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KuKulzA
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I know its uncalled for... but I had the urge to do it...
I was thinking... Dunmer society is a lot like their Velothi temples...
inner sanctum and everyone is crowded outside... but then I started
thinking about Cormaris View... and about my Redoran fortress
architecture... and also about, where would the Redoran regional
strength be if Silgrad was razed and rebuilt, and so was Blacklight?
duh, Cormaris View and Reich Parkeep! ...so as Reich Parkeep was
already planned, I hoped to lend a hand in Cormaris View!
so in the Blacklight region, Cormaris View is that city alongside the lake...
History:
This city is more like a place where the fisher-folk once lived... this
primitive Dunmer clan lived along the shores of the lake for a long
time. However, the true Redoran began moving in, one group from
Blacklight, and another from the central lands. There were also Velothi
nearby, but were made homeless by the Imperial invasions long ago.
These four clans all settled together here, but it was not always
peaceful. However, a Nordic raiding party landed on the shores of the
lake by sailing in their shallow-bottomed longboats down the river.
They expected to find the staunch but emaciated fishmongers defending
themselves with chitin spears and hooks, however, what they encountered
was a union of four clans banded together under a Redoran general, who
had fought in the Four Score War.
The Nords were driven away and the general had the clans move close
together and make a huge mud-cement wall around the entire clan-hold.
Eventually, they completed and the Velothi clan made their farms, one
Redoran clan went back to their quarries and Kwama colonies, the
fisher-folk fished once more, and the other Redoran clan went back to
their herds. A small shell, of the same species as Skar was on the
shore of the lake and the council meets here. The Council of Cormaris
is made of one representative from each clan, the Temple head-priest, a
respresentative of the nobles, and the general of the city.
City Plan:
There are two Redoran clan districts, one Velothi clan district, one
(rectangular) Arena, the Temple, the market with the Grand Pavilion,
the Noble's land, the fisher-folk land, and the Council House. There
are two barracks due to the martial nature fo the town. The city has
three giant gates and six large Redoran fortress-towers. There are four
watch towers overlooking the interior. The city looks more like a large
village with an enormous wall around it, it is. The so called
temple-area of the city, IF it were a Velothi temple, has the wealthier
and less populous population. The outside of the so-called temple IF it
were a temple, would be the place of the clans...
Politics:
There are seven groups in Cormaris View. The Temple group is rather
passive but help with many domestic issues and cares for the welfare of
the entire people more than the other groups. The Fisher-clan group is
represented by their hetman, the other 3 clans. They are not the
wealthiest group but are held in high esteem for their deeds of the
past. They want to push for more benefits. The Redoran clan that delves
in Kwama mines and quarries is demanding fairer trade. The Redoran clan
that herds want to see more land allowed on the countryside for their
herds, perhaps even on the Velothi farms. The Velothi want to see their
farmlands expanded. The Military, represented by the general is
relatively satisfied but many of the warriors are eager to leave for
Vvardenfell to test their mettle, though are forbidden to leave until
their time of service is over. The nobles, controlling the more refined
forges and crafts and the production of alcoholic beverages wants to
use their wealth to gain more dominance over the city. However, they
are checked by the military, which, still virtuous, has a strong hold
over the populance and along witht he Temple, helps maintain chivalry
and morality in the people.
city labeled
velothi temple concept
suggestions, comments, praise, criticism, etc. all welcome!
This post has been edited 2 time(s), it was last edited by KuKulzA: 14.03.2006 03:17.
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Rodan
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You've really thought this out. I like the drawing (reminds me of a
Horseshoe Crab) and with the two cell town it works out very well. Like
Blacklight, there is little in lore that explains Cormaris so the
concept is workable. I need to reread it over a few times but it
definitely is excellent work!
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14.03.2006 02:16 |
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KuKulzA
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yeah... 
thanks.... I spent like 2 hours on it, then 2 more drawing it.... went through several versions....
first was the idea that it was a Velothi town that got settled by
Redoran so then the center is a cluster of Velothi architecture
surrounded by the Redoran ones in like a circle.... the next was that
grea temple, a market around it, 6 large towers, and a few smaller
walls separating like 4 estates.... then I connected it to the
lake..... then thought some more.... and decided that fishmongers lived
there long ago.... way way back, then the House-folk started coming
in.... which developed into the present version of the city... the one
I decided to present |
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14.03.2006 02:20 |
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TheMann777
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At first I thought that temple was a small volcano/mountain. Was it a
building carved into a mountain? I didn't recognize the shape of the
town as a whole at first, but it is a spectacular idea. I very much
like how many docks there are, considering the fact that there is
probably a lot of trade due to the large lake.
