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The Green Pact seams to be more that one law..
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strict "Green Pact" prohibits the use of wood or other vegetable
derivatives as building materials, and they are too improvident to
learn the use of stone. |
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are exclusively and religiously carnivorous. They cannot, or will not,
eat anything that is plant-based. They eat game, beastfolk, each other,
or meats imported from other regions. This part of the Green Pact is
known as the Meat Mandate, and, among its other rules, it requires that
a fallen enemy must be eaten completely before three days pass. The
family members of the warrior that slew the enemy may help him with his
meal. |
again it seams like the Green Pact is a lot of rules who the Bosmer
follow.. a pact to follow those rules.. pact with who though..
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"Very
smart of you to bring that wood along," said a gray-whiskered Breton
man next to him on his wagon. "You must be in Commerce."
"Of a sort," said Scotti, in a way he hoped was mysterious, before introducing himself: "Decumus Scotti."
"Gryf Mallon," said the man. "I'm a poet, actually a translator of old
Bosmer literature. I was researching some newly discovered tracts of
the Mnoriad Pley Bar two years ago when the war broke out and I had to
leave. You are no doubt familiar with the Mnoriad, if you're aware of
the Green Pact." |
This prove the part halfly wrong.. as as long as they dont make it themself it fine to them..
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origin of the Wood Elf aversion to cutting their own wood or eating any
plant material at all, yet paradoxically their willingness to import
plantstuff from other cultures, I feel can be linked to a passage in
the Mnoriad |
anyone want to speculate what the Mnoriad Pley Bar is?
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| translation of the Mnoriad Pley Bar |
translation.. sort of book?
And why do the PGE say toward's itself:
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P.G.E.
"Though they are excellent archers, the Green Pact forces their bowyers
and fletchers to use bone or similar materials, or to buy bows and
arrows from other cultures. The use of woodcrafts created by another
race is not forbidden, nor is the sale of their own Valenwood timber as long as it is collected by a non-Bosmeri.
"The Wood Elves, of course, cannot smoke anything of a vegetable
nature. Bone pipes are common, however, and are filled with
caterpillars or tree grubs.
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The redmarked is wrong.. or something like that.. since they attack
Khajiits who take down tree's..on Khajiit side of the Border..
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peered Scotti's direction, and his eyes lit up with delight, ?Decumus
Scotti! Precisely the man I hoped to see! I want to get your thoughts
on a rather puzzling passage in the Mnoriad Pley Bar! It begins 'I went
weeping into the world, searching for wonders,' perhaps you're familiar
with it?? |
From "A Dance in Fire"
Any help?
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Originally posted by Arbiter
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peered Scotti's direction, and his eyes lit up with delight, ?Decumus
Scotti! Precisely the man I hoped to see! I want to get your thoughts
on a rather puzzling passage in the Mnoriad Pley Bar! It begins 'I went
weeping into the world, searching for wonders,' perhaps you're familiar
with it?? |
From "A Dance in Fire"
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It suppost that it is a book..
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Yeah, no other viable explanation. But could be some tablet or something.
A book nonetheless.
I'm a lot more interested in seeing Green Pact implemented in actual game.
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Dance in the Fire
Green Pact will be implemented in the following way: Bosmer cannot cut
down thier trees, but they do not mind if the trees were imported.
Bosmer can use dead wood as the tree is already dead. I was thinking of
having Wood Carver shops where wood stuffs are sold, like carvings and
such.
It could be used to decorate homes, but would cost quite a bit because
it's imported, and would be like a delicasy to Bosmer because they
cannot make it themselfs.
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well are we following the other Green Pact law's to.. even if that happen anyway due to rebot of cell in 3 days..
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"Naturally, I don't pretend that the Mnoriad is as renowned as the Meh Ayleidion, or as ancient as the Dansir Gol,..."
"For a brief time the Colovian armies used Wood Elf archers, as in the
War of Rihad two years past. The Bosmer proved to be too undisciplined
and prone to desertion for further use. They would sometimes walk into
the shade of a single tree and vanish. Their forest-coupling skills are
remarkable. The title of their most famous poem, the Meh Ayleidion, means "The One Thousand Benefits of Hiding."
