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Durdain
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Registration Date: 15.08.2006
Posts: 400
Location: Wigan, England
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Not me!
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windsurfer
Seigneur
Registration Date: 03.10.2006
Posts: 639
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Was there ever moderators for the core forum? Check the other board (skyrim etc)
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17.04.2008 16:10 |
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FLESH
Archduke
Registration Date: 23.06.2006
Posts: 2,824
Location: Ireland
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Nope, never was. Who made the request?
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17.04.2008 17:37 |
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FLESH
Archduke
Registration Date: 23.06.2006
Posts: 2,824
Location: Ireland
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Raggidman: The Core is meant to be a place where no one has moderator
powers, so that conversation can go on without censorship. Core forums
are always created without adding any moderators.
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17.04.2008 18:21 |
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raggidman
Prince
Registration Date: 06.01.2006
Posts: 3,330
Location: where my heart is
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You have no proper place here FLESH and therefore no proper opinion on this.
I have always had moderator powers here - until today - wonder how that changed, eh? And why today?
I have put up with your BS long enough. Just understand there are several reasons why I am acting now.
People have begun to message me about what is going on
First off DAs warned you not to try to have a go at me and grab the
leadership here - after he had posted an agressive statement here in
the Forum about supporting your view re seeking another home for
Valenwood.
I had a chat with DAs and he has agreed not to interfere in that way
here again - and remains welcome here as he will keep his word, though
I am uneasy that he did not contact me in the Elweyr Core about the
matter in the forst place. Guess who told me what he had said to you.
Well I explained to him that if he attempted to threaten Valenwood
again or interfere in Valenwood internal matters I would leave Elsweyr
- now that should tell you something FLESH.
You should also realise that I have been as hard on Razorwing ashe has
been with me - by his choice. But also by his choice he has not deleted
my account here. Wonder why eh? You do remember that I used to be a
global moderator to the entire Site? And briefly had ST Core access?
I loathe and despise cheap bullies - whether they try to bully me or
others such people have no place in a mod - least of all in the Core or
with Moderator Powers. There was a recent instance of that in Elsweyr
and I dealt with that so severely that people (including myself) were a
bit shocked because it seemed to them only one instance. And you have
been trying to bully me and intimidate peole on the Forums here for
some time
You have also been lying to everyone about how you have been behaving
You have interfered with my work for your own personal gain and
purposes other than those concerned with improving that work - and my
words are my work FLESH
Although you are not formally a member of the current Core and
therefore not entitled to moderator powers you have used them to delete
an important post of minie in a live thread. You did this while I was
offline and someone saw it happening. They messaged me immediately as
they could not believe their eyes. That in itself could have you banned.
You pretended to apologise and claimed that it was an accident and that
you were really Archiving my post? HOW DARE YOU interfere in any way
with my posts! You are not a Core member and therefore not part of the
Co-leadership here either.
The only reason I did not suggest that your moderator powers be removed
immediately we formed the new Core and Leadership was not that I felt
you were a friend to me (though I mistakenly did) but more importantly
I tought you a friend to Valenwood and trusted you - as apparently
others have done.
You have abused that trust time and again and lost any claim to my
friendship - here or publicly and I believe you are still lying to
others. So you are no friend to Valenwood either.
If you had come out openly in the first place and simply said that not
only do you oppose the offer that was made to me re moving BC mods, but
that you opposed my membership of the Core and such that would have
been legitimate protest that I would not haven enjoyed, but as over the
moving the mod matter I would have had to deal with it on its own
merits.
But you did not have the honesty to do that, and by your actions you
have harmedmy efforts to recruit a sustainable the membership here an
ddirect them into paths that would enable us to make serious progress
with modelling Valenwood.
You did note what happened to Solar Rain recently? How someone trashed
his web site and e-mail? He came back here to discover I had been
e-mailing him, and pmming him, and that I had created a thread
specially to showcase his music - and how did he respond? We chatted
and he created several new pieces. Hell FLESH you actually refused to
do that for him a looong time ago when I asked you. This obstructive
stupidity is not a new thing is it?
