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Qxzyz
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quote:

<snip>it would be strange when your Cyrodiilic fur armor doesn't protect you from the cold<snip>

Ah -- I that that was the reason extra-special fur was being created...while "Fur" armor might not be adequate to prevent frostbite, "Nordic Fur" (or whatever it would be called) would do the job...this would side-step having to play with vanilla/OOO fur at all...

Edit: Hehe -- Apparently Siesta Guru and I are on the same page about this...

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18.10.2006 17:05

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quote:

Originally posted by Siesta Guru
If there seems to be a compability issue we could always make a new fur set that you can only get in skyrim that will do this, its not perfect but we can say that cyrodillic fur isn't made to protect against cold =/

That is exactly the problem I have with making a new set of fur armor just for the script. At this point I'm not sure what the better solution is (though I have a feeling we will end up making a new set).

Edit: Oh who gives a damn, we'll just make a new set.

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18.10.2006 17:07

Siesta Guru
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exactly the problem? with what? I'm confused

Edit: we should stop typing at the same time

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18.10.2006 17:09

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quote:

Originally posted by Siesta Guru
exactly the problem? with what? I'm confused

With having a new set of fur armor made in order to avoid messing with the stock OB fur armor when attaching the script (because of mods that modify fur armor). I doesn't make all that much sense that Cyrodiilic fur would not be good enough to protect from the cold.

Edit:

quote:

Edit: we should stop typing at the same time

Agreed.

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18.10.2006 17:12

Siesta Guru
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ACtually it does make some sense.. northern fur could be made of a much better quality fur, thicker fur, better stitching, enough reasons.

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18.10.2006 17:14

Psychotic
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quote:

Originally posted by Siesta Guru
ACtually it does make some sense.. northern fur could be made of a much better quality fur, thicker fur, better stitching, enough reasons.

Still, Cyrodiilic fur should offer some protection from the cold, no mater how minimal.

18.10.2006 17:17

Qxzyz
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Pity there's no "GetIsEquipped" function...*sigh*

How does the "GetIsUsedItem" work? I understand that it's supposed to be for NPCs/PCs using an object in an animation (i.e. checking to see if an NPC is eating a specific apple), but how does this work with regard to player items? Do equipped items just not count as "used" for this function?

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18.10.2006 17:42

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There is a getequipped function, but its in OBSE Mad

we dont use obse do we?

http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/ind...tEquippedObject

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18.10.2006 17:45

Qxzyz
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Not currently -- I believe the idea is we'd rather not create any external dependencies if possible... I dunno

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18.10.2006 17:49

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Its not like the sake of skyrim depends on this little thingy :lmao:

so lets just find another way

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18.10.2006 17:51

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Are we going to use this damage while blizzard idea? If we are id like to ask a little question:

The current idea is to let a activator appear each 5 five secs shooting a very big area effect with little magnitude to the floor. The problem is that the combination placeatme and then disable doesnt seem to work as it should, the activator will still be there. Does anyone know how to use the same activator over and over again? If I try to use moveto it says it cant find the activator.

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19.10.2006 20:51

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Is using an activator the only way to pull this off?

20.10.2006 12:29

Siesta Guru
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No I dont think so... but I dont know any other ways, I'm currently trying a shadow but no luck so far.

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20.10.2006 12:50

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Can a negative spell effect be added directly on the player only during a blizzard, then say a check is preformed to see if the player has exited the blizzard in order to cancel the effect? I'm just throwing raw ideas around, so I'm sure you've already thought of this. I dunno

20.10.2006 12:57

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Well I guess it can but itll prolly deal to much damage, id like to make it less then 1 damage per second, I did 1 damage every 2 secs already and when I fired a summonblizzard spell in chorrol all those npc died ( well after waiting 4 minutes), of course the blizzard climate wont be run in settlements, and npcs outside them could wear fur.

BTW: I made a blizzard weather but it looks like normal snow, I turned the wind effect up but the snow still falls like theres no wind, can anyone change the snow nif ?

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20.10.2006 13:01

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quote:

Originally posted by Siesta Guru
BTW: I made a blizzard weather but it looks like normal snow, I turned the wind effect up but the snow still falls like theres no wind, can anyone change the snow nif ?

The whole weather system for Skyrim will need some work, I suggest you don't bother to much with it atm.

20.10.2006 13:07

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Worry no more, I've found a way to completly remove the activator, I didn't test it yet but it looks like it would work, if it does ill just have to add the scripts to the fur and the blizzard effect is ready Yes

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20.10.2006 15:09

Psychotic
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That's spiffy!

20.10.2006 15:20

Skot the Sanguine
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Cool, I know that the Garridan's Tears quest had something similar, but I never liked the way it was done...because my Atronach character absorbed the spell half the time and it had no real effect on him.

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20.10.2006 15:56

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WEll its been done in the same way

I didn't look at garridans tears but its supposed to do that, we need to let frost resistance stop the damage (so nords will have resistance against it, and the fur thingy works).

I've got the damage working atm the only thing I'm wondering about if its true that the activator is removed, no clue how to test that Confused

I've just fixed how the damage looks, the only problem is sound.. you hear this boom when you get hit Mad

does anyone know how to get rid of this?

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20.10.2006 16:00

Psychotic
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quote:

Originally posted by Siesta Guru
I've just fixed how the damage looks, the only problem is sound.. you hear this boom when you get hit Mad

does anyone know how to get rid of this?

