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KuKulzA
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I was wondering what you guys were planning for Gilverdale, is it to be
permanently destroyed or did you guys have a plan for it's rebuilding?
Anyhow here is the info if you guys didn't know...
did you guys have plans for what it looked like BEFORE being destroyed?
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16 Sun's Dawn, 2920
Senchal, Anequina (modern day Elsweyr)
"What troubles you?" asked Queen Hasaama, noticing her husband's sour
mood. At the end of most Lovers' Days he was in an excellent mood,
dancing in the ballroom with all the guests, but tonight he retired
early. When she found him, he was curled in the bed, frowning.
"That blasted bard's tale about Polydor and Eloisa put me in a rotten state," he growled. "Why did he have to be so depressing?"
"But isn't that the truth of the tale, my dear? Weren't they doomed because of the cruel nature of the world?"
"It doesn't matter what the truth is, he did a rotten job of telling a
rotten tale, and I'm not going to let him do it anymore," King Dro'Zel
sprang from the bed. His eyes were rheumy with tears. "Where did they
say he was from again?"
"I believe Gilverdale in easternmost Valenwood," said the Queen, shaken. "My husband, what are you going to do?"
Dro'Zel was out of the room in a single spring, bounding up the stairs
to his tower. If Queen Hasaama knew what her husband was going to do,
she did not try to stop him. He had been erratic of late, prone to fits
and even occasional seizures. But she never suspected the depths of his
madness, and his loathing for the bard and his tale of the wickedness
and perversity found in mortal man.
19 Sun's Dawn, 2920
Gilverdale, Valenwood
"Listen to me again," said the old carpenter. "If cell three holds
worthless brass, then cell two holds the gold key. If cell one holds
the gold key, then cell three hold worthless brass. If cell two holds
worthless brass, then cell one holds the gold key."
"I understand," said the lady. "You told me. And so cell one holds the gold key, right?"
"No," said the carpenter. "Let me start from the top."
"Mama?" said the little boy, pulling on his mother's sleeve.
"Just one moment, dear, mother's talking," she said, concentrating on
the riddle. "You said 'cell three holds the golden key if cell two
holds worthless brass,' right?"
"No," said the carpenter patiently. "Cell three holds worthless brass, if cell two --"
"Mama!" cried the boy. His mother finally looked.
A bright red mist was pouring over the town in a wave, engulfing
building after building in its wake. Striding before was a red-skinned
giant. The Daedra Molag Bal. He was smiling.
29 Sun's Dawn, 2920
Gilverdale, Valenwood
Almalexia stopped her steed in the vast moor of mud to let him drink
from the river. He refused to, even seemed repelled by the water. It
struck her as odd: they had been making excellent time from Mournhold,
and surely he must be thirsty. She dismounted and joined her retinue.
"Where are we now?" she asked.
One of her ladies pulled out a map. "I thought we were approaching a town called Gilverdale."
Almalexia closed her eyes and opened them again quickly. The vision was
too much to bear. As her followers watched, she picked up a piece of
brick and a fragment of bone, and clutched them to her heart.
"We must continue on to Artaeum," she said quietly.
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FLESH
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Not much work being done while I?m on vacation I see 
Hmm, I honestly have never heard of it, I will check it out when I get back. I have one more week left.
Regards,
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01.09.2006 22:07 |
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Krisi-_
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there isn't much more to hear...
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01.09.2006 23:28 |
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KuKulzA
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exactly... it's destroyed...
but that's why I am proposing it...
maybe Valenwood wants to secure the border ya know... cause Gilverdale
was the easternmost town of Valenwood.... and since Khajiit settlers
are beginning to move across the border... Bosmer want to assert their
control....
so maybe a Bosmeri fort town... not sure how that'd look but who knows?
It'll be Fort Gilverdale... walls of clay brick from the mud of the
nearby river... a large monument of Molag Bal with an arrow through his
neck and a Bosmeri archer on his back shooting the arrow into the neck
or something.... sending a clear message to the Khajiit....
