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Poll: How are the 3 dungeon ambience tracks?
They're good!	14	77.78%
They're ok.	3	16.67%
Not good!	1	5.56%
They're too wierd!	0	0.00%
Total:	18 Votes	100%

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-Sulan-
Chieftain of Skyrim

Registration Date: 06.03.2006
Posts: 443
Location: Sweden

Sweet! I?m very glad you guys like the atmosphere tune Yes

I?ll continue on it and have it ready in a week or two I should think...

Yeah the battle tune is indeed overkill lol I just totally freaked out with it one late night

I?ve allways tryed to give the tunes an oldish feel, and the later parts of it are too modern and too metal-like.
I?ll continue on it though, but I?ll remake everything after the percussion and horn brake in the middle (just before the steady distorted basses kick in) and stick to my original plan.
It?ll come out as an epic and intense generic battle tune, hopefully with a few touches of scary and evil

Thanks for your comments guys!!! Good job!

I appreciate it a lot, it helps me keep it on track.

11.12.2006 23:18

mirrored
Baron

Registration Date: 08.10.2006
Posts: 419

I downloaded the tracks. I like them, but I'm especially interested in your atmosphere tracks - they are indeed good! Good job!

What library do you use for the tracks? Wink

11.12.2006 23:25

-Sulan-
Chieftain of Skyrim

Registration Date: 06.03.2006
Posts: 443
Location: Sweden

quote:

Originally posted by mirrored
I downloaded the tracks. I like them, but I'm especially interested in your atmosphere tracks - they are indeed good! Good job!

What library do you use for the tracks? Wink

Oh I hate the question, because the library has such a long name that I can?t remember it entirely Tongue

(it?s true)

It?s the: East West Quantum Leap symphonic orchestra gold plus super revolver edition library, something like that lol (it?s true, it?s something like that lol).
I often use solo instruments as well, and outboard eq, compression and other effects on the samples. (the tools included with the library does?nt like me, and I don?t like them)

Allthough I should point out, atmosphere 1 and 2 are made with other "lesser" libraries Wink

If you are interested in how the library sounds in particular: The hearters gap song is made entirely with samples except a little bit of live cello to add some texture..
I?d recommend the library!! It?s quite affordable somewhere around 5-600$ I believe...

(Taking a look at the Void

)

Edit: The mod looks cool!! I listened to some of your music and wow Eek 2

It?s absolutely amazing stuff!!

Cheers

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11.12.2006 23:46

mirrored
Baron

Registration Date: 08.10.2006
Posts: 419

I use EWQLSO Silver and as you can hear it worls pretty well too. Wink

I wasn't sure about your library though so I asked. Wink

Thanks for listening. I have some problems with sound though, at some audio devices my tunes are fine (headphones mostly), but when played on some other stuff, they sound like there is too much mud and high tones. I think I've never did a tune that would sound good at every audio speakers. Wink

Yours seem to be doing fine though.
Thanks for sharing. Good job!

12.12.2006 00:31

-Sulan-
Chieftain of Skyrim

Registration Date: 06.03.2006
Posts: 443
Location: Sweden

Aye, mixing/mastering is quite the witchcraft

I?ve only recently started composing with samples and stuff, before I?ve mostly been recording and mixing jazz/pop/rock band stuff - and there is quite a bit of difference making a tight mix of a whole orchestra sounding good with all it?s different timbres, tones and colours.

12.12.2006 03:55

mirrored
Baron

Registration Date: 08.10.2006
Posts: 419

That's true.

You do havave some studio experience I take it?
And for how long you've been composing orchestral music?

12.12.2006 07:31

-Sulan-
Chieftain of Skyrim

Registration Date: 06.03.2006
Posts: 443
Location: Sweden

quote:

Originally posted by mirrored
That's true.

You do havave some studio experience I take it?
And for how long you've been composing orchestral music?

Yes me and my brother run a studio here in Sweden just outside of Stockholm since about a year back, it?s not quite finnished yet though, all of the rooms are where they should be but there is some work left to do with the acoustics. But we?re getting there

You could say it?s on the level of a project studio at the moment, but we have big plans and are expanding our gear and competence...

I have been composing for a year soon, I started out at the same time that the Skyrim team was first formed - time flyes

- and Skyrim is my first composition project.

How about you? I?d be interested to hear your views on your work!! Yes

I have to say again, your stuff is absolutely amazing, I take plenty inspiration from it. You manage to stay consistent in the music and let the parts evolve in a way that I?m struggling to match, I have difficulty trusting my parts and let them sink in. And I believe that game music needs to be consistent in order to not take too much of the audible spectrum of the game experience...

btw, do you have any libraries to recommend for more unussual instruments? I?m particlularly interested in Daduks and other eastern instruments...