There is NO refference to Dansir Gol.
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Originally posted by Arbiter
"Naturally, I don't pretend that the Mnoriad is as renowned as the Meh Ayleidion, or as ancient as the Dansir Gol,..."
The title of their most famous poem, the Meh Ayleidion, means "The One Thousand Benefits of Hiding."
There is NO refference to Dansir Gol. |
And we know nothing about their most famous poem 
unsept that it is the benefits of hiding ofc..
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Well you can easily guess what's it about, but yeah, no idea about deeper meaning.
btw. what about Meat Mandate?
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are exclusively and religiously carnivorous. They cannot, or will not,
eat anything that is plant-based. They eat game, beastfolk, each other,
or meats imported from other regions. This part of the Green Pact is
known as the Meat Mandate, and, among its other rules, it requires that
a fallen enemy must be eaten completely before three days pass. The
family members of the warrior that slew the enemy may help him with his
meal. Needless to say, the Wood Elves do not like to engage in large
battles if they have not undergone a suitable starvation period. |
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Originally posted by Arbiter
Well you can easily guess what's it about, but yeah, no idea about deeper meaning.
btw. what about Meat Mandate?
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| "They
are exclusively and religiously carnivorous. They cannot, or will not,
eat anything that is plant-based. They eat game, beastfolk, each other,
or meats imported from other regions. This part of the Green Pact is
known as the Meat Mandate, and, among its other rules,
it requires that a fallen enemy must be eaten completely before three
days pass. The family members of the warrior that slew the enemy may
help him with his meal. Needless to say, the Wood Elves do not like to
engage in large battles if they have not undergone a suitable
starvation period. |
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I have it at near the top of first post.. and the red part will be easy 
any corpse is gone on 3 day's time anyway.. if not Quest corpse(or is it item..) should reflect a bit in dialogue..
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Hehe, missed that one.
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neither do we know what Dirith Yalmillhiad is.. and nothing on TIL either.. unsept Dance in a Fire, and it just say
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somewhat bothersome, actually, as I wanted to go to Woodhearth first to
talk to a Bosmer there who claims to have an original copy of Dirith
Yalmillhiad, if you can believe it. But for the time being, that has to wait. |
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It seems like the only source of Lore for VW is "A Dance in Fire" and "Pocket Guide"...
btw. are you their Lore master? You know lot of Bosmer lore. 
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P.G.E.
"Though they are excellent archers, the Green Pact forces their bowyers
and fletchers to use bone or similar materials, or to buy bows and
arrows from other cultures. The use of woodcrafts created by another
race is not forbidden, nor is the sale of their own Valenwood timber as long as it is collected by a non-Bosmeri.
"The Wood Elves, of course, cannot smoke anything of a vegetable
nature. Bone pipes are common, however, and are filled with
caterpillars or tree grubs.
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The redmarked is wrong.. or something like that.. since they attack
Khajiits who take down tree's..on Khajiit side of the Border..[/quote]
Not sure you can make that assertion Krisi - you might need to allow
for extremist groups, plus retaliation, plus ongoing dispute over who
owns an area of land = that's our land, don't steal our trees.
Please consider that if a Bosmer landowner has Ancient Title to an area
he will not want to give it up even if another nation lays claim to
overlordship of that area... such instances abound in RL, causing both
lengthy legal battles and armed dispute...
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Originally posted by raggidman
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Orginally posted by Krisi-_
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P.G.E.
"Though they are excellent archers, the Green Pact forces their bowyers
and fletchers to use bone or similar materials, or to buy bows and
arrows from other cultures. The use of woodcrafts created by another
race is not forbidden, nor is the sale of their own Valenwood timber as long as it is collected by a non-Bosmeri.
"The Wood Elves, of course, cannot smoke anything of a vegetable
nature. Bone pipes are common, however, and are filled with
caterpillars or tree grubs.