"you destroyed our border town long ago. Now if you come close we will kill you"
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02.09.2006 02:01 |
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KuKulzA
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aw c'mon, can't say it isn't an interesting idea!? 
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02.09.2006 05:11 |
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Krisi-_
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Originally posted by KuKulzA
exactly... it's destroyed...
but that's why I am proposing it...
maybe Valenwood wants to secure the border ya know... cause Gilverdale was the easternmost town of Valenwood.... and since Khajiit settlers are beginning to move across the border... Bosmer want to assert their control....
so maybe a Bosmeri fort town... |
Khajiits do what?!? I haven't heard that before....
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02.09.2006 10:55 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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When the empire takes from the east, the khajiit take from the west.
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03.09.2006 03:15 |
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KuKulzA
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Originally posted by Krisi-_
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Originally posted by KuKulzA
exactly... it's destroyed...
but that's why I am proposing it...
maybe Valenwood wants to secure the border ya know... cause Gilverdale was the easternmost town of Valenwood.... and since Khajiit settlers are beginning to move across the border... Bosmer want to assert their control....
so maybe a Bosmeri fort town... |
Khajiits do what?!? I haven't heard that before.... |
really... well I guess it didn't occur to you that for Khajiit to
settle the Xylo like they are, they'd need to have people go there...
and lots of them, cause many will die of Bosmer archers... so they need
to go there and make fortified towns along the river... so Khajiit are
going in and refusing to leave the Xylo river... |
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03.09.2006 03:16 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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The khajiit do not hold border forts, all movement ot the xylo is done
by individuals or small groups, the collective government of elsweyr
isn't a part of that.
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03.09.2006 03:18 |
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KuKulzA
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Originally posted by DarkAsmodeous
The khajiit do not hold border forts, all movement ot the xylo is done
by individuals or small groups, the collective government of elsweyr
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that's not what I mean...
I mean that the Khajiit there aren't little nice peasant refusing to
leave their land... they are rough Khajiiti who feel they deserve this
land and the Bosmer are savages deserving death... the settlers don't
go unarmed or unprepared, they go and probably have walls around their
small towns and such...
I do know the Khajiit government don't want trouble with Bosmer right
now... but they probably don't mind if some of their people settle that
reiver and increase their influence over that area...
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03.09.2006 03:25 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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You also have to understand Valenwood doesn't want trouble with elsweyr
either, so its not like ale of the bosmer in valenwood are attacking
these little settlements.
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03.09.2006 03:27 |
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KuKulzA
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Originally posted by DarkAsmodeous
You also have to understand Valenwood doesn't want trouble with elsweyr
either, so its not like ale of the bosmer in valenwood are attacking
these little settlements. |
no... but Valenwood doesn't have much of a
government... if a clan of Bosmer want to attack the Khajiit, they
attack... and if these settlers want to raid some Bosmer, they
attack... and they hate each other so... yeah...
well my idea was that Givlerdale was going to be rebuilt to limit Khajiit migration into the Xylo area...
not sure what you guys had planned for this situation of migration...
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03.09.2006 03:42 |
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Krisi-_
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the so called 'migration' is more of a reclaiming of their side of the
Xylo river.. the Bosmer have a 'leader' who dont want another war.. he
srinked enough the last time.. (not very good leader though.. if most
people want war so will he.. people = Bosmer )
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03.09.2006 09:49 |
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KuKulzA
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so I guess no plans for rebuilding Gilverdale... 
would've been cool... like an official land-grant from Silvenar or
Falinesti... "upon you roath we give you this land with the charge of
___ and thusly you will live on and protect this land from all enemies
of Valenwood and those who encroach and trespass" |
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07.09.2006 03:44 |
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Ebonyknight
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You could make Gliverdale a reward for the mainquest and you become the
lord and help build a small town and protect the border from smugglers
bandits khajjit warriors and so on
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07.09.2006 04:06 |
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KuKulzA
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Originally posted by Ebonyknight
You could make Gliverdale a reward for the mainquest and you become the
lord and help build a small town and protect the border from smugglers
bandits khajjit warriors and so on |
exactly what I was thinking...
but I'm not sure how the team feels about it...
