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Rodan
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Ideas for other claims

I would like to know if the other members of ST have some ideas about new dungeons, villages, or other creations in the Blacklight area.

If you have ideas on the Northern Coast, let me know so I can place them there! Cool

05.02.2006 09:02

KuKulzA
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I'm not really a member of Silgrad Tower....
but I think I have a good suggestion...

in the War of the First Council, the Chimer waged war against the Dwemer. The Dwemer had superior weapons and quickly took over what is now Redoran land, Telvanni land, and Vvardenfell. However, nomadic and settled Velothi must have lived in what is now Redoran land... so in order to maintain control, the Dwemer would need to have a stronghold to secure the surounding area.
By the way, there was no inner sea at the time, it was all land

so I propose that there should be a Dwemer fortress (walls, ballistae, towers, etc.) in the central part of Blacklight territory... in ancient times it would have looked over the river valey's and demanded submission from the Chimer tribes and clans. situated along a river, forces could be quickly sent out, and trade in the region regulated.

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05.02.2006 14:33

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raggidman
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quote:

Originally posted by KuKulzA
I'm not really a member of Silgrad Tower....
but I think I have a good suggestion...

in the War of the First Council, the Chimer waged war against the Dwemer. The Dwemer had superior weapons and quickly took over what is now Redoran land, Telvanni land, and Vvardenfell. However, nomadic and settled Velothi must have lived in what is now Redoran land... so in order to maintain control, the Dwemer would need to have a stronghold to secure the surounding area.
By the way, there was no inner sea at the time, it was all land

so I propose that there should be a Dwemer fortress (walls, ballistae, towers, etc.) in the central part of Blacklight territory... in ancient times it would have looked over the river valey's and demanded submission from the Chimer tribes and clans. situated along a river, forces could be quickly sent out, and trade in the region regulated.

There is someting important that falls from this - atthe moment we have Velothi tombs, but no specifically Velothi Architecture otherwise - unless of course that is preserved in the buildings of the Fourth or Fifth Houses - Nerevar's House is likely to be very sophisticated from their taste in clothes, so perhaps House Dren is more basic = Velothi?

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06.02.2006 22:22

Harikari
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House dren would probally be more sophistacated than the other great house, since they have no power over much beyond the capital (mournhold) in Morrowind since they don't have any connections with the temple(indoril) or the empire(hlallu). They probally lean more toward grey stone or the red and greens of mournhold.

Redoran=Shell
Hlallu=Clay
Telvanni=Mushroom (must be popular with the hippies)
Indoril=(Think the Vivec Cantons)

06.02.2006 22:31

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Razorwing
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House Indoril owns Mournhold. The Dres capital is Tear.

The ancient city of Vivec was built in a style called Velothi, which can't be connected to any one House since it was used before the Houses existed.

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06.02.2006 22:51

KuKulzA
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the settled Dunmer made Velothi buildings... as the Clans and Tribes that were settled began uniting, they formed Houses... like the Great Houses and the minor Houses...

Dres are a Great House
Dren is a clan... a large family... maybe once they were Dres, but now they are mostly Hlaalu, at least the prominent ones...

06.02.2006 22:54

raggidman
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quote:

Originally posted by Razorwing
House Indoril owns Mournhold. The Dres capital is Tear.

The ancient city of Vivec was built in a style called Velothi, which can't be connected to any one House since it was used before the Houses existed.

Between you and Harikari there is something interesting forming...

I have been thinking that the ancient forms of architecture are often preserved in the modern.

Vivec was built by Vivec himself according to Vivec (who is a well known assassin thief and liar = rogue) - and the Great Houses were already formed by the Dwemer conflict - remember that Nerevar was the Hortator from House Indoril, and his wife was Almalexia. True to say Vivec might have borrwed from the Velothi style, but - what if your stone houses are in the ancient Velothi Style for smaller civilian or farming buildings as interpreted by the denizens in the ST area?

If Dres is so sophisticated I would have expected to meet them on Vvardenfell - since not I suspect they are reclusive...and therefore frozen at some stage of developement - hence the thought about your robust stone tileset being associated with them and being a developement of the ancient Velothi style...

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06.02.2006 23:21

KuKulzA
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HOLD ON!
Dres? OR Dren?
aiya!

ok... Dres are the Great House Dres, capitol is Tear, they are big in agriculture and slaver trade....

Dren is the clan name and they include people like Duke Vedam Dren and Orvas Dren, the prominent Dren are mostly Hlaalu....

what are we talking about?

06.02.2006 23:25

Rodan
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There can be a second Dwemer ruin. The first being the Amruk Observatory. I don't know about putting it near Cormaris but maybe near the mine sites near Skyrim.