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The redmarked is wrong.. or something like that.. since they attack Khajiits who take down tree's... |
Not sure you can make that assertion Krisi - you might need to allow
for extremist groups, plus retaliation, plus ongoing dispute over who
owns an area of land = that's our land, don't steal our trees.
Please consider that if a Bosmer landowner has Ancient Title to an area
he will not want to give it up even if another nation lays claim to
overlordship of that area... such instances abound in RL, causing both
lengthy legal battles and armed dispute... |
Thats not to much of assertion.. thats stated in the book too.. (the
book who say the Khajiits attack and such..) and it was under a war but
that it was a law was stated aswell..
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word reached the Bosmer that trees were being felled (allegedly a crime
in the strange Bosmeri religion), a unit of archers were dispatched
from larger conflicts in the south. |
thus stating thats it wasnt a extremist group or anything else.. it was
the army of Valenwood(who had a army back then..) who attacked..
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Then that would be either misaprehension on the part of the character
in or author of the book, or it was an official 'excuse for a Border
dispute...
Not disputing that it was written - just thinking that the interpreting of it could use a bit more thought...
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Krisi-_
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Originally posted by raggidman
Then that would be either misaprehension on the part of the character
in or author of the book, or it was an official 'excuse for a Border
dispute...
Not disputing that it was written - just thinking that the interpreting of it could use a bit more thought... |
well... look at is this way.. The Army fo Valenwood fight the Khajiits
in the five years war.. one large battle front is fought and a group of
the Army is sent to kill a group of khajiit for cupping wood.. you dont
do this without a reason do you? and they needed no excuse.. the
Khajiits begune the war..
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Khajiit began the fight in an unusual way by sending tree-cutting teams
of Cathay-raht and the fearsome Senche-raht or "Battlecats" into the
outskirts of Valenwood's forests. When word reached the Bosmer that
trees were being felled (allegedly a crime in the strange Bosmeri
religion), a unit of archers were dispatched from larger conflicts in
the south. The Bosmer were thus goaded into splitting their forces into
smaller groups. |
he talks like it happened all the time..
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I'll just reply..
Green Pact
- Meat Mandate
- Do not eat plant nor fruit.
- Any slain enemy is to be eaten within 3 days, family can assist. *
- Trees
- Valenwood trees, illegal to cut. **
- Valenwood trees, legal to cut as long as done by no-bosmeri. **
- Trees from elsewhere than Valenwood is fine.
* Most likely imperial propaganda.
** Inconsistency. The illegal to cut is most resent. And unquestionable.
Raggidman @
The border appear to be ignored by Bosmer. As long as the tree is of
Valenwood origin it appear to be illegal to cut, even if it is done on
the Elsweyr side of the border.
The Imperials in Dance in a Fire is required to cut the wood elsewhere
and bring it to Valenwood by caravan. This appear to be the only way
wood enter this province. The Bosmer started the Five Years War because
of some (Khajiit) bandits raiding wood caravans from Cyrodiil.
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Not sure you can make that assertion Krisi - you might need to allow
for extremist groups, plus retaliation, plus ongoing dispute over who
owns an area of land = that's our land, don't steal our trees.
Please consider that if a Bosmer landowner has Ancient Title to an area
he will not want to give it up even if another nation lays claim to
overlordship of that area... such instances abound in RL, causing both
lengthy legal battles and armed dispute... |
No, I don't need to add those. The group attacking(ie retaliated) was
sent away from the conflict in the south(Five Years War) and was thus
members of whatever Army, Valenwood had at that time.
And in a battle/conflict you never send away more troops that you have
too. The Area in question is on the Elsweyr side of the border by the
way*. Its just Valenwood trees we're talking.
* I highly doubt that any Bosmer landlord own any land close to Dune in Elsweyr...
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Hey Mormacil windsurfer made the palm trees, also so valued info, thanks. 
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return for the patronage of Y'ffre, the Forest God (either one of the
old ancestor spirits or an aspect of the true pantheon), they swore
never to kill, injure, or eat any of the vegetation of the new home. |
New source.. thought its credibility might be questioned.. PGEv3
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Not as much as his contact info though 
Still need that, FLESH were are you?
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