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KuKulzA
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it seems that the Nords are invading Morrowind and the Redoran are single-handedly holding them off....
the Redoran have great leaders and warriors, but their economical strength is at an all-time low....
will the Blacklight mod do anything upon this?
the Vvardenfell mod certainyl will but I assume that the Nords' target
isn't Vvardenfell, it is taking down the greatest and most honorable
warriors of Morrowind- Redoran..... I am thinking that the Nords are
held up at Blacklight but are struggling to penetrate deeper.... and
when they do, the cool dudes at Cormaris View need to decisivly defeat
them.... 
I also think that....
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Originally posted by KuKulzA
but the Nordic threat is not only a danger to Redoran whom are
defending all Morrowind against them, but to all. But what if Helseth
actually arranged it? what if he had the Nords attack Redoran knowing
it would distract and stall the warrior-House and weaken them if they
succeeded in defense, if not, the job is already done and the Nords
would be too weakened in the struggle to contend with Hlaalu-Dres
armies... or better, maybe he even had the Nords as a secret ally?
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29.03.2006 05:12 |
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raggidman
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Ok, evil one, it seems that this came form somewhere, but where? is it ST or Bethsoft Lore?
Sounds interesting whichever, but it would be nice to pinpoint the
starting point from now on as Ob is out so we know the basis and the
way stuff relates.
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29.03.2006 11:39 |
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KuKulzA
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Bethesda lore.... the Nords are invading Morrowind
and the Redoran, as always, are the only ones doing anything about it
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30.03.2006 00:56 |
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Rodan
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An invasion could be done. It could be that the Nords have taken Ald
Khos and Gargon Huul but are being held off at Cormaris View. It could
be a developing quest between Windhelm and Blacklight.
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30.03.2006 13:58 |
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raggidman
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do seem to remember hearing something about Darklight being in the way
and full of Orks - wonder if they have a deal with the Nords, or maybe
they will be annoyed bcause they were not invited to the bash?
any possibilities there?
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loyalty is not to be spoken of and honour is to be endured. Whilst
courage is to be survived. These virtues belong to silence.
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30.03.2006 23:59 |
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KuKulzA
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I think the Orcs were hired by the Nords as auxiliaries...
however in the TES4 Vvardenfell for the Great House War... we are thinking...
since Helseth is such a ruthless and unfair dude...there will be the Revolutionaries and Traditionalists....
Helseth will have in an alliance, Hlaalu, Dres, Imperials, and Nords...
the traditionals will be Redoran, Indoril, Telvanni, ashlanders and betmeri
the traditionalists, in order to survive, had to band together....
now what if the Orcs and Nords got pissed at one another? they do often
hate one another cause of all the wars they've had.... what if the orcs
all defected to Azhag's Orc Camp or deserted to Vvardenfell or
something?
yeah, Azhag's Orc Camp...
you know you want it to be a big orkish place..
cause I am working on it 
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31.03.2006 00:03 |
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Rodan
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It's a good idea. Blacklight is going to have more orcish guards since
the Imperials left there have pulled out so they government needed to
hire from Azhag to man the walls and patrol the streets.
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31.03.2006 00:53 |
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Ebonyknight
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not sure is blacklight its own little barony like all the kingdoms in Highrock
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06.04.2006 22:07 |
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Rodan
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It will probably be more neutral in the dealings between Blacklight and
the Redoran. With the city back under Empire control (and under a new
governor) it may shy away from the dealings between the houses of
Morrowind.
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06.04.2006 22:55 |
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Ebonyknight
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but they have their own army and type of armor and banners right? and the guards this time dont have ebony armor lol?
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07.04.2006 00:52 |
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Rodan
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I removed the Ebony armor at version 1.31. It was a kind of joke
originally at TR, who could build the strongest guard. Mine was Ebony
armor and a special ring. But the Knights still have the armor (sort of
an Elite guard). I haven't decided if the Knights will be around in the
new version.
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07.04.2006 00:59 |
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Ebonyknight
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Also was wondering is the town guard the army as well or is there also
an order of knights for the Baron or ruler of blacklight. Also will we
be seeing conflicts between Blacklight and Azhag the Orc warlord. say
like a caravan on route to Blacklight and gets sacked by Azhag's orcs
or some troops attack one of azhags camps?
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07.04.2006 01:05 |
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Rodan
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I did'nt design an order of the guards in the city (might be a good
idea). Blacklight is on good relations with Azhag since the new city
will be mostly filled with orc guards from there but raids against
merchants will be a possibility from the camp (good quest plot).
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07.04.2006 01:11 |
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Ebonyknight
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Also for the mainquest maybe we could say have the nords be unbeatable
until they reach blacklight its there you either take over as nords and
start the assault on Morrowind or be the redoran army and push they
back to Skyrim
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07.04.2006 01:16 |
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wilting
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Hmm, I don't think there should be a definite conclusion; ie the Nords
being totally defeated, as we don't really know where Beth is going
with this. So have a few quest revolving around impeding the Nords,
slowing then down, disrupting their activites, ambushing some leaders
etc but no definitive confrontation. Just a conclusion along the lines
of "we have made the Nords invaders pay dearly for setting foot in
Morrowind, but this conflict is only begining....". |
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07.04.2006 01:27 |
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Rodan
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I was also thinking of a third option, a political option. But I'll give more out as I think about it.
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07.04.2006 01:32 |
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Ebonyknight
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Omg funny I was thinking of what you were thinking Rodan sorta like
this. You say are either the Redoran envoy or the Nord envoy and then
theres the Blacklight Baron. You have 3 choices of answers and theres 4
sets of questions. IF you can pick the 4 right questions right he will
support your side. If you answer wrong you will see him get mad at you
ask you to leave the city and when the battles begin you will see
either his troops siding with your faction or with the other faction.
