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VWA12 ?The Draft?

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A starting writer from Cyrodiil has set p his shop here. He sells and writes books (hence the name ?The Draft? as in book draft). A tip, maybe include unfinished books around the place. You are free to use your imagination.

Note: This claim is not granted until I (FLESH) ok it. Have fun Good job! .

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I have a week of absolute nothingness coming up and I do like bookshops so could I take a stab at this?
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Sure, granted Check Looking forward to it =) Have fun Good job!
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Has anyone any clue how to stop a book merchant selling ALL the books in his house?

The reason I ask is because this chap is a writer himself and so has his own little book collection and a few of his own (uncomplete) writings. He currently offers me every book in the house to buy even his own work and while he will have a few texts of his own for sale I dont want him to offer up the incomplete stuff.
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Has anyone any clue how to stop a book merchant selling ALL the books in his house?

The reason I ask is because this chap is a writer himself and so has his own little book collection and a few of his own (uncomplete) writings. He currently offers me every book in the house to buy even his own work and while he will have a few texts of his own for sale I dont want him to offer up the incomplete stuff.


Well, what happens if you mark that the book in question belongs to someone else? Will it mess with someething, because a theft is a theft so it doesn't matter there.

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I was thinking about something like that but as its just an interior I'm not to sure about who I would give ownership to - some guard in the imperial city? If only he had a wife Tongue
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I was thinking about something like that but as its just an interior I'm not to sure about who I would give ownership to - some guard in the imperial city? If only he had a wife Tongue


Hehe, just some random dude out there. :D

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If only there was a box I could tick "Non transferable" Tongue

He doesnt sell scrolls that are in his home so perhaps I could move the texts onto them instead, bits of paper etc. That would give them an unfinished look anyway :)
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Thats an elegant solution, I like that, man I'm gonna have to get working to keep up with you durdain. Downloading the CS now.

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hehe theres no race though I think your alright taking your time and enjoying it Good job!
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Try setting the value to 0

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Ah good idea il try that later on. :)
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Did it work?

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Still not tried it, been slightly busy - will get back when I try it though :)
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Try making it so that he only sells the books that you put into his merchant container, this is how it goes I think.
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How would I go about that then? Tongue

He has a box of books and its assigned as his merchant chest and he does sell them but he also sells the stuff on the shelves.

Its really quite annoying but I went to "First Edition" to see how that worked and if you buy say 8 copies of "Myth or Menace?" it will take 4 out of the book keepers box and the 4 remaining on show. I doubt that those on show will respawn so I could end up with a very barren book shop.

Welcome back by the way! :)

@Pepsi - It did indeed work thank you for the tip! Dancing Banana

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Don't make him the owner of the cell.

Create a generic faction (should be in the masterfile to help with merging but its not) Called ArenthiaCommon, and make them own the cell. Make him a member. He will be able to use the things and it will be stealing if you take it, but he will not sell them.

Set the value off of zero and make it something appropriate.

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Ah ok thank you, I was slightly cautious about making factions but that sounds like it should do the trick. :)
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Ok I think this is all done :)

Took me a while to get this complete, hopefully the AI, dialogue and everything is ok as I'm still quite new to that but I really quite like my interior. It also includes two new books which I hope are ok.

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I will try to test this soon, first day back in school so it's hectic. But it wont stay like that for long, two more days I suspect until I can get used to everything. That doesn't mean I wont be on here :D
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Have you had a chance to check this out yet FLESH? Just a friendly reminder I know your a busy man :)
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No, not yet Frown We really need a reviewer.
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No Worries :)
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My review is as follows:

Ground Floor:

The book that is sitting ontop of a couple of books (make a sort of dorway shape) on the bookcase is floating.

First Floor:

Careful with the papers, they are all floating. I didn't notice wether this changed in-game.

Upon play-testing:

The only problem is dialouge, remove the Gray Fox and Rumors topics (for rumors select Edit on your character and then select no rumors).

General Remarks:

Looks great, another job well done Good job!