On top of everything else you don't have a clue how to run a mod
properly - you do not have enough experience to jusge the worth of
various actions an dyou want to sabotage the efforts of those who do -
so you are a liability.
We can find a heightmapper elsewhere, we may or may not get speed tree,
but there are other programmes, or we can bloody well invent our own
speed tree!
And I sort of believe that inventing our own would giveus a dam sight more flexibility than Speed tree does 
If you want you can stay on as a valued contributing ordinary member -
you have a lot to offer but that is as far as anyone who really has the
best interests of Valenwood and its modders at heart will permit.
One last little point. If have to go I will not only explain to all the
people I have invited why I am going, I will invite them to set up
another Valenwood with that other host. I see no reason why they should
have their work be demeaned or at risk from the likes of you.
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17.04.2008 20:29 |
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FLESH
Archduke
Registration Date: 23.06.2006
Posts: 2,824
Location: Ireland
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You know raggidman, you really are just a bad person, I used to have
different opinions of you before, but it seems I have learned the real
you when I became a new source of hate for you. Just as Razorwing was.
If you had moderator powers, why did that not show up beside the forum
like all the others? Perhaps I'm wrong, but that doesn't really matter.
FC4 PMed you, I know all about it. He was trying to solve our conflict,
god bless him, but it's obvious you are just too stubborn. Guess what?
Your lie just fell through, no one Pmed you about me deleting your
thread. It was about trying to solve our conflict, and what did you do?
You used that as ammunition, to flame and publicly attack me. And I'm
the bully? DA warned me of nothing, not in the way you say it. I told
Windsurfer already, I don't want to be leader, PERIOD! I don't give two
hoots about wether you leave or not.
You haven't been hard on Razorwing, you have been forming a web of lies
to suit your own means. In my opinion Razorwing should just remove the
nuasance that is you from the entire forum, delete your accunt and
block your IP, something that you can't do. You flame Razorwing, just
as you are doing with me, shame on you. I am 16 years of age, perhaps
some of you didn't know that, I started leading the mod when I was only
13. How old are you meant to be again? Act your age you fool.
I have neither bullied nor intimidated anyone. Perhaps it's time people
find out what you posted in the Elsweyr Core Forums? Or what you have
been threating me with? You want to ban me from the forums, and make a
motion to remove me from the mod. Now who is bullying who Raggidman?
You are nothing but a dirty liar and one that takes sucker punches at
that.
I have not lied to anyone about how I have been behaving, how can I if
everyone can plainly see what I do? You on the other hand, form
yourself to be some sort of God. FC4 is impartial to the conflict and
is disgusted that you have used him in such a way, frankly, so am I.
This important post of yours ey? In this post you openly flame me. You
say I bully memebers? But at the opening of it you tell Rickious not to
draw concepts for a boat because we have a narmatee concept, wtf is
that meant to be RM? A couple of people read that post, so they know
what it said. And again you use FC4. What can have me banned? You plan
to ban me? Ha you cheap bully with nothing but lying threats.
I sent you a PM apologising for deleting your post. Saying that I tried
to archive it, but it did not show up on the list because it was too
far down, so I chose to delete it as all it did was flame me. Nothing
was an accident, and I was only sorry that the post was made in the
first place. But even after my apology to send me a PM back, putting
yourself above me in it. How dare you post such lies about me out in
the public? I don't care if I'm not Co-member, or co-leader, I still
had the power to delete that post, and I excersised it because of what
it said, and because it contributed nothing to the current discussion,
hence it was spam. Which seems to be your speciality.
I can never be your friend RM, not to such a person as you. You don't
have the power to claim I'm not a friend to Valenwood, as my past deeds
have earned me atleast that title. I opposed the offer to move the BC
mods, and Valenwood. I thought that was quite clear? We have a good
thing going here, even if you fail to see it because of your prejudice.
I don't oppose your membership of the core, you too have earned a place
here. I have harmed efforts to recruit? you are the only one doing that
with your open attacks on me and your pursuit of having them out in the
open also.
