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Rodan
Spellbinder of Blacklight
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I've had a hard time thinking about this. In Morrowind, the quest line
was rejoining the city from the mad Dutchess (which I'm still working
on). But for the new game I'm having a time thinking of a new main
quest. The idea so far is that the city has grown with its rejoining
the Empire but should it have trouble with the Oblivion storyline or
something else? There could be a gate within the underground city but
that might not be the main quest. A more hidden agenda could be the
main idea.
So I need your ideas. The members here could give me a large mystery to solve with your thoughts. 
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07.02.2006 05:01 |
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Razorwing
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To be perfectly honest I'm sorry to say I have no idea whatsoever as to
the backdrop and history you created for the Blacklight region in TES3.
So when you mention the 'mad Dutchess' and Blacklight 'rejoining the
Empire' I don't have any idea what concepts you're referring to. That's
not a reflection on their quality, I'm just not acquainted with them.
If you'd like ideas pitched for your main quest, knowing the backdrop
you've already established would be important I think, if the pitches
are to have much meaning. Might be fodder for an article or two on your
website?
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07.02.2006 09:14 |
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Rodan
Spellbinder of Blacklight
Registration Date: 02.03.2003
Posts: 1,089
Location: City of Blacklight
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Correct. I've been giving ideas of cross quests (like the idea of a
device that closes any gates between our areas). I'm trying to give a
little bit of intrigue that can make a good quest line (I've probably
been watching too much of Murder, She Wrote, Charlie Chan, Topper, and
the Thin Man lately).
A possibility could be the death of many local figures after the death
of the Emperor causing chaos in other provinces as well. The PC could
be have to track the assassains and leading to another Oblivion gate
that they will have to close to solve the problem.
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07.02.2006 12:31 |
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KuKulzA
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....what about a Dragon?
perhaps a Dragon was stirred from the Dragontail Mts. and flew eastward
to Morrowind to escape constant war (Bretons, Redguards, Orcs, and
Nords)....
maybe taming it or killing it is an option?
maybe in the end if you tame it, the young dragon will guard Blacklight?
I know... very epic...
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07.02.2006 21:48 |
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Rodan
Spellbinder of Blacklight
Registration Date: 02.03.2003
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Location: City of Blacklight
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I like that idea as well. The Dragon could have been badly damaged and
is hiding somewhere near Blacklight. The PC might have to learn the
healing herbs to restrore it to normal so the Dragon can help defend
the city.
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09.02.2006 21:33 |
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KuKulzA
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a dragon defending blacklight..... how cool... 
enemies will get burned 
....hehehe
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10.02.2006 00:54 |
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KuKulzA
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how about when the Nords prepare a large invasion force to take
Blacklight, and siege it and push down to Cormaris View, you need to
find the dragon and get it to save the Redoran? |
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02.04.2006 02:01 |
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Siegfried
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Originally posted by KuKulzA
how about when the Nords prepare a large invasion force to take
Blacklight, and siege it and push down to Cormaris View, you need to
find the dragon and get it to save the Redoran? |
I like your idea.
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02.04.2006 17:03 |
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raggidman
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The Nord 'unrest' seems to be general conversation in Ob - so I would
think that the northern regions: Blacklight, ReichParkeep and
Vvardenfell (don't forget Solstheim) will all have to deal with that
topic - you might say that Bethsodt have dropped a biiig hint there...
But also there is the 'War on Vvardenfell between the Great Houses that
is being considered for the main Quest there to factor in...Vvardenfell
is going to be a vey busy area it seems.
If I understand the makeup of Blacklight (I still haven't got ST to run
on my comp but Blacklight and RPK are on the menu too) there are
gobboes and orcs in the area, not forgetting the Daedra and invading
nords
. What if they all have trouble with each other? That would leave the
'civilised' peoples of the area in a sea of troubles, beseiged on all
sides and could turn the imperial-leaning 'traitors' to turn to their
dunmer neighbours for support.
The scenario that follows accords with the idea that Redoran is on the
wane, and allows the player scope to address these issues, even as a
Redoran fan.
Now if you want cloak and dagger your MQ could be trying to rebuild the
trust and communications between the different factions and surviving
towns, villages and cities so that they have a chance to survive! Thus
forging new bonds... Maybe ewven with the invadeers eventually = true
heroquesting! The Nords will love that. They will also love testing
their metal against the hero!
This might make BlackLight a high level mod safer to play after you
have built up in other areas, but not impossible with a starter
character.
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spoken of and honour is to be endured. Whilst courage is to be
survived. These virtues belong to silence.