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Il fix this stuff right now :)

The paper and book were floating ever so slightly but are now sat grounded. However in game if you "Z" them or initiate physics they will float and move around the shelf, do you want me to stop them doing this? Because its pretty much the case with all the books Tongue

I cant for the life of me find a Grey Fox topic to remove by the way, it hasnt once showed up while playtesting but he no longer has rumors at least.
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If the tiny floating stops them all from screwing up in-game, then keep it. About the Gray Fox, for some reason I got it I dunno
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Oh no the floating didn't stop them flying all over the place that it seems cant be stopped even when they are grounded, parchment is especially light and doesnt like to stack. I could always delete the book and remove a few pieces of paper, they aren't essential after all.

Its strange that you got the Gray Fox topic, how did you test it? I always edit the .ini so it loads up upon starting the game. (If that makes any difference Tongue ).
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I loaded a save game, then coc'ed to the cell. Thats how I always test my dialouge (for that is what the in-game testing is really about for me), and I never got anything I didn't put in before Confused
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hmm I'm stumped then, really quite odd.
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For now just try to fix everything else. It may be just something going on with my Oblivion.
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Hopefully sorted :)

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Abbrev.

F= Floating / B= Bleeding / S= Look at Screenshot / PG = Pathgrid / th = tetrahedron, point / sh = because of the silhouette / R = Resize / Re = Reposition / A = Adjust


General info.

Please add a version number to the name of your esp files. TIA


The Groundfloor.

Use an activatorflamenode04 etc. or add sound. It gives a nice sound of a burning fire.

Don't mix different classes of furniture in the same room. The desk, replace it by for example a table. You could place the desk in the bedroom (upperclass).

The first floor.

The bedroom.
Replace the MiddleBookshelf04 by an Upperclass shelf.


AI.

Make sure the packages are chronological (select a package and use the arrow keys L/R). Add a wander package. Duration == 0 and Time == any.
This ensure's that the NPC walks around (no other packages activated).

The travel (service package). Uncheck "continue if PC is near".
If the PC enters the shop (service package active) he will continue to offer services. No other packages will be activated.


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It's a nice interior.
No floating and bleeding etc.
Well done. Yes :)

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Ah thank you for the new review :)

About the class furniture problem is there strict guidlines regarding this? I know some things will look out of place if used together in the extreme but I felt the desk and book case fit quite well, especially considering it was middle/upper on the whole.

The AI packages were intentional actually, if the NPC travels upstairs to bed after he closes and PC is present then the PC is stuck in his store as he locks the door on completion of the package.

I'l try and correct everything as soon as possible anyway :)

By the way I must say your tutorials were very helpful in helping me create these interiors, thank you for writing them!
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About the class furniture problem is there strict guidlines regarding this? I know some things will look out of place if used together in the extreme but I felt the desk and book case fit quite well, especially considering it was middle/upper on the whole.

As explained by you it's a middle/upper on the whole. So it's fine. :)

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The AI packages were intentional actually

Noted.

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By the way I must say your tutorials were very helpful in helping me create these interiors, thank you for writing them!

Thank you. :)

This interior is almost ready for merging. Yes

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I have replaced the fire and added a light motivator so it isn't too dark and also placed the AI packets in chronological order.

I tried to put a wander package in but when it was either last or first in the list it just seemed to mess the travel/service packet up and then those succeeding it. As it is now Antius:

- Wakes at 7 am and has breakfast upstairs
- Travels downstairs at 8 am to the desk, opens shop and front door.
- At 6 pm closes shop and locks the door (but waits on PC if he is near so as not to lock him in).
- At 7 pm he eats dinner and then at 8 pm reads a book.
- at 10 pm he sleeps and starts over again. =)

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I added (last) the "aaaDefaultExploreEditorLoc1024", all the packages worked fine. Add this package and he'll wander. Change the lock of the door to "needs a key".



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Done and done :)

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Done and done :)


Yes, it's finished.

A nice interior. Well done! :) Yes

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Thank you Durdain for making the interior. And thank you Sandor for reviewing it. Moved to Archive.
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