That is a very good concept drawing of this city, and the history behind it is awesome too. 
Bravo! 
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14.03.2006 02:39 |
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KuKulzA
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thank you! (damn I wish there was a bowing smiley!)
the Temple is actually a large Redoran building carved into the 4 corner shape, 2 of the corners are entrances....
Edit 2006-03-15, 20:54 C.E.T.:
I understand that Cormaris View is not really my claim...
...but I was wondering what is the likelihood of my idea going through and being used?
I would help make it whatever the city will turn out to be....
and I can make detailed drawings of the structures I put in that were not in TES3.....
I dunno, I just wanna be of assistance 
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14.03.2006 02:41 |
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Vrenir
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Somehow I missed seeing this when it was first posted. It looks really
cool, especially the temple in the middle. There's a lot of open space
though and a ton of docks, but if the open space is scaled back a bit,
the docks should be also by default and then I think it'll be perfect.
The only other thing that I see that could make this design better
would be if instead of having the walls go all the way around, if they
were incorporated into a natural barrier of rocky crags at various
points. From what I can tell on the map, Cormaris View is in a pretty
flat area, but the TESIII version had a lot of rocks around it (just
not mountains). If I were building a fortified wall, I would try to
build into the rocks, place gates in between the natural barriers and
fill in the gaps with my man-made defenses. As the Redorans seem very
tactically minded and naturalistic in architecture, I could see them
going for that option.
I also wonder if a small Velothi section might still be in order. Don't
replace the temple at the center, but perhaps near the water on one
side. After all, so many of the mainland settlements are more ancient;
they should show traces of their heritage more than the Vvardenfell
towns. |
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15.03.2006 21:07 |
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Rodan
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definitely I would welcome the help. I've been recoding the webpages
today and I'll soon start working on the new Cormaris page with the
info and drawings you have provided.
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15.03.2006 21:29 |
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KuKulzA
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Originally posted by Vrenir
I also wonder if a small Velothi section might still be in order. Don't
replace the temple at the center, but perhaps near the water on one
side. After all, so many of the mainland settlements are more ancient;
they should show traces of their heritage more than the Vvardenfell
towns. |
yeah, there is one in my city drawing.... it is a small Velothi
neighborhood.... the city, realistically, isn't huge, but it is what I
think it should be in-game.... |
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15.03.2006 21:57 |
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raggidman
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It is wonderful KK
I like the idea that the walls are more complete than the Redoran
strongholds on Vvardenfell - because they were built at a later date,
of course! And did not undergo the attrition that was so intense on
Vvardenfell between the equally competing Great Houses etc, either,
once the Nord remnant was beaten off.
The Velothi remnants - on Vvardenfell they are called 'Ashlanders.' But
giving them a different name on the Mainland might make a lot of sense.
The number of quays looks very large - this must be a budding
metropolis! Maybe the most important single source of fish and seafood
in Morrowind = CRAB COUNTRY? Did the Redorans settle here to get
Crabshells? Are there smaller cousins of the Emperor Crab still alive,
maybe in the lake? Could freshwater crabs exist? or Could the lake be a
saltwater lake?
Hey, I only just got started on this...fuuuun 
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Razorwing
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Originally posted by KuKulzA
thank you! (damn I wish there was a bowing smiley!) |
Sure, here ya go 
Nice work on the concept! I don't know what the plans for Cormaris View are, but it was very nicely drawn.
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KuKulzA
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thanks everybody! 
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Originally posted by Razorwing
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Originally posted by KuKulzA
thank you! (damn I wish there was a bowing smiley!) |
Sure, here ya go
Nice work on the concept! I don't know what the plans for Cormaris View are, but it was very nicely drawn. |
and yeah, thank you Razorwing
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Roger the Shrubber
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wow KuKulzA! u really think a lot.( u can take that as good or bad)
but i've noticed you take more time thinking things out then anyone
I've ever had the privilege of working with. amazing work on
coordinating nice concept art with history to back it up.