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But, if one man does nothing can he be said to be good? raggidman
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03.04.2006 10:49 |
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KuKulzA
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see the thing is... on the mainland the Redoran are waning a bit, but
on Vvardenfell the Redoran are still strong.... but overall they are in
a slow decline that has slowed down considerably with their
colonization on Vvardenfell....
though they don't have the plantations of the Hlaalu and all the littl
wizard holds of the Telvanni, they have more land and the ebony they
have gotten has made them economically strong enough to stop declining
as badly....
although they aren't economically first-rate like Dres or Hlaalu
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03.04.2006 22:33 |
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raggidman
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That makes sense to me. With the end of the 6th house and decline of
the Temple there would be a release of personnel and materiel back to
the Great Houses, and especially to Redoran who were the staunchest
supporters of the Tribunal on Vvardenfell at least. These resources
would then be available for House-specific use and this 'upsurge' would
be greatest on Vvardenfell - enabling them to maintain standing in the
face of adversity. Whereas on the mainland such an effect might be less
and insufficient to offset a general decline.
Add in the Redoran Holdings and mines that were under siege by the
Blight and its creatures and you might expect that, although for a
period of years Redoran would need to 'repair damages' on the island,
they might eventually recover somewhat provided there was an
environment that gave a market for their skills and resources. A Nord
invasion might provide this if the other Houses are also threatened...?
Sadly for the Redorans, since the invasion is from the North, they get
to face the threat in a situation where Hlaalu are not immediately
directly involved. So Hlaalu are laughing.
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One detail that I believe may be significant from TES3 was that a lot
of the 'slave caves' had Nord and Imperial personnel - so which House
was the main motivator behind the slave trade? I realise that various
Houses bought slaves, but who organised the raids that obtained them?
And what if any is their connection with the Nords?
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Because loyalty is not to be
spoken of and honour is to be endured. Whilst courage is to be
survived. These virtues belong to silence.
Steven Erikson.
But, if one man does nothing can he be said to be good? raggidman
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05.04.2006 11:21 |
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D.Foxy
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A thought. If there is a Nordic Invasion of Blacklight, why just play
the hero? Why not include the option to play the villian, and help the
Nord forces take Blacklight?
And as for war...is it possible to create 200 NPCs battling it out in
house-to-house fighting in the streets of Blacklight, with furniture
and dead horses creating street barricades, burning houses, catapults
shooting into the town, the whole cinematic nine yards and ten miles?
God am I a greedy S.O.B...
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05.04.2006 15:26 |
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raggidman
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If your character is Redoran you could still be a hero if you could
broker a deal with the Nords whereby they get the Imperial City of
Reich Parkeep and respect the neutrality of Silgrad Tower and other
areas.
But don't forget the orcs, goblins and Daedra!
Not to mention all the Necromancers that are springing up in Cyrodiil - do they affect things on this side of the mts?
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loyalty is not to be spoken of and honour is to be endured. Whilst
courage is to be survived. These virtues belong to silence.
Steven Erikson.
But, if one man does nothing can he be said to be good? raggidman
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05.04.2006 21:16 |
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KuKulzA
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how about the Orcs and Goblins are in Azhag's Orc Camp and the orc
mercenaries that came with the Nords defect to the "native" orcs?
well on Vvardenfell the Nords who have settled in the Sheogorad isles are attacking Redoran and Telvanni coastal towns...
in TES4 Vvardenfell, the revolutionary powers, Hlaalu, Dres, and the
Imperials of Helseth, etc. (as well as the Nords) are fighting the
remnants of Indoril, the Redoran, and the Telvanni, as well as freed
slaves and ashlanders... orcs won't side with the Nords, the Argonians
and khajiit won't side with the farm-slavering Hlaalu and Dres (though
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05.04.2006 22:52 |
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KuKulzA
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so basically... here I shall list our ideas and some I think there should be?
-dragon of Blacklight
-Nord invasion
-Azhag Orc forces
-Imperial and Redoran emnity
so I am thinking... the Nords attack... and the Imperials and Redoran
and Orcs band together... however, then the hero awakens a dragon who
was sent to Morrowind long go, failed in its mission and has hidden
away ever since. The dragon destroys one Nord army and the rest flee.
However, the Imperials fear that the Redoran would convince the dragon
to go against them, so they ally with the Nords who come back in larger
numbers. now it becomes a big conflict. Redoran & Orcs vs.
Imperials & Nords. And both sides want the dragon...
so which city will be attacked... Blacklight? or Cormaris View?
the regionalImperial power or the regional Redoran power?
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20.05.2006 14:56 |
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KuKulzA
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Originally posted by KuKulzA
so basically... here I shall list our ideas and some I think there should be?
-dragon of Blacklight
-Nord invasion
-Azhag Orc forces
-Imperial and Redoran emnity
so I am thinking... the Nords attack... and the Imperials and Redoran
and Orcs band together... however, then the hero awakens a dragon who
was sent to Morrowind long go, failed in its mission and has hidden
away ever since. The dragon destroys one Nord army and the rest flee.