House Dres I don't think we can use there because of the Redoran presence there. I believe that they had a larger presence in the south and into Black Marsh.

07.02.2006 04:00

KuKulzA
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quote:

Originally posted by Rodan
There can be a second Dwemer ruin. The first being the Amruk Observatory. I don't know about putting it near Cormaris but maybe near the mine sites near Skyrim.

that would work.... maybe it was to watch against Nordic invasions...
but in the War of the First Council, the Dwemer used it as a Mercenary Camp to train and arm Nordic mercenaries

07.02.2006 04:02

Rodan
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That would be a good idea. A secret entrance between Skyrim and Morrowind where the Dwemer trained mercenaries. A sort of passageway in southern Skyrim.

07.02.2006 04:06

KuKulzA
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yes... maybe remants to Nordic armor... Dwemer armor.... maybe even a "rosetta Stone" type of paper?
like maybe a mercenary contract was signed and it miraculously survived? (in both Nordic runes and Dwemer runes)

....or perhaps a big battle field before it... and if you look hard enough there is still some old rusted Dwemer/Nordic/Chimer armor half buried and useless... I think that the citadel itself would be awesome...
if it was indeed a fort/mercenary camp... the inner chambers would have traps and such for the defense of the garrison commander or the Dwemer general!

...and maybe a Dwemer jail... with skeletons inside.... and maybe you can uncover the archeological secret... maybe the Nord chief was held prisoner and to ransom him the Nords had to fight for the Dwemer... maybe just this case... or maybe Chimer were held inside for interrogation...

...wow, I have lots of ideas for this ruin!

07.02.2006 04:10

Harikari
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Oi, I butchered a lot of facts.

Mostly I worked off of Morrowind literature and guesswork. Though I think that they don't have a hold on vvardenfell because of their uprightness. Vvardenfell is a pretty crappy place to live. Only a few settlements have manors and such. Leperesy (Corpus) is not a good incentive for settlement.

What is forming by the way Eek 1

07.02.2006 04:15

KuKulzA
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1. what is forming above is a discussion about a proposed Dwemer ruin
2. I don't think Dres would go to Vvardenfell; they are secure in their own district with their regional agricultural monopoly... so they are an economic powerhouse, and have a decent military
but individuals might... such as Drulene Falen... she was Dres but she went into Redoran lands on Vvardenfell to be a guar herder... maybe her own plantation in Dres land was annexed by the more prosperous landowner?

07.02.2006 04:20

Rodan
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It's not a problem. I remembered in the Arena game there were a lot of Dark Elves in the northern part of Black Marsh. Also, Black Marsh was also not a nice place to live in as well.

07.02.2006 04:22

KuKulzA
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no... but the Dark elves occupied it so they could go deeper and rai for slaves Yes

I think the Dres were to go Vvardenfell, it would be to undermine Hlaalu agriculture in the Ascadian Isles...
the Hlaalu are the dominant trading of the Great Houses, the Dres wouldn't want them to get in farming too!

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07.02.2006 04:24

Rodan
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That is probably true too.

But to get back to the Dwemer fortress, an ancient training ground could be made as well as a weapons research facility. It could be that the Dwemer were desiging even larger crossbows and other ranged weapons before they were destroyed there.

07.02.2006 04:32

KuKulzA
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quote:

Originally posted by Rodan
That is probably true too.

But to get back to the Dwemer fortress, an ancient training ground could be made as well as a weapons research facility. It could be that the Dwemer were desiging even larger crossbows and other ranged weapons before they were destroyed there.

possibly.. or you know ho the Dwemer mysteriously disappeared?
maybe there can be books left open... the tools just fallen on the ground... and partially constructed robots...

and maybe ghosts will be left behind eh?

07.02.2006 04:34

Rodan
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Well the Dwemer dungeons usually have their ghosts. I always liked when they had their ancient observatories in Morrowind so I don't see why they can't have more ideas in advanced technology in Oblivion. Maybe we can make it into a quest for both Blacklight and Vvardenfell!

07.02.2006 04:40

KuKulzA
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perhaps so... there was a Telvanni lord named Baladas Demnavanni in Gnisis. perhaps he interested in mainland Dwemer ruins?

...but Ben Vagara has special claim to Gnisis... and whomever is Telvanni faction organizer (me for now) has a say on Baladas... so with respect to the people, we will discuss with them when the time comes....

cause inter-mod quests need lots of coordination Yes

07.02.2006 04:44

Rodan
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I was thinking more of the last Dwemer on Vvardenfell (Don't ask me, I can't remeber of the locale at the moment). Maybe the dungeon could have the plans of a crossbow that can make it easier to destroy the gates of Oblivion in Vvardenfell, Blacklight, and Silgrad Tower (it might be a good quest idea before the main ones for the areas).

