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The Old Ye Bard
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(Book on the current undead 'political' situation present in the Illiac Bay/High Rock.)
Undead Politics
After the Warp in the West, a power vacum in the Illiac Bay is left
after Mannimarco becomes a God, and the Underking ceases to exist,
which results in a situation similar to what happened with the Kingdoms
of High Rock, except opposite. Instead of two Lich-Kings, there are now
many.
The King of Worms, weaker of the two Lich Kings, but more powerful in
terms of followers, left behind his loyal legions of Necromancers
ranging from those little better than Zombies, to Necromancer's to
powerful Liches hundreds of years old -though without a leader, and
many unsure of what became of him, a large proportion of Mannimarco's
Worms left, becomming free unto themselves, no longer affiliated to the
Guild of Necromancer's, though Scroug Barrow in Hammerfell still was a
monument to the King of Worm's power. Those who who isolated themselves
began fighting for power across the bay, fighting with the King of
Worm's followers who remained, and the Liches whom once a huddled under
the shadow of the Underking, with power entity's appearing, and
disappearing, though non acheiving the grandeur of Mannimarco.
Undeniably, the Underking was far more powerful than Mannimarco,
however he had not any true following. Undead bound into unwilling
servitude, some trapped within his reach and becoming bound to his will
-all mindless undead, spectres, wraiths, zombies, etc, naught of any
individual thought, however many Liches outside of Mannimarco's
following clung to the Underking and his power, though wary that they
could posibly become bound to him too, many Liches had no other choice
but too accept the shelter of the Evil once-Battlemage, because a
Necromancer outside of Mannimarco's domain was deemed a threat, and
therefore openly an enemy, the only safe option for these Liches and
Necromancers was either to go into hiding, or cling to the next
avaliable power in which to hide, the Underking.
These sentient beings who were allied to the Underking, were not truly
with him -the Underking held no true allegience to anyone, these beings
who claimed so, only dwelt amongst his undead, controling only a
handful of them -going unseen by the Underking, or being not important
enough to bother exterminating.
After the Warp in the West, these Liches no longer had anywhere to be,
however, Mannimarco no longer existed as a true threat, so like those
who followed the Worm King, they quickly took hold in the Ruins through
the Illiac Bay, competing against each other for Land and Power, many
of the Dark Artifacts once belonging to the two Lich Kings being
dispersed between the lesser Liches now claiming dominace in the Bay.
Once upon a time, the saying 'Find an New Hill, become a King" was
popular amongst the Bretons of Highrock, now it seems in relation to
the Liches now free from their Overlords, that "Find an Empty Castle,
become the new Underking" is a saying that holds a truth now all too
common a problem in the Dirreni West. One who traverses the Countryside
is best to carry water blessed by your local chapel, and amulets
blessed by the priests of Arkay if you wish to not become victim to the
undead horde.
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2008.10.12 09:36 |
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Lady Nerevar
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I'm really not sure what the Underking has to do with this, since he is
zurin arctus (or Ysmir, et al), not Manimarco. I do agree about the
multiple manimarcos however. there are at least 2 manimarcos, the one
in oblivion and the necromancer moon god. I myself prefer http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/forum/viewtop...t=17489]eight.
gameplay wise, I think lich appearances should not be quite as frequent
as one-per-castle. the land would appear even smaller than it already
is if we stuff it full of dungeons. instead, it would be better to
create fewer litches but make them better. perhaps half a dozen could
be quest related or memorably unique in some other way, and a maybe a
dozen could be there for general flavor.
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2008.10.13 21:05 |
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The Old Ye Bard
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Originally posted by Lady Nerevar
I'm really not sure what the Underking has to do with this, since he is
zurin arctus (or Ysmir, et al), not Manimarco. I do agree about the
multiple manimarcos however. there are at least 2 manimarcos, the one
in oblivion and the necromancer moon god. I myself prefer http://tamriel-rebuilt.org/forum/viewtop...t=17489]eight.
gameplay wise, I think lich appearances should not be quite as frequent
as one-per-castle. the land would appear even smaller than it already
is if we stuff it full of dungeons. instead, it would be better to
create fewer litches but make them better. perhaps half a dozen could
be quest related or memorably unique in some other way, and a maybe a
dozen could be there for general flavor. |
The Underking was a Lich (of sorts), and held powerful sway over the
undead, look what he did at Sancre Tor, it remained that way even after
his death; Liches seeing this power would have gone under the radar in
his realm, controling some of the undead that he oringinally raised,
weathering out Mannimarco's Reign. In Daggerfall, it was very explicit
about the war going on between the two Lich Kings (mannimarco, and the
Underking), and many quests reflect that.
