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Post here your contributions to the famous Valenwood Edition of the Botany Books

Please note that while it is the intention of the Botany Books to provide a service that is available in and to all the Provinces and to respect their requirements, strict observance of protocol and credit will be maintained, and the editor retains the right to withdraw the use of the Botany Books and contents from any group that does not fully understand and respect the normal and proper academic conventions. Judgement as to any dispute on this question must remain with the originator and editor.

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These names sound familiar too, if they are quotes from in-game stuff then it is very important to say so as this forms a powerful basis for your own input.

...snip...as what I want to do is create a differnt and clearly recognisable style for each of the different races.

Not sure which race yours would be as yet.

:alert: Having said this if there is anything more you can add from in-game - screenies of seeds, leaves etc, that will help us to create concept art and construct models later!

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I felt like writing something a little different today and came up with this. I hope it's suitable.

Valenwood Ironwood Tree - commonly known as the Ironbark Tree

The Ironwood tree is amongst the most hardy and well defended of flora in Tamriel. Reaching up to thirty feet in height, and ten feet in width, the tree is an impressive sight. Its bark is streaked with glowing silver-white veins that travel all the way from its substantial root-base up to the beginnings of the canopy, creating quite a spectacular, almost ethereal effect on the surrounding forest. The interior of the tree is a jelly-like mass of capillaries and sap, offering no usable wood. As the water content of the tree is so high, the bark is the only thing keeping it erect and thus must be extremely strong. The tree?s sap is extraordinarily nutritious, and the bark provides impressive defence from predators as a secondary function. In fact, it is so effective in this role that it is all but impossible for any creature without specialist tools to reach the sap (apart from near the top of the tree where the bark is weaker). The Leaf-Child clan of Bosmer who dwell near the Eastern coast of Valenwood hold these trees in very high regard, creating powerful medicines and all manner of foodstuffs from its sap. By doing this they break from the green pact that binds the rest of the Bosmer people, causing friction with the rest of their race that often manifests itself in open warfare. In fact, their culture appears to be a strange perversion of the rest of Bosmeri, for they eat and craft only from Iron trees, the consumption of flesh being taboo to them. The Children of the Leaf as they are often referred, are also the only creatures in Tamriel that are able to manipulate its bark. The bark of the Ironwood tree is comparable in strength to a thick plate of iron, hence the name. Although it can be cut using stronger metals such as Adamantium or through magical means, the only way to retrieve it and have it retain its natural elasticity is through the ancient Leaf-child art of Tying. Without this elasticity, the bark becomes brittle over time, losing its inherent strength. By marking out foot-high rings on young trees using the trailing vines from more mature specimens, Leaf-child woodcrafters can retrieve large amounts of the bark without the need for cutting. The process requires leaving such a tied tree for five years. By that time the bark will have grown up to a foot wider in diameter, the ironwood vines separating the tied rings from the main body of the tree. From here, Leaf-child woodcrafters can peel the thick rings of bark from the trunk of the tree, filling the gap with a thick resin to prevent infection and to retain stability. What processes the bark is subjected to next is a matter of much speculation amongst scholars, for when it is seen next by outsiders, it is in the form of beautifully crafted and polished bark armor, combining the strength of steel with the lightness of leather. The reader should note that such suits of armor are rare and only worn by the most important of the Leaf-Child Bosmeri.

edit by raggidman - just put in the new name that you suggested = Ironbark. An excellent name btw Yes

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maybe (since most Bosmer won't use vegetation, Green Pact) there is only a special clan of Bosmer who doesn't care of rthose rules and uses this bark?
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You what? Gah... Didn't know about that. Bugger and blast.

Thanks for the info. Just read the pact (wish I had a few hours ago). Man, and I thought hippies were bad! Now I hate the whiney little scrotes more than ever. That pretty much makes all I've written rubbish. Hmm... Time for some serious editing.

[Edit] Serious editing complete. This will most likely be the last Bosmer-related bit of writing I do. What a silly people.

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Silly? Esp since the Wood Elf is probably not big enuf (or strong enuf) to wear the average suit of Daedric Armor - except somehow armour always fits Wink

Good job! a worthy first for the Valenwood Edition that gets you a BB BSc Botany major with a minor in Lore (if the Perfessor concurs) - if you complete a second you could have a Botany Books Doctorate...How does Dr Treebiter sound to you? Tempting? :D
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Hmmm... I've always been a sucker for titles Pleased . Now I've read Dance in the Fire I feel more up to the task so I don't think another is out of the question.
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I am afraid Ironwood trees are native to skyrim:

Ironwood Nut is a hard-shelled fruit that comes from the ironwood trees growing deep in the forests of Skyrim. The wood of these trees is hard as the metal after which it is named. The very rare black variety of ironwood is said to produce a nut which is very succulent and believed to greaten the strength of the adventurer who is able to crack its shell and partake of it.
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I'll take your word-for-word for it.