13.12.2006 00:00

mirrored
Baron

Registration Date: 08.10.2006
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You are composing for a yer? Good. Good job!

You seem like you're composing longer. Do you have some orchestral composing education (I don't - I study classic percussion, but of course it's not related to any composition theoretics Wink

- performance mainly)?
My first attemps at orchestral music were since I joined The Void and that's about half a year. Wink

Those first tries weren't as good as what you can hear now. Wink

About music itself - I listened very much to Jeremy Soule's works for Morrowind and Oblivion. I guess I am very much influenced by his music there, and from what I can see - music in "his style" with some asian touch blends in the game rather nicely.

quote:

And I believe that game music needs to be consistent in order to not take too much of the audible spectrum of the game experience...

I agree. I can tell you this - composing the music fro Oblivion mod is somewhat easier compared to what you have to make i.e. for an action/adventure game for kids (I'm doing music for one Wink

and although leaders of the project are satisfied, I still think that in some moments my music is too much, because I overdid something where it should be steady). Wink

As for libriaries - I use Spectrasonics Heart of Asia (akai) with EWQL Silver. There are not only china/japan instruments there in HoA. Wink

But there my knowledge ends. Maybe East West Quantum Leap RA could help you. There also were 3 cd set EWQL Rare Instruments.
I wish I could get the EWQL RA though - it's impressive sounding library with load of oriental instruments (checked the demos). Good job!

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13.12.2006 07:49

-Sulan-
Chieftain of Skyrim

Registration Date: 06.03.2006
Posts: 443
Location: Sweden

Cool! So we?re both new to composing then

Wow I wish I got a composition job for a game too, I?m very jealous Wink

I can see why you got it though, you?re very talented!!! Yes

Jeremy souls stuff inspired me a lot too, particularly the Morrowind soundtrack which I think is amazing. Very interesting music which even so, manages to be just right in terms of how much "space" it takes up.
Hehe I?m a percussionist too

, allthough I play drumkit mostly. I do studio work and live with some bands... but I have no education in music, allthough I plan to study some audio-engineer/producer type of education...

Will definetly check out the EWQL RA!! Thanks for the tip!!

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14.12.2006 19:53

Liquid Cheese
Elder of Skyrim

Registration Date: 24.07.2006
Posts: 624
Location: England

I'm listening to your stuff now, mirrored, I am most impressed. It is very atmospheric, I've only listened to Exploration Tune 1, I love it. It's like a journey from the initial quiet plucky sounds through to the much more explosive sounds and back to the plucky sounds again.

14.12.2006 20:19

mirrored
Baron

Registration Date: 08.10.2006
Posts: 419

quote:

Cool! So we?re both new to composing then

Well I was doing electronic music and jazz (also performing) for quite some time, but yes - I'm somewhat new to the orchestral music. Wink

quote:

Hehe I?m a percussionist too

, allthough I play drumkit mostly. I do studio work and live with some bands... but I have no education in music, allthough I plan to study some audio-engineer/producer type of education...

I wish I could have mony and time, I'd like to study it too.

Liquid Cheese - thanks for listening. Good job!

14.12.2006 21:22

-Sulan-
Chieftain of Skyrim

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Posts: 443
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Some little some new thing I made tonight.. I don?t know if its very fitting for Skyrim though, perhaps it can be useful. I?ve offered it to Black Marsh as well since I think it?d sit nicely there but thats up to them

What chou thinks mein damen und herren?

Atmosphere_04_sketch

15.12.2006 06:56

mirrored
Baron

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The atmosphere is great! You could more reverb though so it's more blurry and with more space. Wink

Oh the timpanis when they are doing tremolo with crescendo in 0:48 I think that could end with single hit, not with tremolo with decrescendo - but that's just me.

Oh you could add glockenspiel. Wink

Hmmm that tune inspires me - it's calm and friendly. You seem you use proper instruments where they are needed with ease. I sometimes think that my tunes lack of some better instrumentation.
Good. Good job!

15.12.2006 09:30

Siesta Guru
Elder of Skyrim

Registration Date: 15.10.2006
Posts: 516
Location: Sleeping in a bar

Awesome man! Good job!

What do those musical terms mean?? Lol you really lost me there

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15.12.2006 09:42

-Sulan-
Chieftain of Skyrim

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Posts: 443
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Good ideas there!!

