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Defo claiming the concept art on this! I will make up what I can. so far we are talking...
pipes,
brooms,
crockery,
cutlery,
What about dwellings?
And why does nobody have a toilet, tin bath, sink? maybe at least 1
grade of people can. At least the highler class, and royalty should
have a water closet.
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No shit. got it! 
1 comment, unless the ES law states otherwise, as far as I know glass
is made using soda ash which is basically toasted seaweed and other
plants!
Unless someone proves me wrong I will stick to chittin, iron, rock, bone etc.
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Originally posted by Rickious
No shit. got it!
1 comment, unless the ES law states otherwise, as far as I know glass
is made using soda ash which is basically toasted seaweed and other
plants!
Unless someone proves me wrong I will stick to chittin, iron, rock, bone etc. |
Naw, glass can be made without soda ash. Like volcanic glass for
instance, otherwise known as Obsidian. Obsidian also occurs from
lightening strikes and meteor impacts.
And soda ash doesn't have to come from plants:
"Occurrence
Sodium carbonate is soluble in water, but can occur naturally in arid
regions, especially in the mineral deposits (evaporites) formed when
seasonal lakes evaporate. Deposits of the mineral natron, a combination
of sodium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate, have been mined from dry
lake bottoms in Egypt since ancient times, when natron was used in the
preparation of mummies and in the early manufacture of glass. Sodium
carbonate has three known forms of hydrates: sodium carbonate
decahydrate, sodium carbonate heptahydrate and sodium carbonate
monohydrate. Sodium carbonate also erupts from Tanzania's unique
volcano Ol Doinyo Lengai [8], and probably erupted from other volcanoes
in the past [9].
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Mining
Trona, hydrated sodium bicarbonate carbonate (Na3HCO3CO3·2H2O), is
mined in several areas of the United States and provides nearly all the
domestic sodium carbonate. Large natural deposits found in 1938, such
as the one near Green River, Wyoming, have made mining more economical
than industrial production in North America.
It is also mined out of certain alkaline lakes such as Lake Magadi in
Kenya by using a basic dredging process and it is also
self-regenerating so will never run out in its natural source."
this info from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_carbonate
So maybe Valenwood has arid places for soda ash mining or imports it.
EDIT: As far as sap from a tree or its resin - you can look to the
shellac insect which exudes a plastic-like, resin-like secretion called
shellac:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shellac
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Right... Jaa, 2 items.. 1 v.easy, 1 harder...
Stone bowls. obvious, think, granite and bowl shaped. For serving food.
Horn and bone goblet! Bit more complex to model. 3 bone supports. streight horn in centre.
Will post some pipes later too.
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Just noticed that edit. The cup is coming along nicely JAA 
. I can't tell from your picture but make sure that the three prongs are spaced equally around the horn
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yea, looking nice so far! Think my wife want one of these in real life now! Cant wait to see it finished and textured!
will get round to more pics and yea the 3 prongs must be equidistant!
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I'll keep practicing, but can I get a cut-away, labeled drawing of what you were thinking for the legs of the cup?
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JAAdventurer I will sort something later. Do you just want more details
i.e. materials, close ups etc? Drawings of the legs seperate.
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And what is holding those bones to the horn? Leather around the horn?
Bones just don't stick together. Something has to hold them reliably.
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So, the legs are toe bones with claws, attached at the bases, right? If
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wooow, that is very good looking 
very like valenwood
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ah good, at least I'm on the same page as you then. Gonna do some more soon.
Let me know anything the GP are desperate for.
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21.04.2008 09:56 |
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Clutter is something we have never really looked at, so we are desperate for that
After that, flora, architecture?
And that cup looks great 
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glad you like, I would like my concepts to cross over different mods
where relevant, so may be worth checking my photobucket.com and
rummaging around for anything, give me a shout if anything catches you
eye. Will add a few drawings most days so plenty to come.
Click on
>>>MY PHOTOBUCKET.COM<<< but they are in no particular order. 90% of that lot in on this forum with a description somewhere.
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21.04.2008 18:09 |
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FLESH
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This
Caught my eye instantly. Would you mind setting up a new thread in this
forum (Concepts) and maybe posting descriptions, and close ups (if you
feel you want to draw them) of what type of buildings these are? Not
wooden I hope 
I also like the flora and fauna in there
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Try to be realistic in your designs Rickous. Think about "How could they make it in the real world" as you draw it.
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Flesh, thats the great Argonian tree city. Its on a thread in The Black
Marsh. FC4, I presume this is the unrealistic concept?
I think as it cuts out the sky and any horizon its actually one big
interior. The 'wall' is made of giant buttress trees. For the Black
Marsh the houses would have been wooden! (eek) maybe we need to see if
this is possible in terms of polycount, if it is, who can mod it? I
think of the external parts (the rope bridges and platforms) like the
bridges in the Oblivion realm of TES4, and for that reason I have
confidence this can be made.
Let me know what you think as modders, if you think the game can handle
it but dont know if anyone will take it on, I will get me ass in gear
and do it on my work pc at nights on the CS.
