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Psychotic
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quote:

Originally posted by Siesta Guru

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Originally posted by Mormacil
In MW blinding made it nerly impossible to hit your enemy and darkened your screen.

In oblivion they always hit, you can lower their damage but it wouldn't look like there blinded Frown

I rememebr there was some way of darkening the screen with shaders but no clue hoe wit works.

But even if you can darken the screen that would only work for the player and not for NPCs. You can't really replicate being blinded by a bright light since there's no "cover-your-eyes-with-your-hands" animation, but perhaps your confusion spell could simulate the other aspects of not being able to see... like walking around (NOT running) without knowing where you are going (it would only work on NPCs though).

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04.01.2007 23:10

Mormacil
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quote:

Originally posted by Siesta Guru

quote:

Originally posted by Mormacil
In MW blinding made it nerly impossible to hit your enemy and darkened your screen.

In oblivion they always hit, you can lower their damage but it wouldn't look like there blinded Frown

I rememebr there was some way of darkening the screen with shaders but no clue hoe wit works.

You're right, but we might be able to work around that, we could try to lower there weaponrange to 0... And well the player won't be blinded so no shader problem. And yeah about shaders, if I remember correctly we can't add those, we can only trow out nighteye and modivy that shader Frown

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05.01.2007 00:08

Psychotic
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Setting the weapon range to 0 would require changing weapon data via a scrip which I don't think is possible. And even if it is you would have to enter the reference of every weapon in the CS for it to work (and that won't work with weapons enchanted by the player or added by mods).

Actually shader can be added, but I don't think that goes for effects like night eye. I dunno

05.01.2007 00:47

Qazaaq
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Blinding is not easy, what are you looking for exactly? Something that looks like Morrowinds blind spell, hitting the player but doing no damage? Smashing around trying to hit something or grabbing the eyes and crying about being blind (falling on the knees, something dramatic that will make you feel guilty)? Before you talk about what's possible, first talk about what you're looking for.

@Psychotic: if you use OBSE you can change the range with a script, it doesn't matter what weapon it is, even weapons from mods and player created weapons.

05.01.2007 00:56

Psychotic
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Originally posted by Qazaaq
Blinding is not easy, what are you looking for exactly? Something that looks like Morrowinds blind spell, hitting the player but doing no damage? Smashing around trying to hit something or grabbing the eyes and crying about being blind (falling on the knees, something dramatic that will make you feel guilty)? Before you talk about what's possible, first talk about what you're looking for.

What would be best is for an NPC to grab his eyes and let out a scream (or whatever) when the spell hits him and after that (if the spell effect is long enough) wander around blindly, perhaps swinging a weapon at thin air.

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Originally posted by Qazaaq
@Psychotic: if you use OBSE you can change the range with a script, it doesn't matter what weapon it is, even weapons from mods and player created weapons.

There was a discussion about OBSE and if we'll make the mod dependant on it, we decided that if enough obstacles occur that can not be passed by "traditional" scripting... I guess the blind spell is added to the list.

05.01.2007 01:09

Siesta Guru
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The animation of the eye-grabbing is the problem I'm afraid Frown

its possible to let the guy run around hitting thin air, I've already done that. But it looks veyr silly since blind guys wouldn't run around like that (the sound is doable, I think there was some dialogue line "where are you? " which would be great here.

Also the blind guy will get attacked by guards if he starts going blind (havent found a way around it yet), which is ok with confusion : "Theres a psychopath on the loose!" but not really with blind guys.

I might made a vid of the spell soon so you can see if you like it.

The silver shield is great btw

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05.01.2007 10:55

-Sulan-
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Sounds cool Siesta!!
Would be nice to see a video or to try it Yes

If the target of the spell could be made to look in random directions and not at the player, I believe that could look just as good as grabbing the eyes.
I have know idea how that?d be done though, npc?s look at the nearest npc or creature? Maybe when an npc is hit with the spell some invisible things that the npc will look at can be spawned very close and follow him while the spell lasts.... I dunno
Also it would be sweet I thinks if the target would?nt allways just go flailing about if hit with the spell, but would sometimes also block and try to back away and be defensive...

05.01.2007 17:54

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Currently I create invisible creatures (for the player) which start combat with the actor so the actor runs behind them, but I could use look instead of startcombat which would let them look in another direction (although theyll still attack the player)

Edit: I already made a vid, but it wasnt funny Frown

my best time with the spell was when I casted it on somehow who would then proceed to kill the closest tree Tongue

while watching this some guard came running in with the words: "Theres a psychopath on the loose" killing the tree hugger in a few strikes.

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05.01.2007 18:03

-Sulan-
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Hmm... I see, I think.

Sounds complicated...
On a side note, I saw something similar on TES source: It was under the "gameplay effects and changes" files. And it was a spell named "distraction" (which he said you?d get from the gray fox) and he said it made npc?s stare intently on the floor and run around in circles... Might be interesting I dunno...

05.01.2007 20:50

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linky? couldn't find it using search

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05.01.2007 20:55

Psychotic
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Originally posted by -Sulan-
Hmm... I see, I think.

Yeah, I remember seeing that one too. You cast a spell and once it hits something it summons some kind of an object at the point of impact that compels NPCs and creatures to stare at it.

Sorry can't remember the name of the mod.

Edit: Ah, I found it! Hypnotic Lure spell

05.01.2007 21:03

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this one?

http://www.tessource.net/files/file.php?id=5223

Edit: Beaten to it, anyways they will walk towards an object something blind people wouldn't do, maybe just let them look away from you and use stopcombat??

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05.01.2007 21:05

Psychotic
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It would be best if they could behave similarly like they do when they have seen the player, but the player manages to hide again (by sneaking or by a spell). In those situations NPCs say stuff like "Where are you?" and run/walk around looking for you. The difference with the blind spell would be that the NPC will look around, but won't find anything even if the player is right in front of it... occasionally running into walls isn't bad either... as well as swinging a weapon blindly in mid air.

05.01.2007 21:14

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Which is pretty close to me spell (although the actors will keep making 180 degree turns) for evil guys, but what about walking through a town with this shield? they shouldt draw their swords chopping in think air just because they cant see anymore.

Edit: I didn't read your post, it isn't close at all Tongue

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05.01.2007 21:26

Psychotic
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Originally posted by Siesta Guru
...but what about walking through a town with this shield? they shouldt draw their swords chopping in think air just because they cant see anymore.

Err... yeah that's a pickle. Dunce

Can you detect if the block button is pressed via a script (I think you can with OBSE)? If there is a way to do that the blind effect will only be triggered if your shield is raised... and you'll have to restrain from raising your shield while in town. Tongue

05.01.2007 21:40

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Why dont we just scrap this idea? Its way too complicated and will probably look bad, the sun shield can stay ofcourse but will have some more common bonusses.

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05.01.2007 22:40

Psychotic
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You don't have to script it of course, but if someone else wants to give it a go I won't stop him.

05.01.2007 22:59

Siesta Guru
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allright, thats fine with me. But I think its way too complicated and will require obse, so scripters be warned!

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06.01.2007 10:15

Psychotic
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It's not a priority anyway.

06.01.2007 15:06

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