I might certainly try a glockenspiel, never used one before hehe..
I?ll be mixing it later, there will definetly be more reverb, it?s kind of hollow/empty at the moment I agree. I will also take care of some details, but I allways run out of memory in the computer so I?ll have to bounce tracks to add more (I?m thinking about assembling some scrap computer to use as midi-slave)..
I?m very glad you like it!!

Thank you!!

Edit: uhm, timpani is a kind of drum made from copper or bronze me thinks. Crescendo = swell, tremolo can mean a bunch of things depending on the application but in this case it kind of means drum-roll. It is also a vibrato-like effect, but instead of altering the tone (as vibrato) you alter volume...

edit2: Oh you beat me to it

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15.12.2006 09:44

mirrored
Baron

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Tremolo - rapid hits

crescendo - fade in
decrescendo - fade out Wink

Sulan - you did use glockenspiel, in the first tune, I don't remember the others. Wink

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15.12.2006 09:44

Psychotic
Jarl of Skyrim

Registration Date: 30.07.2006
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Wow, nice tune! Dancing Banana

I think it can be used specifically for the Blackmoor ruins as the place will be kind of marshy... but it can be used in Black Mars too as I think it will definitely fit there. Yes

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15.12.2006 14:39

Siesta Guru
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Ok so if I get this music language right he's doing a fade in at 0:48 with rapid hits, but that could be jsut one hit? Ah well it doent matter if I understand it or not, as long as it sounds awesome

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15.12.2006 14:46

mirrored
Baron

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No, the fade out could be replaced with one timpani hit. Wink

15.12.2006 14:50

-Sulan-
Chieftain of Skyrim

Registration Date: 06.03.2006
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Yeah, there is a drum roll on the Timpani drum in time with a change in the song. The drum roll "runs over the barline" meaning that it overlaps with the change in the song and fades out after the change has taken place, and what mirrored means is that the drumroll could end in a solid one hit as it addresses the new part of the song - then the drumroll would punch in the change instead of sort of waving it in as it does now.

I wanted that part to come in smooth though (it is when the monotonous harp comes in) so that?s why I made it overlap like that, I tryed ending the tremolo with one hit by the way as you suggested. But I think it goes better with the fadeout for what I had in mind with the tune.

I appreciate your feedback very much Mirrored!!! Yes

I will get an account on the void forums and look a little closer at your project, it seams very interesting I think!!

15.12.2006 22:26

mirrored
Baron

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You could also make it that when the roll is starting, it can go louder, then when in a half way of the roll, it can be turned down a little and maybe tempo slightly slowed down, and then one mellow hit. Wink

Other option is that you could just go with the roll, but don't do second fade in when there is the song's change, this point should be climax of the roll, so from this point - fade out. Sorry if you don't understand what I'm talking about. It's difficult for me to find proper words and put it in understandable way (I'm not English Wink

15.12.2006 22:47

-Sulan-
Chieftain of Skyrim

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Yeah you?re right, it does climax after the change which makes it alittle messy.. I have?nt concentrated on the details yet of the song, just an early sketch as of now. Swelling it earlier and ending it with a mellow hit like you suggest could be sweet, it?d deliver the harp more firmly so to speak Wink

I?ll definetly try that!!
The tune will also be a lot longer when it is done, about 3:30 - 4 mins I think...

Timpanis are such a cool instrument btw, so much punch yet so deep and moody - I love it!!

15.12.2006 22:56

mirrored
Baron

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Yes, but they are hard to master. As any percussion instrument. Moreover, playing with orchestra percussionists have this difficulty with counting pauses and play when it is to be played (not getting lost). I'd prefer more playing constantly than counting those damn measures...
Hmmm this track is really awesome and one of the most inspiring and atmospheric. It really sounds like you were doing orchestral music for many years, like you're an expert with that. Can't wait to hear it expanded. Good job!

15.12.2006 23:04

-Sulan-
Chieftain of Skyrim

Registration Date: 06.03.2006
Posts: 443
Location: Sweden

Oh thank you!!

I?m so happy you like it! I feel the newer stuff (everything since the hearters gap theme and onward) is at another level than the older atmosphere?s 1 and 2..

I?m listening to your music again now, just regged an acount on the void forums. And I have to say, it?s incredibly professional. I love the moody asian flutes and the swishy gongs, and the battle tunes are totally amazing!!! Good job!

You?ve really captured a very distinct asian feel and it sits very well with the theme of the mod!!

15.12.2006 23:10

mirrored
Baron

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Thaks. Well I guess it is easier for me. I wonder how I would handle music for other mods here... That would be rather difficult I guess. Wink

But I think every mod here has good musician at it ranks. Good job!

And that shows how the mod community can have talented amateur-proffesionals working for mods. Good job!

15.12.2006 23:20

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