However, the Imperials fear that the Redoran would convince the dragon
to go against them, so they ally with the Nords who come back in larger
numbers. now it becomes a big conflict. Redoran & Orcs vs.
Imperials & Nords. And both sides want the dragon...
so which city will be attacked... Blacklight? or Cormaris View?
the regionalImperial power or the regional Redoran power? |
if not.... we could....
have a Redoran conflict be the underlying thing.... though there is a
Nord vs Redoran thing, after that the Redoran aren't sure whether to go
back to tradition or to embrace the Imperial way, the ones of
Blacklight feel more for the outlanders who helped to fight off the
Nords, and the Cormaris View know they halted the Nord advance
themselves, Redoran...
I think all ideas so far are good...
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31.05.2006 00:40 |
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raggidman
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Once again the question is do the Legions act or remain neutral in the absence of orders from above?
If the Nords attack them, or Imperial settlements then I suspect that they will act.
The idea of the Orcs fighting alongside the Redorans is very appealing:
two groups with powerful military traditions finding common graound at
last... and that might eventually lead to a reversal of REdoran
fortunes that could spread to Vvardenfell?
One major question would be who sent the Dragon????
Also having an open Redoran - Imperial/Hlaalu/Dres conflict on the
mainland would totally contradict the Vvardenfell Mainquest and Lore
which is based upon there being truce on the mainland with open House
War only occurring on Vvardenfell itself.
Therefore it would be much more interesting if the major conflict
remained with the Nords and the Dragon, with extra espionage and
tensions building in respect of the Vvardenfell situation as a Lore
given.
There might be the odd minor clash as tensions rise that would occur
based upon unexpected local meetings, also 'special ops' type missions
might be running rife - so that the player never quite knows who to
trust, and what the NPC's current objectives are... and allowing for
betrayals and deceit on all sides, with the player often caught in the
middle...
Given such a fluid theatre of operations and high levels of
polarisation between factions there would be a great need for the
player to decide where his/her loyalties lie, and it would be impotant
for the developer to differentiate between the kinds of responses to
and opportunities open for players of different races. This I
understand is very possible with the RAI options in the CS.
Whether or not there are direct interactions between associated mods I
believe that all are made stronger if certain fundamental Lore
conventions between them are respected, as they can then refer to
ongoing situations to back up their own projects and atmosphere...?
__________________
Because loyalty is not to be
spoken of and honour is to be endured. Whilst courage is to be
survived. These virtues belong to silence.
Steven Erikson.
But, if one man does nothing can he be said to be good? raggidman
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31.05.2006 11:50 |
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KuKulzA
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Originally posted by raggidman
Whether or not there are direct interactions between associated mods I
believe that all are made stronger if certain fundamental Lore
conventions between them are respected, as they can then refer to
ongoing situations to back up their own projects and atmosphere...? |
I agree
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31.05.2006 23:42 |
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raggidman
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I do like the idea of choice, and this can be argued from the general
situation, but who is willing to do the work? To what extent would you
have to double up dialogue, buildings, etc?
It could be quite interesting if done well as part of an ongoing
process that the player takes part in... a very major quest. Oh, let's
be honest, it could be absolutely stunning!
In ES players usually think in terms of a house, or a
stronghold at the most. There was the small settlement of Raven Rock
and that was it... Now if you take part in a power battle of the sort
you could have here, then huge portions of the city might be 'made
over' to suit the dominant faction's taste and ego... and that would
leave a lot or room for pathos, tradgedy etc = the real cost in terms
of people's lives. go one way and a family is happily at home, go the
other and you meet them where they sleep on the pavement. Not to
mention you look for your favorite weapon shop, and find that it has
been closed down, or is under new ownership...
This could be done more easily in Oblivion because major cities have
walls and are in their own space...but it would really depend on the
time you are willing to put in.
How would you argue this for the Lore? Well, we hear that Redoran is
going down, but then so is the Empire... that might lead to a major
turn in local Redoran fortunes... esp following their victory over the
invading Nords... Maybe enough of the Imperials start to feel safer
with the Redorans in charge? And esp if the Legion is paralysed by
being cut off from its chain of command...?
Lots of quest opportunities of the subtle kind. Intrigue, espionage and
political machinations that you might think will turn out one way, but
end up as something completely different.
Above all remember the Cerro - the ST native vampire clan that we were
speculating might be Redoran Patriots - they might well take a serious
part in such a volatile situation - scaaary...
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Because loyalty is not to be
spoken of and honour is to be endured. Whilst courage is to be
survived. These virtues belong to silence.
Steven Erikson.
But, if one man does nothing can he be said to be good? raggidman
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02.06.2006 21:14 |
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I do too 
