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Mormacil
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Boats, some new Lore

That's right, I forgot to post this a while back, ok just a few days Tongue

Anyway, I was playing OB and I was playing that Thief cave/pirateship DLC. In the captain's diary he mentions "he had a whole fleet, even some of those Bosmer ships with living sails". So I guess we need some new art people Tongue

I have no clue how it looks honestly, any thoughts?

14.03.2007 22:55

Richard
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RE: Boats, osme new Lore

I'd imagine (and seeing as Skyrim has been rather inactive lately I'll do some imagining here instead) that it's like a special tree as the mast with large leaves which are tied into the shape of a sail to catch the wind.

Although what would the rest of the boat be made out of? Rock???? Animal hair??? Or as a serious suggestion, bone? Whatever the material, the boats in question probably could not be very big.

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15.03.2007 02:19

KuKulzA
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fingernails... fingernails yess....

as for living sails... maybe a fungus that grows from a sort of mast, and it eats microorganisms in the air, but will only extend (like canvas unfurling) when the wind is blowing (to maximize micro-organismintake) I dunno

and occasionaly you see a small sea-bird stuck in the living fungal sail?

15.03.2007 02:27

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Mormacil
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Some sort of Ivy/fungus that eats all small organism that fly into it? So very small birds, bugs etc. Perhaps a mise that was stupid enough to climb in the sail

As for a metarial to make the ship of well we could make a large skeleton out of bones, then put some hides around it, finish it up with tar. Should be waterthight. Then well I guess we really need a swamparea to make all these boats Tongue

15.03.2007 11:01

Krisi-_
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The rest of the boat could be alive, and more or less a tree...

15.03.2007 15:17

InsanitySorrow
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A boat that can feel your movements on it and moves under your feet when its uncomfortable, a living boat if you will. It could have been done through magic to keep the wood in top condition or something.

15.03.2007 15:23

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Mormacil
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Leaves could be used for canoes, but boats? Usually if you don't use wood you use bark or twigs, both can't in this case... So either an insect shell of bones and hides (and tar).

15.03.2007 23:44

KuKulzA
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a whale skeleton... mended with rope and hide, lashed together...
using the spine as the keel and the ribs as the sides... the skull bones will be filed down to a point for a ram and the jaw bones carefully cured and lashed to make a mast... the tail fins made into a rudder... and a fungus grown on the mast that can unfurl with wind to be a living sail...

three birds try to sit... one gets on the rope, one lands on the fungus... and the other in fright decides not to sit on the living sail... the sail on one side is unfurling but the other side's is a bit slower, obviously a slight concern for a Bosmeri ship captain, maybe they ought to feed the other side some more so that it'll extend as fast as the one that is extended right now

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17.03.2007 00:27

Mormacil
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Love it

but perhaps let the ribs be only visible from the inside.

17.03.2007 14:44

KuKulzA
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quote:

Originally posted by Mormacil
Love it

but perhaps let the ribs be only visible from the inside.

I love it too! but perhaps you are right, have the ribs as an inside frame Yes

long whale baleen lashed to an ivory pole... makes an oar?
looking like a broom except the balenn is greased and tied up so that it makes a good paddle?

no vegetation material, so we needs to be creative Yes

or maybe they use tuna-tails

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20.03.2007 01:54

Mormacil
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The sail lives, so it has to be organic. Bosmer use lots of plants, just don't hurt them Wink

20.03.2007 02:06

KuKulzA
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quote:

Originally posted by Mormacil
The sail lives, so it has to be organic. Bosmer use lots of plants, just don't hurt them Wink

eh, well could be a fungus... then again who knows, they might regard plantae and fungi as the same I dunno

20.03.2007 02:36

Durdain
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Love the concept and nice bit o' lore spotting Morm

Where the captain says 'living' sails do you think he could be referring to a creature rather than a plant/organsim? The Bosmer are famed after all for their 'beast tongue' ability. I wonder if we couldn't have some great bird using its wings as a sail, but then one wonders why it doesn't just fly them away like an Egyptian Roc.

