the chain and such. Here is the finished picture (albeit slightly rushed) and hope I didn't just mess you up.

Also, if it is possible, would you be able to chop that ruffle part in half? like, I like the arm ruffles, but the bottom ruffles would distract from the chain design (if that is do able). I am unable to link the pic that I mean, but like, the top half of the second dress, with the bottom half of the first (if that makes sense)

Thanks, and sorry again for causing some confusion (I'm a trouble maker at heart apparently Tongue

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2008.08.23 00:00

Lady Nerevar
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yep, its possible to keep the lace on the sleeves but get rid of it on the hem. however, I'm not sure how it would do the chains: as you can see the skirt is not strait but ruffled.

btw, I just checked, I dont have skype

2008.08.24 04:33

Tabber42
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Oooh, right, okay. Hmmm, that would be able to get fixed with meshing? If so, I'm gonna go see if I can nab a master mesher to fix it all nice and pretty Tongue

hehe

And drat on the no skype. If you do get it, my name is the same as here.

2008.08.24 05:47

Lady Nerevar
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anything can be fixed with meshing Wink

anyhow, here is my idea for it. sorry for the sketchiness.

basically, the jewels are attached to the overlapping pieces of cloth on the skirt of the dress. from them hang gold chains (using alpha maps on the lace). there are also jewels on the bottom part of the bodice. the bodice and the sleeve holder thingie is some heavy, embroidered fabric thats quite detailed. there the underskirt and most of the sleeves is a light fabric. the overlapping skirts and part of the sleeve (not depicted on concept as I dont quite know how I want to place it) is a medium weight and medium detail fabric. i'd like to use some nice detailed trims as well.

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2008.08.24 20:46

Gyssar
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Registration Date: 2006.09.07
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You can ask me to be your... erm... mesher... gak, not a very dignified-sounding word for someone who does 3d-art Crying

. Great, now you hurt my feelings, so I'm just gonna go sulk in the corner and not talk to anyone for the rest of my life.

Jk.

Anyhow, I could do that stretching and mesh-editing for the dress, but that would require me to do a refresher on NIFScope and fitting the whole thing into a VERY busy schedule, so if you find a modeller to do this for you or utilize a workaround that will work well before I come around to doing this - go for it, ok?

EDIT: Or, as an alternative, I can do the mesh, re-map UVW coordinates for the corresponding areas, rig it properly, export it onto the (gah, me forgits the model extension for the netimmerse/gamebryo engine) and send it over to you, LadyN, and you finalize it in NIFScope?

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2008.08.25 08:01

Tabber42
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That all sounds like gibberish too me lol
It doesn't matter really to me how it is done, just that it does get done

, like, I dont know what the differences between the two would be.

And I'd love it if you were my mesher (master 3-D artist Tongue

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2008.08.25 08:19

Gyssar
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The tech info was primarily directed at LadyN.

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