I do completly agree with the Eight Mannimarco's though 
It would be cool to fin a super-lich version of him, that got kicked
out of his own cult in one version of the Warp, and now is living in a
castle alone (but an extremly hard dungeon to beat, with him being able
to squash even the highest level character).
As for Liches, I wasn't talking about one lich-per-castle, just in many
ruined castles (which there are a lot of, after the Warp in the West,
from the Dirreni Hegemony, and those mentioned in the first PGE, and
that the Empire had to even go about demolishing them, because of the
threat they posed if bandits, or uprisings against the empire started
to use them), with a Lich as the 'end-boss' of the dungeon (posibly
with some unique liches), as you also just touched on.
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2008.10.13 21:19 |
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Lady Nerevar
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Underking was a Lich (of sorts), and held powerful sway over the
undead, look what he did at Sancre Tor, it remained that way even after
his death; Liches seeing this power would have gone under the radar in
his realm, controling some of the undead that he oringinally raised,
weathering out Mannimarco's Reign. In Daggerfall, it was very explicit
about the war going on between the two Lich Kings (mannimarco, and the
Underking), and many quests reflect that. |
source? I see the part about him being a lich, but he is not really a
king of necromancy or anything. his whole point in the Numidium
struggle was to regain his heart/soul (which was used in the
Anumidium).
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2008.10.13 22:23 |
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The Old Ye Bard
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Originally posted by Lady Nerevar
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Underking was a Lich (of sorts), and held powerful sway over the
undead, look what he did at Sancre Tor, it remained that way even after
his death; Liches seeing this power would have gone under the radar in
his realm, controling some of the undead that he oringinally raised,
weathering out Mannimarco's Reign. In Daggerfall, it was very explicit
about the war going on between the two Lich Kings (mannimarco, and the
Underking), and many quests reflect that. |
source? I see the part about him being a lich, but he is not really a
king of necromancy or anything. his whole point in the Numidium
struggle was to regain his heart/soul (which was used in the Anumidium). |
The undead infestation at Sancre Tor was so explicitly bad it had to be sealed off by the Grandmaster of the Blades (link), the curse continuing even after his own death.
A daggerfall quote from dear old Manni, "The UnderKing and his agents have been a thorn in my side for
centuries. Just remember, should the UnderKing regain his mortal body,
he would surely throw all of Tamriel into conflict."
In Daggerfall, it is mentioned quite a few times that the UnderKing,
and Manni are in a power struggle that has played out for centuries,
the Underking managing to ahold of Manni's Necromancer's Amulet (which
you get as a reward if you give the Mantella to him), and I beleive
there is a quest from the King of Worms where you have to go through a
castle of undead that is supposibly ruled by the UnderKing.
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2008.10.13 22:52 |
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Lady Nerevar
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ok, I acknowledge the power struggle, but I dont see the underking as a
necro lord. his actions are for the most part explained by his wanting
to regain mantela and get back at the empire. what I cant figure out is
why he and mani have a beef. at any rate, I dont think this has much to
do with the current undead situation, so its safe to disagree.
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2008.10.14 00:29 |
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The Old Ye Bard
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Originally posted by Lady Nerevar
ok, I acknowledge the power struggle, but I dont see the underking as a
necro lord. his actions are for the most part explained by his wanting
to regain mantela and get back at the empire. what I cant figure out is
why he and mani have a beef. at any rate, I dont think this has much to
do with the current undead situation, so its safe to disagree. |
You haven't given any reasons why you don't see him as a Lich
King/Necro Lord, his ultimate goal was to get back at the Empire, and
to regain the Mantela, yes, but his methods employed very powerful
Necromancy, enough for one of the most holiest of places in all of
Cyrodiil having to be sealed off, and remain infested well after his
death, not to mention he was half-way across Tamriel to begin with.
Mannimarco probably had a beef with him, because they were both after
the Mantela, and they were both trying to assume control over the
Illiac Bay with undead, and those in their service (Necromancer Cult on
Manni's side, and the UnderKing's hired mercenaries/those who supported
him), also you have to throw the fact in that Manni probably detests
the UnderKing because he doesn't worship him, he was the self pro-claimed king of Necromancers, to have another Lich more powerful than him, in his domain, actively trying to gain influence and power, is a huge
threat to him. There's also the fact that there probably ain't that
many dead bodies to share, and let's not forget the Crypt of Hearts, I
beleive both of them would have had their eyes on that treasure trove
of dead bodies.
While the UnderKing isn't a typical Lich, he is still extremly
powerful, and has/had armies worth of undead -he is as relevant to the
current undead situation in High Rock, as Mannimarco is, if not more,
seeing as his undead have stayed active even after his own demise.
Edit: Another refernce to the ongoing struggle between the two factions.
This post has been edited 2 time(s), it was last edited by The Old Ye Bard: 2008.10.14 05:55.
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