Perhaps those squirrels that (I think) are found in rainforests, the ones that 'glide' down from the treetops could act as sail for them? They could be the Captain's own 'pet' that, when there is a good wind a' blowing could jump up off of his/her shoulder and up onto the mast

one of these

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21.03.2007 22:26

Mormacil
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When you said creature I immedialty thought of such a squirrel. You're right about that beast tongue, we should really use it, but I'm not sure how well it could be used as a sail. You got to feed'm you know Wink

So I put my money on the fungus. It would be nice if some more people have an opinion.

21.03.2007 23:45

KuKulzA
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so a GIANT squirrel hanging onto a mast?

sounds funny, but still a cool idea

22.03.2007 03:49

Durdain
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I think it coud work heh, could even not be a squirrel and instead some other beast with large wind catching limbs of some sort - cant think of anything at the moment but I'm sure theres room fo further thought there.

How about an actual plant? With the stalk as a the mast and the petals as sails? I wish I could draw but I cant so I'll let others conceptualise that on paper Tongue

Got a cracking image in my mind though...

22.03.2007 22:55

FLESH
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I love that concept art up there. I never really thought about boats, would they be grown like some of our houses. Also we would need some big creatures to have those type of ribs

24.03.2007 11:31

Richard
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quote:

Originally posted by Durdain

How about an actual plant? With the stalk as a the mast and the petals as sails? I wish I could draw but I cant so I'll let others conceptualise that on paper Tongue

Got a cracking image in my mind though...

I totally already said that! Well I said big leaves instead of petals, but near enough lol

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24.03.2007 14:31

KuKulzA
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quote:

Originally posted by FLESH
Also we would need some big creatures to have those type of ribs

whales.... hydra... giants... lots of Bosmer bones lashed together, maybe 10000o skeletons...

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24.03.2007 16:14

Durdain
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quote:

Originally posted by Richard

quote:

Originally posted by Durdain

How about an actual plant? With the stalk as a the mast and the petals as sails? I wish I could draw but I cant so I'll let others conceptualise that on paper Tongue

Got a cracking image in my mind though...

I totally already said that! Well I said big leaves instead of petals, but near enough lol

haha sorry :p

*Must read thread more thoroughly*

28.03.2007 13:13

Lutemoth
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I drew this for my friend Sload to further illustrate his aldmeri dominion invertebrates. Sky jelly-fish, if you will.

my memory of the creature isn't crystal, but it is of a variety of species that are used for living sails (I believe the Igma themselves fashion these animals into kites). The sheath and stalk are retracted and extracted to hunt carnivorously.

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05.07.2007 18:01

Mormacil
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Nice, very nice

05.07.2007 19:46

Leo
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pretty good! thats it your doing the flora!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no seriously you should. Good job!

05.07.2007 22:38

JAAdventurer
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I like the idea of the entire boat being alive, like a water plant of sorts. It's not hurting the plant, and it would be really cool.

25.03.2008 22:29

raggidman
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Cor! Skelly-Jelly Fish! Love them goo goo eyes

He who is also known as: Lord Sload Wink

depending

25.03.2008 22:54

chris 07
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I know I'm late but great drawing and I like the boat idea!

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26.03.2008 06:36

raggidman
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Reality.

You are not going to nail a squirrel to the Mast, are you?

I think we can safely ignore the squirrel bit Shh

Hows about adapting Lutemoth's concept that seems to draw on the Netches of Morrowind

Instead of parasol-shaped, start with rectangular Valenwood Creatures that hang themselves from Tree Branches to catch vegetable and animal matter falling from higher branches, plus unwary creatures Wink

They still live in Valenwood - watch out for the more mobile and active varieties that are big enough to eat a Human or Mer!

Then the Bosmer began to use them as as rubbish bins and a source of leather.

Later they attached them to spindles to power grinders to gind bone meal and such

Until finally hung from crossyards of ships as living sails?

26.03.2008 13:44

FLESH
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I have never seen that before today Eek 1

Very nice piece of work, organic boats FTW

26.03.2008 14:43

chris 07
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yeah very good idea's...organic ships who would've thought? Good job!

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