The Black MArsh thread for this is >>HERE<<
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No, your newest concept art with the leather straps and such was
realistic enough to please me. I might make a few things myself, if you
are okay with that. ^_^
On the topic of clutter for the Islands themselves, I see lots of use
of sea creatures, and birds, like bird feathers and turtle shells. I'll
be taking inspiration from the Native Americans for most of what I make
concerning the Green Pact. They were very intuitive, even though they
used plants as well as animals, I can take inspiration from them.
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Ahh I see. It screamed forest to me
I don't see why the game shouldn't be able to handle it. Unless it's
extremely populated. But this is a different discussion, back to work
*whoopish (wip sound)*.
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Ah, I get you! I want ALL my concepts modelling. I suppose if 2
modellers did the same item it would make alternate versions for
variety, otherwise we need to try and make sure we are not doubling up.
Anything new and specific I will post as 'Rickious Concept Claim -
GOBLET' etc that way people can claim it. But I would like to see some
things especially plants and animals, cross over between mods.
FLESH, who runs The Black Marsh? have a word with them and see if they
will use it. If not, it can be converted over with bone, chittin, metal
and stone structures for Valenwood. I just want to see it made!
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I'll have a talk with Tlo, as I think he is the current leader. New models help everyone
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Yea, the buttress trees work anywhere jungle, forest or swamp, same
with any platforms and bridges. But the entire concept is an
impenetrable circular wall of trees, grown together over time to make
the city wall. Then a smaller circle of trees inside as the castle.
Would make a good GP Capital, a shrine to Y'ffre at the top of the
central trees actually up in the clouds above the canopy.
But would also make a good Argonian city although having them live up
in trees isn't as appropriate unless it goes back to the days of winged
Argonians?
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And to bring this back on topic, here is some concept art.
The top three images are of a bowl, fashioned from only a Sea Turtle
shell. The shell used would be from a young sea turtle of comparably
small size to the average turtle. Break off the ventricle plate
(stomach piece) of the turtle shell and leave the dorsal bowl shaped
section. Clean out the meat, and you have the bowl.
The ventricle section can then be cleaned out and used as a thin plate
alongside the bowl, as illustrated next in the artwork. Both would be
equivalent to Imperial silver tableware in the fact that getting Sea
turtles is difficult, but getting turtles of that size is harder.
Average sized sea turtle shells could be used as roughly illustrated at
the very bottom of the work, which is the shell covering the chest of
the wearer. Leather straps hold it onto the shoulders, and the bottom
of the shell comes just over the pelvis. Yes, such a breastplate would
not allow for the bending and hunching over postures due to the
stiffness of the shell, but it would adequately cover the rib cage for
a warrior type Bosmeri tribesman.
Large to average sized turtle shells could be used for shields, also, which I didn't draw.
What you all think?
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21.04.2008 21:58 |
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Good, not for the turtle, but sure the GP will like it!
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*Scans drawings* Mhm, some really good stuff here.
For the turtle shell armor FC4 sketched, what if we used turtle shells
in sort of a scale pattern for armor? A leather (or maybe fish-scale)
armor, with turtle shells as elbow, shoulder, and knee pads,
incorporate a mix for the helmet, and add a few shells over the torso?
Plus, of course, the single-shell shield. I can sort of envision it,
but a few concept sketches wouldn't hurt.
Mmm, lot's of turtle soup.
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JAA WHAT ARE YOU SAYING!!!!! 
Think of all those poor baby sea turtles!
Know what you mean though, the turtles will have to die, we need to see these as part of an organic armour set.
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TMNT! No, only joking. I think that a shield out of a turtle shell is quite a good idea
Don't know about the armour (see my earlier reference
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FLESH, I notice you said TMNT not TMHT which means your at least 28 years old!
BUT it does make me think there should be Skaven in TES to give another tribal species along with gobbos.
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I'm only as old as I act
. Naah I'm quite young, just that I grew up on the old cartoons of
these guys, which is all they had in my country, that and Loony Toons.
Now back on topic, I stand by my opinion that it might not be a great
armour, but a good shield (which was one of the options FC4 listed). It
seems too impractical for a Bosmer, they are all about maneuverability
and an armour of this type would hinder it IMO.
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FLESH, agreed, shield yes, the turtle body armour would always look a
little comical. You expect the weared to pull his/her head inside for a
nap...
Maybe shoulders too.
FLESH, Tlo want the tree fortress, BUT I propose the GP dont need the
protection of the outer tree-wall, so the inner trees with GP specific
housing of leather, bone and chittin etc. Maybe 2-3 of these huge
tree-masses would look great, all intersected with rope bridges...
sorry I mean woven minotaur hair suspension bridges, chittin platforms
etc. and dont forget the main tree clump is hollow so room for a large
multi-floor area inside about 10-15 metres across inside, ovel rooms.
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Looking good...
I'm not very good at drawing armor, but I can try to draw up an armor of fish scales and carved turtle shells.
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Goblet is looking much better, just need to make it a bit more obvious
that it's a talon coming out of the bottom and I'd say your are almost
done. And one thing: I love that rugged effect you have with the bowl,
it highlights the fact that Bosmer aren't great with stone and all that
they could was get a barely smooth bowl. It might just be an early
version but I suggest you keep that effect.
Rickious: Yeah, I wasn't thinking of it as a fortress, just more of a living space for our VW inhabitants
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Really like the goblet and bowl, great and needed unique clutter! 
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