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07.09.2006 04:10 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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A dead city is cool.
Valenwood does not yet have a MQ.
No idea what FLESH thinks, but I vote no.
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07.09.2006 04:45 |
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FLESH
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This could work for a quest for the VCC (Valenwood Construction Company), it's my own little thing that I hope to include
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10.09.2006 18:21 |
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raggidman
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Hold on a minute - this could work all ways. A dead city is cool. And
so is the chance to rebuild a city - not just a stronghold.
But we also have a suggestion that there be a 'shared border' between
Valenwood and Elsweyr for inter-mod skirmishes to take place and such.
So why not add in a basis for this skirmishing? Such as a The Lost Plans - A Proposal to Rebuild Gilverdale
Now if both the ruling factions get caught out by this and other
factions in both Provinces want to profit from it then there could be a
'situation' that spirals out of control...
That would make for loads of combat in the dead city long before the
player had any idea what the ... was going on - or thought he did. 
It makes for possible nefarious and good cross-border alliances, and can involve any combination of guilds or factions.
Also, once the entire city is re-built - it could be destroyed all over again!
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16.09.2006 23:16 |
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KuKulzA
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exactly...
or maybe you can make it yourself... finance it, specify the design,
khajiiti, Bosmeri, or maybe just Imperial... or maybe goblin....
populate it with any type... all sides will want something of the frontier area and you can be the one to decide...
enemies will attack it... but if you defend from it you're fine, if you
don't that's cool, build another! as long... as long as if you got the
money to...
so maybe you can hire orcs, or goblins, or ogres, or centaurs, or
Bosmer, or Khajiit, or Imperials or whoever.... and you can get revenue
from the profits of the town, and also if you really want to, disband
it and scrape it up the profits... 
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16.09.2006 23:25 |
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Ebonyknight
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maybe like Valenwood Trade Federation instead of Valenwood construction company?
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17.09.2006 05:32 |
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raggidman
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Still like the idea of Gilverdale being the bone of contention in the borderlands! - bump
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20.09.2006 23:35 |
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KuKulzA
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I agree with you... some would like it that way... others want tit to stay dead..
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21.09.2006 03:11 |
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raggidman
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Hey, sometimes dumb ideas are the best ideas. 
However the Elsweyr thread has connected into more complicated and
ambitious issues that we have been debating at some length. We have to
sort those over there before we can decide where the original stuff can
go...
Some things even if they are not thought doable still have to be taken
into account and worked into the balance, and sometimes that delays
more straightforward stuff.
Even so if Gilverdale becomes an important part of a 'Borderland' that
is a big step too... so folks are naturally considering their
options...
The more excellent Concept Art and stuff that you can come up with to
back your original idea the better. Consider even if Gilverdale is not
done as a Bordertown it could still serve as a 'Dead Town,' as in the
story.
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25.09.2006 22:23 |
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The Grey Wizard
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Just my two cents...
I really thought the idea of a Bosmer sticking an arrow through the
throat of Molag Baal sounded awsome. I think this should be a buildable
town like those in the Great House Morrowind quests. That would be very
cool. Maybe if you enter the "border control" guild called whatever,
that will be part of your quest. All in all, I think KuKu is on to
somthing very awsome sounding.
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09.10.2006 02:25 |
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Durdain
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The building of your own great house stronghold in Morrowind was
greatly missed by me in Oblivion and I would too love to see a return
of something similar.
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09.10.2006 16:05 |
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The Grey Wizard
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Agreed. I'm almost ready to get this height map ready for littering
cities, landscape, wilderness, and ruins. In other words it's almost
done. When the time comes, sooner then later, we will have more to do
with the actual devolpment of this city.
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11.10.2006 01:23 |
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raggidman
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the building and the burning down again when the Khajiit war party invades!
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11.10.2006 21:28 |
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and then retreats back there again before anyone can react! ...
just kidding