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KuKulzA
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Originally posted by Roger the Shrubber
wow KuKulzA! u really think a lot.( u can take that as good or bad)
but i've noticed you take more time thinking things out then anyone
I've ever had the privilege of working with. amazing work on
coordinating nice concept art with history to back it up.
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I'll take that as a complement (is that how it is spelled?)
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raggidman
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Just realised:
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The Velothi remnants - on Vvardenfell they are called 'Ashlanders.' But
giving them a different name on the Mainland might make a lot of sense. |
Now that the blight is ended what happens re the 'Ashlands?' And so does the name Ashlanders start to change?
Red Mountain is still a Volcano, but was Dagoth Ur ot the effect of the Heart actually stirring it up?
This might affect your naming of the Velothi remnants?
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KuKulzA
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Originally posted by raggidman
Just realised:
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The Velothi remnants - on Vvardenfell they are called 'Ashlanders.' But
giving them a different name on the Mainland might make a lot of sense. |
Now that the blight is ended what happens re the 'Ashlands?' And so does the name Ashlanders start to change?
Red Mountain is still a Volcano, but was Dagoth Ur ot the effect of the Heart actually stirring it up?
This might affect your naming of the Velothi remnants? |
Velothi are the people of Veloth
often times the settled ones are "Velothi" and the nomadic "Ashlanders"
however they are the same people with different living styles, they
even have the same names and habits. However, the settled take on a
Hetman instead of Ashkhans and are usually not as war-like
the Ashlands were there... but not as big..... I expect in 100 years
they might begin to get small again since Blight is gone, but in 6
years, not much will change |
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19.03.2006 14:17 |
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KuKulzA
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hmm... more thoughts on the political factions...
The fishmonger clan, Clan Oudamer, the river pepple, are the poorest
clan of Cormaris View. They aren't particularly influential but they
have historically held their shores for untold centuries from all
invaders, n'wah or Dunmer. Therefore they are respected in Cormaris
View as the city was built near their old village.
The Redoran of the Molihn Clan are miners and such. They are the second
poorest clan in Cormaris View. Their people have two proffesions, the
army or the mines and quarries. They are hardy people but have little
land. Their influence comes from their participation in the Cormaris
View armed forces. This group is historically the newest clan added to
the city.
The Redoran Balkham Clan are herders and tanners. They are in
competition with the Velothi Rosdoynia Clan for land. They want the
fertile farmlands for their herds but the Rosdoyna Clan want to expand
their holdings more to grow more crops. The Balkham Clan like the
others is hard working and also contributes to the army. It was said
that at first the Balkham has been invaders of the river valley but
eventually came to be peaceful with the Oudamer.
The Velothi Rosdoyna Clan, the farmer folks are the second wealthiest
clan so to speak. They own a large tract of land south of Cormaris View
and work the land. However they are not particularly wealthy. There is
a large gap between their wealth and the Nobles' wealth though they are
second. These farmers were second to the region, they farmed the land
while the Fishmongers fished in the lake.
The Nobles are not a real clan but function as one. They are refugees
of noble blood that had come to this region during the Imperial
invasions. Here they became those specialized in arts and high crafts
such as glass working, refined forging, and the like. They own large
lands, but not for food crops but for alcoholic beverages. Therefore
they are able to make good money. They are the last to come to this
region, along with the Redoran army.
so a basic timeline would be this:
Chimer come to Morrowind
a fishing tribe sets up on the shores of a lake
a Velothi clan comes to the region to farm
Imperials first invade
two Redoran clans seek refuge in the river valley
a Redoran army tries to defend Morrowind
the clans gather at the Lake shores, hostile at first
a rag-tag band of defeated soldiers, a small army, come to the lake
Nordic raid on Redoran territory
clans united under the army
Cormaris View built
[present day]
EDIT: so all in all, this is a poor city but with a lot of heart and a good army...
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raggidman
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Having settled the politics Perfesser, what's your take on the fishing?
Are there only slaughterfish and pearls, or do they fish a variety of
previously unseen species?
Maybe even the famous Redoran Emperor Crabs?
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loyalty is not to be spoken of and honour is to be endured. Whilst
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