Not only did I note what happened to Solar-Rain, but I was the first
one to talk to him when he got everything fixed, so I don't know what
you are on about there. Don't be so ignorant as to think YOU made him
create new music, please, thats just about the dumbest thing. I
e-mailed him, but it's quite obvious that since his E-MAIL was trashed
he couldn't use it, but I sometimes forget your ability to not see
logicly. And you have the nerve to call me stupid? And lie about me
refusing something? For gods sake raggidman please remember that
everyone in the core is reading how dumb that sounds.
Thank you for saying I don't have a clue to run a mod. That feels nice
after I resurrected Valenwood all that time ago and got new members
into it, as well as assets. Now you say I am a liability? So how can
you expect anyone to believe I have been bullying you after that?
Find a new heightmapper, I don't mind. And good luck creating anything
as advanced and flexible as SpeedTree you old fool. In your reply to my
apology PM, blame me for us not having a heightmap, and that I lied to
you about us having one, and that you would remember what I did. Not
only is that spitefull raggidman, but it is also a lie. We had a
heightmap, and I didn't exclusively tell you that we had one. I told
everyone we had one because we did. And it was going to get finished,
unfortunately TheGreyWizard cannot complete that anymore (we needed
mountains, to be added, something to not make the map so flat), so that
meant we needed a new one. And I just happened to have the ability to
make one. But you reject that? Fine, then to hell with you.
Now to everyone who has just had to read that. To all our Core Members.
I have had a great time working on Valenwood, and I believe I made a
difference. Unfortunately the last couple of months I had not been able
to participate. I had internet outage for 3 months, and when I got it
back I just wasn't ready to come back to Valenwood. I got scared, I
admitted this to several people, but now you all know it. Leading a mod
on your own is overwhelliming, Mormacil can attest to that.
I never wanted to take back leadership, as I can't right now. I am
going through a very important school year, the final examinations of
which will go on a permanent record and all my future employers will be
able to see how I did. So naturally it's important that I study much.
However I was willing to set asside free time for Valenwood, hoping to
contribute to it once again. I see I am not needed (if I was leader I
would never reject a member, I said this to Razorwing in a PM once, and
I stand by it). I'm sorry that you had to PM me for some reason
Windsurfer, but obviously raggidman had talked to you, and now you also
think I should not be part of this (even though you say in your PM you
have no major problem with my activity, it's sort of obvious that if
you had to send a PM there was a problem).
So I formally resign, and I ask one humble thing from all of you, I ask
you that you remember me, and that you do not let any posts raggidman
will eventually make about (Perhaps a new member asking who I was)
stain that memory. If I deserve anything, I deserve that much. I love
Valenwood, and many of you have become dear friends to me. I hope we
may meet again somewhere. There is only one person responsible for me
leaving, that person is raggidman. I hope you all will remember the
good things that I did, and not the bad such as the post I just made.
Please, if you are going to post something, let it be either farewell,
or good ridance, do not try to solve this problem. FC4 tried, this is
the result. I am beyond negotiating with the monster that I have come
to see Raggidman as.
Once again, good bye to you all, and I wish you all the best of luck on Valenwood.
Love,
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Durdain
Baron
Registration Date: 15.08.2006
Posts: 400
Location: Wigan, England
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You cannot know who is telling the truth on an internet forum like
this, there have been messages flying all over and all you have to
believe one person over another is your OWN experience of that person.
Both FLESH and Raggidman contribute heavily to this mod, there has been
a lot of underhand activity in my opinion and this gulf has appeared.
It pointless and is drawing away from the mods progress. FLESH I for
one have nothing against you, never have - people have been talked into
believing stuff and now were at this point.
Id rather not lose either of you, I think all mod powers shud be
revoked except for Jay Khay thus levelling the playing field and we can
all crack on together, even if you two hate each other guts.
STAY STAY STAY STAY STAY STAY STAY STAY STAY STAY STAY.
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17.04.2008 22:07 |
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raggidman
Prince
Registration Date: 06.01.2006
Posts: 3,330
Location: where my heart is
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Message from Rickious, on 16.04.2008 16:20
RE: Hi there and welcome
you did a long reply in the main quest bit about FLESH then it
dissapeared. did you or he delete it? I will have a scoot around now.