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07.04.2006 01:36 |
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Rodan
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It's definitely a quest line. But I want to throw a curve ball into it
and put a little chaos into the plotline (to coin a phrase).
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07.04.2006 01:48 |
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Leviathan
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Couldn't the invasion have been halted, the Nords and Redoran has
entered a temporary truce because of the Daedric invasion? After the OB
MQ they could pick up where they left off.
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05.07.2006 22:33 |
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Rodan
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That's what I'm thinking, beyond the main quest. A war between the two
with plots and counter plots might make things more interesting.
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05.07.2006 22:36 |
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Leviathan
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Well it could be a Ravenrock situation where you can chose if you
either want to help one side for better or worse. You could either just
meddle to make some money and leave the place in an disorder or decide
to be more diplomatic and actually try to solve some issues.
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05.07.2006 22:41 |
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Rodan
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Exactly! But you want the give the PC reasons to choose one or the
other. The only thing is that I want to give it a little more
character. That's why I throw these thoughts out, to get a few more
ideas. 
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05.07.2006 22:45 |
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Leviathan
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Well they way I see it the Nords can be considered the bad guys since
they are invading Morrowind. But then again we don't know what
triggered the invasion do we? (Haven't been on forum for months because
computer died so I don't know what you have decided) It could have been
something the Nerevarine did but since he is apparently on vacation he
is not around to solve the issue so the whole thing escalated.
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05.07.2006 22:52 |
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Rodan
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I have not gotten enough information on it just yet. So I don't want to
set a good guy/bad guy sort of quest. There has to be a reason why
Skyrim invaded Morrowind.
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06.07.2006 02:29 |
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Ebonyknight
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But the Mythic Dawns agenda has nothing to do on Soltheim. But Maybe a cult of Hirince?
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06.07.2006 04:06 |
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Leviathan
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Well the invasion probably escalated before the Emperor got
assassinated. And as for Hircine he didn't have any actual worshipers
in Solstheim just lunatics that had received the gift of the Were.
I just assumed the Mythic Dawn has set of a few conflicts in Tamriel to keep the Blades and the Legion busy.
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06.07.2006 04:33 |
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Rodan
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I don't want to go the Mythic Dawn way. More political might be the
best way to go. Perhaps a major mistake during a conference between the
two that caused the invasion. I would like to see what you think.
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06.07.2006 06:26 |
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Leviathan
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Maybe Nordic reavers have been plundering Dunmer ancestral tombs and
Redoran decided to retaliate. When attacking the reavers ship they
could have accidently sunken the wrong ship with some important Nord on
board. Like say the son of a king. This would be enough reasons for
Nords to go to war and finish the work they started in the past.
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06.07.2006 15:19 |
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X23
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That'd be a good idea. And actually if you join either side the
opposing side would see like their evil, since the Redoran killed
someone important, and the Nords are going to war. Theres no defined
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06.07.2006 16:26 |
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Rodan
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I like the Dunmer tombs idea. I also want to think of a counter-plot idea for Skyrim.
Edit: I've thinking of a counter-plot. Perhaps one of the regents sons
has been murdered but not by one of the persons of Morrowind, but by
either the Dark Brotherhood or even a Daedra worshipper. The theory is
that Windhelm accuses Blacklight of the murder because of evidence
found there and sends its forces against Morrowind.
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06.07.2006 18:15 |
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raggidman
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What I have been wondering is whether the guy who assassinated the
Emperor had been stirring things up for some time, gathering support to
make use of the chaos that opening the Gates would cause.
Question would be whether the Emperor had been able to foil any/all
such plots, or was the Emperor drawn into actions that caused problems
in the balance of powers or caused offence such that the links that
certain groups had with the Empire were broken?
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06.07.2006 23:29 |
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Siegfried
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How about the Mythic Dawn remnants in Skyrim assasinate such and such
son of the ruler of Windhelm so they can divert attention from
themselves and get a big conflict going with Morrowind. Since once the
Oblivion Crisis is over they will no longer have Dagon's Daedra to
protect them, and the Imperial Freedom of religion laws will no longer
apply to them, so the Daedra hating Nords will be genociding the few
survivors. They were able to get away with the assasination because a
powerful Nord Warlord who is leading raiding parties into MW wants a
full scale war, and so he helps them get near influential person X so
the MD may assasinate them, that way you have Skyrim royalty officially
getting into the fight against MW instead of just looking the otherway
and letting raiders have their fun. If its done this way it helps us
(Skyrim for OB) a lot because I've been planning on having an alliance
of this sort (MD and Nord Warlord) affecting the mainquest of Skyrim,
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07.07.2006 00:36 |
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Ebonyknight
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mythic dawns started in Cyrdoill and ended in cyrodill with oblivion
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07.07.2006 01:06 |
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Siegfried
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The Mythic Dawn is responsible for opening Oblivion Gates, and Oblivion
Gates opened all across Tamriel. They started in Cyrodiil, but it can
be implied that they are found elsewhere as well, since gates opened up
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07.07.2006 05:29 |
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Ebonyknight
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Well once the barrier has been broken eventually they will start to open themselves.
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07.07.2006 06:23 |
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Rodan
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I think I should place a few Oblivion gates in my area.
EbonyKnight, really like the signature!
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07.07.2006 07:16 |
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Inferno_str1ke
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Noes! Not Oblivion gates! They scare me!
That, and my character gets royally beaten by most things that come out of them. 
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