That would be a problem. Frown

I don't know of a way to remove it without removing the sound from every frost spell.

20.10.2006 17:08

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I've tried adding abilitys aswell but that also caused a BOOM, hmm maybe if we use a playsound command with a sound thats completly silent we can override the frostdmaage sound. I havent added sounds before to any of my scripts so I have no clue if that will work.

BTW, we can just create a ability that does 1 damage/sec on the player so you hear only one boom.

O and if I remember correctly the palepass frost damage also made frost sounds, and it was kindda disturbing.

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20.10.2006 18:31

Psychotic
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I don't know if the "silent sound" thing will work, but it's a good place to start.

Anyway, the fewer BOOMS the better. Yes

20.10.2006 18:40

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What do you prefer, a lot of booms and correct amount of damage or:

one boom, one FrostDamage added message and an incorrect amount of damage (too high)

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20.10.2006 18:43

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Can you reduce the damage by adding a bit of frost resistance with it?

20.10.2006 18:45

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Sure but the problem is that that takes away from the nord/fur thingy. Having 100% doesnt make any difference with having it 85% in blizzards, and 15% frost resistance wont do, ill need around 50%

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20.10.2006 18:47

Psychotic
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So no.

20.10.2006 18:50

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Sounds didn't do it =( or atleast some random sound I choose didn't do it, the sound played but it didn't override,

I just found a second issue, if I activate my storm spell more then once the damage doesnt always come (actually it doesnt come most of the time) this is espeially true when I'm standing on grass Confused

I think we need to do the ability way even though that has it cons too.

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20.10.2006 19:01

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quote:

Originally posted by Siesta Guru
I think we need to do the ability way even though that has it cons too.

Well if an ordinary NPC dies within 4 minutes, then we'll just add a lot of items enchanted with frost resistance and also a variety of potions with the same purpose. The player has a higher endurance than an ordinary NPC... especially the lvl 20-30 players that Skyrim is designed for. Blizzards won't be very common anyway and only creatures very resistant to frost would likely attack the player in one.

However things are a bit different for the cold regions of Skyrim since they can't be avoided the way blizzards can.

20.10.2006 19:08

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Blizzards wotn appear in citys and most skyrimcivilians are nords, and a lot of them are wearing fur, to the guys that dont wear fur or aint nords that venture outside we could add some cold resist spell (but shouldnt npcs be able to die of blizzards)

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20.10.2006 19:11

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quote:

Originally posted by Siesta Guru
(but shouldnt npcs be able to die of blizzards)

Yes, though no to quickly. That especially goes for the NPCs that will accompany the player on the MQ... and there are quite a few of them.

Edit: I just though I should mention that the cities won't be in a separate worldspace like the cities in Cyrodiil.

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20.10.2006 19:16

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Aha, well that doesnt change much since climates are based on regions and not worldspaces, so we just add blizzards to areas that are supposed to be very cold away from towns

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20.10.2006 19:23

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To end this 2-man-chat.

I just hope scripts don't mess up and freeze entire town to death. So, it will be the same effect that open cities did for Ob? Regarding cities, I mean.

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20.10.2006 19:26

Psychotic
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Originally posted by Siesta Guru
Aha, well that doesnt change much since climates are based on regions and not worldspaces, so we just add blizzards to areas that are supposed to be very cold away from towns

Yes I know, though the climate editor in the TES3 CS was not very precise... this one might be different, I haven't worked with it yet.

Edit:
@Arbiter: Yes, just like "open cities". Yes

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20.10.2006 19:26

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So... that could mean a serious problems for low specs. comps?

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20.10.2006 19:30

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This blizzard idea has too many weaknesses that cant be handeld (not by me that is) I think wed better scrap it, weather spawning doesnt bring many problems though so we can keep that.

Edit: I got a low spec computer, below the ground spec that is, but little villages don't give me any perfomance weaknesses compared to big walled cities.. I'm only rendering one or two cells at the moment so why would that change between buildings?

To list a few problems:

- dieing npcs

- adding abilitys or shooting a spell doesnt seem to work in 50% of the cases

- Boom sounds we dont want

- Ugly falling snow

- ai problem, real people would seek cover with a blizzard these guys dont (theres probably a way to this, but itll take some time)

- Message spam when using abilitys as damager

- Strange iceanimations hanging in the air when using spells as damagers

- Overpowered fur

- Cyrodillic fur creating compability issues

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20.10.2006 19:31

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Actually I'd love to see this "overpowered fur". Finaly low level armors get some use, ej?

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20.10.2006 19:57

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Hmm now that I think of it.. maybe my very first version was the best of all, it just shot a big area frost damage spell at me, I tried to remove that because it was ugly, maybe it wont have a few of the other even more ugly things that came later on.

this mu==ight actually be working, first test proved that it did work 100% of the time, only disatvantages are that you get a flash when your hit and a boom sound, but it doesnt seem to able to remove the boom

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20.10.2006 20:03

Alasdair
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quote:

- dieing npcs

you could solve this by making sure that the npcs were attacking the player before damaging them.

20.10.2006 20:22

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Its not a spell

weather usually doesnt stop if two guys are fighting... hmm I've just disocvered that bringing the wind slider all up causes leaves to move independently of the tree their attached too :lmao:

it looks very srange when
the leaves are swinging and the trees just stand still.. try it :lmao:

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