Will do some beetle boat ideas anyway, but not specific to anything,
just in my thread.
-----Original Message-----
From: raggidman
Date: 16.04.2008 17:13
To: Rickious
Subject: Hi there and welcome
I don't want to spoil FC4's fun. So I am trying to lead him through
options to give him a chance to choose something workable. But ty -
please check the concept art wanted threads - there is really loads of
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Message from FC4, on 17.04.2008 19:45
RE: chill
The only reason I support his deletion of your post was because it was
flame baiting and counter-productive to the discussion. However, I
personally think it was productive ENOUGH to warrant being kept. You
did voice an opinion, and made a statement, just went about it the
wrong way. |
This is all a bit late in the day. I did not seek a power struggle - I
was handed one I did not want - and was seen to react to it. Any others
who did not see FLESH's actions will wonder what is going on. I
expected you guys to have seen through it all because you have been
here all along, but I guess some of you had the goodfortune just to be
busy being modders.
FC4 approached me about this. Aso Rickious and so I had to respond.
Before I was dragged into this I was busy just trying to get people
into Valenwood with a focus on Green Pact so we could get some progress
in creating our own models and tilesets and the essentials. As stated
before :snort: without that there isi no Valenwood.
I am human however, and when messed about enough I must react.
I do not unpin your posts as was happening to me. If you pin stuff
(forget respect) I know it is useful to what you are trying to
accomplish so I leave it. Along with everything else my threads were
being unpinned.
Do you know, I believed everyone here had moderator powers in the Core - because 
I have always had them since before Valenwood and Elsweyr etc were
formed. I never used them in the Core except to pin a couple of threads
- the Botany Books for one as you can see. Maybe if I had not done that
things would have been different. That is too far back to say really.
If I just wanted to hurt FLESH, once I realised that you lot did not
have them, I could have delled loads of FLESH posts in the Core and
then sat back to watch the fun. And you would never have even looked my
way. I would be in the clear! And FLESH would have imploded.
I do know that I see moderator powers basically as a tool to create
stuff and bring different things to the attention of passers by as well
as regulars - stuff on the forums. Not to unpin other's works in
progress.
If you say to me it was just a personality clash then I will say - yes,
but not one I sought and one I tried to work around unsuccessfully
because FLESH had decided not to give me the chance, whatever his
motivations - perhaps becausehe thought I would not defend myself and
what I believe in - I believe in others. But I think that FLESH truly
believed in Razorwing without questioning his limitations - we all have
those - limitations. Up to now no one could really say I have upset
anyone - but now I grieve because I was aware of FLESH's youth and I
saw FLESH as a friend even when he said the odd thing long ago that
annoyed me I believed in him. I thik I knew him before most of you.
But I can only take so much and after a certain point I decided I had
to defend what I was doing and myself too. If any you did not see what
was going on it just makes it clear to me that it was well calculated.
And yes I did message FLESH and try to tell him that he was going too
far and I would be forced to defend my work and the other people
involved. Maybe in x years time FLESH will find himself in the same
position as I am in - I wonder if he will even remember what happened
here? Hopefully he will do better than I have done with FLESH because
he will then have both sides.
I am also saddened if you have been distressed by what has happened.
And I will try to get back to what I was doing, but right now, though I
was never a drinker, this has been one ofthe bitterest days I can
remember nad I need a bloody good long drink - another thing I will
have to forgo because of hyperglaecemia, diabetes and pancreatitis.
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17.04.2008 22:08 |
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windsurfer
Seigneur
Registration Date: 03.10.2006
Posts: 639
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Durdain I fully agree with what you say. This joint thing is not
working so lets go just to one leader and see what happerns.
Raggid that proves nothing? It agrees with what FLESH said actualy "about FLESH".
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17.04.2008 22:16 |
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Durdain
Baron
Registration Date: 15.08.2006
Posts: 400
Location: Wigan, England
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A long reply about FLESH?
I dont imagine it was anything good then?? Probably why he deleted it no? Also why he admitted it.