Ironwood Nut comes from the Skyrim Ironwood trees. Does this mean that there are no other varieties of ironwood tree?
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well there I dont really know and the info comes form special flora of Tamriel

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Bugger... Not only did I fudge the lore, I also re-invented something that already exists in game. Honestly, I've never heard of the Ironwood tree you mention Krisi. I mentioned Bark armor in a piece of writing I submitted in this forum and thought I'd make some back story as to it's origins... Hence my Ironwood tree.

Can't I just change it to the Ironbark tree instead? Confused
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probably yeah and Oblivion have messed a bit with lore so you can get Ironwood Nuts ingame
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You can find some in the Imperial Library (in-game I mean) on a shelf. About three I think, and one of the only instances I know of.
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well if the count part of the CS work they have placed it 28 times
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As far as I knew I said, without checking the CS. Either way, it is really rare in Cyrodiil.

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Bugger... Not only did I fudge the lore, I also re-invented something that already exists in game. Honestly, I've never heard of the Ironwood tree you mention Krisi. I mentioned Bark armor in a piece of writing I submitted in this forum and thought I'd make some back story as to it's origins... Hence my Ironwood tree.

Can't I just change it to the Ironbark tree instead? Confused


Treebiter Good job! Yes to the name change!
No No thanks to the other offer, I don't do that sort of thing, I prefer girls... hint? If you accept there is more than one variety of Ironwood Tree then you can blend the old lore and the new = no waste.

Personally I like the Ironwood piece, so worry not, just adapt. Once there is a species mentioned in-game that can be the basis for different varieties unless the Lore forbids... which in this case it does not.

And I further like this idea (no matter if it is arrived at accidentally) because people will become confused between the comparatively rare Skyrim Ironwood and the common Valenwood Ironwood - commonly known as the Ironbark Tree? or is the Skyrim Ironwood common?


Assuming it is ok with you Krisi, I will copy your Ironwood quote to the Skyrim Edition - where I believe you will have the first entry - for this you get academic research recognition, but no degree. For that you have to create your own description!

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Then I will add that Domica Redwort is native to Valenwood but it is ingame (they didn't care if it just where valenwood it was in before)


:alert: Ingame :alert:
Domica Redwort is a herb grown by many residents of Valenwood for their beautiful and showy flowers. They attain a height of about three feet and have feathery leaves; the flowers are usually bright red. In addition to their beauty, they are said to have magical abilities to enhance the appearance of anyone who carries or wears one of the flowers.

:alert: Ingame :alert:
Arrowroot is a thick, rubbery tuber that can be found in the province of Valenwood. The plant is quite difficult to find as its aboveground foliage is very meager and scrawny. But the root itself can be most beneficial to the gatherer as it has magical properties. The paste made from grinding the root is quite wholesome and can improve the user's accuracy with a bow and arrow, or other missile weapon.

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Now you're motoring Krisi_ Dancing Banana

These names sound familiar too, if they are quotes from in-game stuff then it is very important to say so as this forms a powerful basis for your own input.

Would you keep inputtin stuff that you think of or find in this simple format, as what I want to do is create a differnt and clearly recognisable style for each of the different races.

Not sure which race yours would be as yet.

:alert: Having said this if there is anything more you can add from in-game - screenies of seeds, leaves etc, that will help us to create concept art and construct models later!

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they are ingame but Morrowind and Daggerfall lore says they are just in Valenwood and the devs didn't care.. btw happy with th :alert: 's?

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Smart move. another Good job! That will make it very clear to modders what is essential as we are bound to follow in-game Lore generally. Doctoral work (an extension of known Lore) is potentially negociable in theory, but I would be happy to find that moddelers can rely on the best entries here, and feel no need to alter ideas.

There again I am sure that someone will come along who has the knack of creating wonderful and unique models of plants and flowers that are so good that we happily put the cart before the horse and base Botany Books entries on their models. I dunno Pleased either way we all win.

PS there is now a Lit Dev recruitment thread - would you like to enter your name there and I will enroll you as a Research Assistant?
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Screenshots of the ingames and wen droped I didn't care to take screen since it looked wierd

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Good job! Nice one Krisi-_. This will give something for illustrators who do not have Oblivion capable computers to work from! Dancing Banana

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Arrowroot Effects:

Restore Agillity
Damage Luck
Fortify Strength
Burden

and I forgot the Domica Redwort(it will be up soon)
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Looking forward to your Domica Redwort, and hope you are having fun with all this! Good job! Yes
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Domica Redwort Effects:

Resist Frost
Cure Poison
Damage Health
Invisibility
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Good job Krisi Good job! . Can't wait to see some more.
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