07.02.2006 04:50

KuKulzA
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Yagrum Bagarn, in the Tel Fyr Corprusarium... Yes

I like your idea.. but I'm sure it is purely vague and conceptual... when it comes time... we can fine tune stuff
but for now, lets spit out ideas!

07.02.2006 05:03

Rodan
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Exactly, we get the ideas out and fine tune them.

A possible quest idea could be that the PC could look for the parts for a device to close the gates and have Yagrum build it. The first quest could be to find the plans at the second Dwemer ruin near Blacklight.

07.02.2006 05:16

Rodan
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I've been thinking that one of the forests near Cormaris View can also become a gateway. There could be a potential invasion of Cormaris as well that could become a good questline.

15.02.2006 19:56

KuKulzA
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invasion as in a Daedric invasion...?

15.02.2006 22:08

Rodan
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A beginning idea that after the main quest is completed the PC could have to close the remaining gates. One could be near Cormaris View, the forces there (which could have been recruited from Azhag) could be fighting there when the PC goes there.

16.02.2006 01:33

KuKulzA
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is Cormaris a Redoran or a Hlaalu town?
I mean thi sis all Redoran land I'd expect it to be Redoran.... but....
I saw a few screenshots at TR... they scared me... it was mostly Hlaalu....

are the Hlaalu taking over Redoran land or something?!?! Eek 1

16.02.2006 02:26

Razorwing
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quote:

Originally posted by KuKulzA
is Cormaris a Redoran or a Hlaalu town?
I mean thi sis all Redoran land I'd expect it to be Redoran.... but....
I saw a few screenshots at TR... they scared me... it was mostly Hlaalu....

are the Hlaalu taking over Redoran land or something?!?! Eek 1

From the pinned thread:
Cormaris View - Redoran village (2 cells) - Available

I think it was a Hlaalu town in the TES3 mod though.

16.02.2006 04:06

Rodan
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The next version of Cormaris will be Redoran.

16.02.2006 04:07

KuKulzA
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YAYA!

Redoran! yay! Redoran! yay! Redoran!
would rather have a Redoran town in the heart of the northern Redoran territory than a Hlaalu town
plus, Redoran are, in my opinion, better, and more interesting... to me...
I mean you have you city-like Hlaalu, Imperials, and Indoril... and your plantation-like Dres...
so then you have Redoran and Telvanni... architecturally way more interesting! Yes

EDIT: I have a concept art of a Redoran citadel that is begun... if you guys would like to see it when it is complete it will be in the Vvardenfell gallery and the concept thread (2) in the Vvardenfell forums

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16.02.2006 04:13

Razorwing
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I never really got why Hlaalu would build so far up north when their capital, Narsis, lies in southern Morrowind (reference). Actually I think Blacklight might have been intended as the Redoran capital, but that's just a guess on my part. Kragenmoor would make a good Redoran capital I think.

16.02.2006 04:18

KuKulzA
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yeah, although.... is Aldruhn the new capitol?
I think so because they look so highly on Venim for having brought the Council to Vvardenfell and established their own territory... plus defending against Red Mt. and helping the Redoran has a fresh start and a new frontier...

kinda like St. Petersburg was in a swampy bay... but it was a way to compete with the European powers cause it was a bay and coul trade with foreigners.... not like Moscow...
Aldruhn is in the Ashlands and is a frontier town... and not quite as large as Kragenmoor and Blacklight and Silgrad.... but it is important to the Redoran.... and Ald-Skar... and Ald-ruhn... the name means old-home... as if it was their promised land... as if saying by doing this they return home to a stronger future...

16.02.2006 04:24

Razorwing
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quote:

Originally posted by KuKulzA
yeah, although.... is Aldruhn the new capitol?
I think so because they look so highly on Venim for having brought the Council to Vvardenfell and established their own territory... plus defending against Red Mt. and helping the Redoran has a fresh start and a new frontier...

Ald'ruhn is pretty small for being a capital of the whole House Redoran I think? Look how big Balmora is, and that's not even the capital of House Hlaalu. Granted, not all Houses are the same size... and truth be told I don't really know. I dunno

16.02.2006 04:51

KuKulzA
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quote:

Originally posted by Razorwing

quote:

they gave the impression that the Redoran power shifting... but did not explicitly say that Ald-ruhn was the new capitol, just that a council group wen there...

16.02.2006 05:36

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