Regardless, it was ONE post. You can both crack on and get over it.
Now FLESH has all but gone whatever happens - he's stepped down as core
member but I will not see him leave the mod alltogether. He has been
part of it for far too long. You can both hate each other, just do not
let it affect the mods progress!
It cannot keep on like this, not heathly for the mod at all. Hate each
other, just dont do it on the main forum. There is so much goin on
right now its not fair.
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17.04.2008 22:22 |
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FLESH
Archduke
Registration Date: 23.06.2006
Posts: 2,824
Location: Ireland
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I will step down as Core member, and will ask Razorwing to remove my
moderator powers. You have been going well jointly, so I suggest you
keep on at it.
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17.04.2008 22:24 |
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Lady Nerevar
Marquise
Registration Date: 04.01.2006
Posts: 1,297
Location: Not in hiding anymore
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I suppose ill make this a farewell. however, that doesn't mean ill pass on the opportunity to chide [both of] you.
leading a mod -- or even partaking in one -- is all about cooperation.
if you cant get the gosh over not liking each other the mod wont get
anywhere no matter what good intentions you might have. your opinions
differ, sometimes a lot, but I would expect both of you to be mature
enough to sort it out. if you cant settle it yourself you should have
called on us -- the other core members -- to help you with it. a core
is about cooperation, not individual decision based on shinny buttons
and the illusion of authority. this should have been settled in a civil
manner, not an all out ultimatum.
point is, that none of you have a plan. you know that models are
needed, and concepts for models. but what models, when, how? what are
you making, at this very moment, and what is the highest priority for
its completion? for fucks sake, a hightmap should be top priority, not
a sea creature -- no matter how cool it may be. if you dont have a plan
and dont know everyones proper place in it all you will get after years
of effort is a big bucket of epic fail.
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17.04.2008 22:28 |
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Durdain
Baron
Registration Date: 15.08.2006
Posts: 400
Location: Wigan, England
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Heightmap > Sea Creature anyday of the week. As far as I was aware
these things were going along. FLESH has the HM and the Sea Creature
was concepted and modelled. The Islands are priority until the HM is
sorted, in the meantime the concepting of the inland is happening,
modellers are screaming out for clutter concepts and we just now on the
verge of getting them.
Your right that this shoud of been sorted civilly and not with this appaulingly childish ultimatum.
Did your last post indicate that your leaving too or was that just a
farewell to FLESH? I appreciate the pessemism by the way, God knows we
all really needed telling that we are a (fantastic internet wanky
phrase) big bucket of epic fail.
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17.04.2008 22:42 |
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Durdain
Baron
Registration Date: 15.08.2006
Posts: 400
Location: Wigan, England
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Oh right thats loads better, not pessemistic at all either.
Since your not leaving you wanna come up with a plan for us numptys?
FLESH is still doing the HM, concepts are still on offer, a few
creatures have been taken and the clutter is coming along. Windsurfer
has just finished his spidy tileset and the island main quest is
probably what needs to be sorted in order to get that area wrapped up.
(Aside from some ints).
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17.04.2008 23:06 |
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FLESH
Archduke
Registration Date: 23.06.2006
Posts: 2,824
Location: Ireland
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Hold with the plans please. And look towards the horizon. One shall come soon and you can discuss
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17.04.2008 23:08 |
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Durdain
Baron
Registration Date: 15.08.2006
Posts: 400
Location: Wigan, England
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Heightmapping is a tough job, it will take time!
Tree and flora claims are the most interesting to me. Id rather have
the creatures on the backburner even if they are the most fun for
concepters. We put the beasties in the canopy right?
If we can get a few tree ideas out there perhaps we can get them
modelled so we can have stucture to our forest. I will write up (or try
my best to) descriptions for the botany books. We have overlooked flora
for such a long time like you say. Id like to know what plants we have
on the islands I know Windsurfer has created lots and lots of plants
for the islands so we could do with documenting them.
Good news on the lcutter concepts, JAA will have sommat to do then 
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17.04.2008 23:25 |
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DarkAsmodeous
King of the Kittens
Registration Date: 25.05.2006
Posts: 4,317
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I only read fractions of your post raggidman, but stopped when I reached the accusations regarding my behavior here.
"You misunderstand my point.
My offer to help VW stands regardless, I was cautioning FLESH against
looking for authority he couldn't handle, he already left once, and
though I won't hold it against him for the rest of time, I was saying
IF he became leader, he needs to be honest with the team about his
commitment.
Seems we simply have a misunderstanding."
Remember that PM? The one I sent PMs afterwards asking if all was cleared up that you ignored?
I've never threatened anyone with anything, only offered my help here,
with the only condition being that IF FLESH accepted leadership, that
he mean it and not bail out again. So get off it.
FLESH has bullied no one, and you're modeling the behavior that you chastise me for in the fictional events already adressed.
You want to talk changes, let's talk changes, but I'm not reading that
spew of hate on the previous page, and I implore FLESH to remain.
If this mod core, the only movement we have, falls apart from
non-existant turmoil, I let you know now that you have no one to point
your finger at but yourself.
And I have never, nor has anyone, had moderator powers over the core
forum in Elsweyr, and have never talked to anyone about any such
matters. But if any of this spills over into Elsweyr than I WILL
request such powers and delete them post-haste.
Get it together.
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windsurfer
Seigneur
Registration Date: 03.10.2006
Posts: 639
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He came at my request so he is not late. I've been hearing more and
more about your bullshit raggid and only heard positive about FLESH.
You may soon lose my freindship (which trust me is a hard thing to do).
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18.04.2008 16:52 |
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windsurfer
Seigneur
Registration Date: 03.10.2006
Posts: 639
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18.04.2008 17:17 |
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DarkAsmodeous
King of the Kittens
Registration Date: 25.05.2006
Posts: 4,317
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Alright, let me clarify, no one had official, sanctioned moderatorship
powers, other than you, from Razorwing. I was not even aware of these
until recently.
My point is that no team member has had moderator powers as a team
memberm so I wonder why you are adressing this in the core forum of the
team?
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18.04.2008 17:21 |
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FLESH
Archduke
Registration Date: 23.06.2006
Posts: 2,824
Location: Ireland
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I always assumed that you used your global moderatorship to move a
thread to the Core forum (Botnay Book) that was already pinned in the
other forum. Hence, when you moved it, it remained pinned in this
forum.
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18.04.2008 17:35 |
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DarkAsmodeous
King of the Kittens
Registration Date: 25.05.2006
Posts: 4,317
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As I told you in the Elsweyr forum, I had nothign to do with whatever happened, believe me or don't.
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18.04.2008 17:40 |
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FLESH
Archduke
Registration Date: 23.06.2006
Posts: 2,824
Location: Ireland
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Nope, we weren't, thats the first thing I noticed after Razorwing created the forum at my request.
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18.04.2008 17:59 |
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DarkAsmodeous
King of the Kittens
Registration Date: 25.05.2006
Posts: 4,317
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I have never had an administrator tab.
I accept that a change has occurred, but any other claims regarding
moderatorship I have no comment on other than that I haven't had it,
and that I have not interfered.
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Ja-Kha'jay
Marquise
Registration Date: 15.08.2006
Posts: 1,078
Location: New Zealand
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my head hurts. I don't know what to believe anymore. but when I was
invitied to the core of Elsweyr, the first thing I noticed was that
there were no moderators of that forum. it was the same here. there may
or may not have been pinned threads, my memory fails at this point. I
do not know as I honestly can't remember, thats how seldom I check the
core of Elsweyr, I don't need to, we just sort of get to it and get
things done. We all seems to know what needs done and encourage them.
DA's team goals thread was a great idea, kicked myself for not thinking
of it sooner, perhaps we should have one here?
Can't we all just get along?
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windsurfer
Seigneur
Registration Date: 03.10.2006
Posts: 639
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I agree but I dont want FLESH demise to be made from lies!! Maybe we
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FLESH
Archduke
Registration Date: 23.06.2006
Posts: 2,824
Location: Ireland
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Mormacil is working on a game plan of sorts I believe. I don't want arguments either.
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