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'secured the rights' for two Skyrim related books written by Theobald,
a modder form Tamriel Rebuild. I love them both. Here is the first one:
Fate of the Snow Elves
by Theobald
Squirrel, squirrel
Canst thou see?
There?s a Snow Elf behind thee!
Springing from the foxes den,
He hid himself behind the tree!
His feet tapping in the snow;
Where did he go? Do you know?
Giggling at you, little man;
Catch him! Catch him! Did he flee?
Find him quickly if you can!
Squirrel, squirrel
Canst thou see?
There?s a Snow Elf behind thee!
That?s how my mother used to mock me, when I was a small child and we
would venture into the forest to pick up sticks and logs for the fire.
And that is also one of the many various songs about Snow Elves that Nord mothers usually sing to their children.
As a youngling I was always eager to see these mysterious little beings
which seemed to be everywhere save for where I cast my gaze and I was
extremely furious that I always turned around too late and did not
manage to see one.
Most Nord children stop believing in Snow Elves when they grow up and
they lose all their childish interest in them in favor of much more
practical things like hunting, wrestling and mead. However, my interest
in them survived to my adult age and even now, in the autumn of my
life, they do not cease to provoke my curiosity and spark my
imagination.
FATE OF THE SNOW ELVES:
How does the history become a legend? How did these ancient mer, once
engaged in lengthy and bloody conflict with our fathers, transform into
the fairy-like bugaboo race of children?s songs? How can an entire
civilization disappear without leaving any, even the smallest, evidence
of its existence?
These were the questions which aroused my curiosity during my youth,
when I was studying at the world-famous bard collage in Haafingar.
Many Nord children know the Snow Elves from their mothers? songs and
sayings, but how many of these children, when they reach adulthood,
realize that there is a true story behind the folklore? That these
stories and songs derive from actual history, and were not merely
invented to frighten children?
We Nords are extremely selective in what we remember of our history. We
are proud of our bold ancestors, who came from Atmora to colonize
Tamriel; we remember deeds of ancient heroes who fought fierce monsters
and met with gods face to face; we praise mighty warriors in our songs
and recall the glorious battles they won. That is all well and good!
But what do we know about these who inhabited our lands long before us?
How much are we interested in the history, culture and character of
those we defeated and whom we overwhelmed in passing of time?
These are the questions Nords need to ask, but in fact want not to ask.
At least, that is what I have been told during my studies at the Bard
college. And that is perhaps one of the reasons I decided to leave it
and to choose my own path.
I dedicated my life to the research and rediscovery of those parts of
our history I considered important and not just those which have been
already preserved and interpreted and in some degree transformed by our
adored bardic tradition.
That is why I became a pilgrim, instead of bard, and why I spent 20
years of my life on the journeys through the land of my fathers,
seeking understanding more fully our customs and traditions.
However, in spite of the long years I spent on these journeys the
multitude of locales I visited and people I interviewed could show me
absolutely no trace of the Snow Elves. I did not see or explore any
ruin, encounter any artifact or scroll, or discover any site which
could suggest that it once belonged to Snow Elves.
This fact stole sleep from my yearning eyes many a night. How was it
possible that if Snow Elves once inhabited -- dominated, truly -- our
lands, they did not leave behind anything of their ways and culture
that would survive to this modern age for those of the present era to
discover?
I searched for explanations in libraries and familiarized myself with
many scholarly theories explaining this mystery, only to refute them
all at the end.
None dared to challenge the problem as it was and to conclude proper
consequences from the true state of being. They just offered plain
excuses for our ignorance instead.
For example, according to one, Snow Elves once lived at the peaks of
high mountains because that was the mildest climate in their time, but
now not even the heartiest of Nords can climb that mountain to see
these remnants to bear witness of their existence and survive to share
tales of what they have seen. What an insult to the brave highlanders
who reached even the most remote places of our lands that these library
worms in their cabinets do not even dare to think of!
More say that Snow Elves actually lived deep underground, far beneath
the icy cave tunnels. In favor of this ?underground? theory, its
defenders argue that it is also the image of Snow Elves in the
traditional songs and sayings, where Snow Elves lived in dens, caves
and holes in the ground. I would not put too much credence in this fact
and rather asked a question: How could any race survive in such hostile
conditions like those in the ice caverns, where there was no sunlight
and temperatures were so low that human breath freezes almost
immediately?
The most absurd theory says that the Snow Elves actually did not build
any architecture and lived in trees with symbiosis with the nature. I
would not even comment on such a ridiculous theory.
Least but not last, there is also small and often overlooked group of scholars, who's influence is growing in recent times.
According to them, Snow Elves are not truly extinct, and we can still
find their descendants in our lands; per example, on the wild island of
Solstheim. Yes, Rieklings are the twisted image they intend to hold the
legend and majesty of the Snow Elves.
For myself, I possess considerable doubt that these wild and primitive
'blue goblins' have any connection to the magnificent and noble race of
Snow Elves.
Perhaps there might be some hereditary connection and Rieklings
actually might be bewildered descendants of the Snow Elves, but even so
they would necessarily be dark and distant relations.
It is more than obvious that these primitive savages do not bear any
sign of possessing the rich cultural heritage of their hypothetical
ancestors.
This theory again gives no explanation to the central question: What
happened to the civilization of the Snow Elves, and where did all of
their marvelous artifacts and architecture vanish?
My explanation, however, is far more simple and persuasive; it is just
the one least pleasant to fellow archaeologists and to their hopes and
expectations.
Time swallows everything, and so it swallows even the Snow Elves,
however grandiose and spectacular their civilization might have been.
Unlike the Deep Elves of Morrowind, who disappeared suddenly at the
peak of their civilization, and who left behind great fortresses and
shrines for archaeologists to explore and rogues to loot, Snow Elves
were supposedly extinguished by our ancestors, millennia ago.
Their cities were razed to the ground by our fathers; their settlements
were covered by snow and ice; their bones were crushed into dust under
the conquering boots of our armies; their finery and craft melted down
to forge our weapons; and their shrines slowly brushed away by
merciless wind.
There is nothing left for us to discover; nothing but these legends and fairy-tales.
It is surely no coincidence that nowadays we can still visit ancient
ruins, which remain near our fathers? citadels, but there is not even
the slightest trace of the culture of their enemies, the Snow Elves.
Perhaps what I have been taught at the college was right, and we Nords
should not remember more of the past than is necessary for preserving
the proud ideals we have of ourselves today.
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Zarkis
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And the second one:
Book of Nordic proverbs
- One day crows feast at the wolf?s table, the next day on his corpse.
- Who sits nearest the fire breathes most smoke.
- There is no more wretched thing than that which makes a goblin sing.
- To see one wolf is to sense many.
- As the wise learn from error, so the brave rise from defeat.
- Even moonlight fades.
- Not everything in a bear pelt has it?s power.
- Those who leave the dead undisturbed see no spirits.
- What winter snow hides the spring sun will reveal.
- The wind blinds those who struggle against it, as it hides the future from those who follow it.
- To know the future one must remember the past.
- Not all wolves walk on four legs.
- He who fears defeat is lost.
- An impatient man will lose more time wandering in darkness than he who waits for the dawn.
- A strong tower repels warriors, but attracts thieves.
- Great armour does not make great warrior.
- Best to cross thin ice unburdened.
- Who fears death, never truly lives.
- To find out, what is on the bottom of the mug, you must drink all the beer.
- If you want to save your eyes close them. If you want to save your life keep them open.
- Small arms don?t swing big axes.
- Sometimes it is safer to be a beggar in rags than a warrior in armour.
- Babbling fools attract more fools, silent sages gather wisdom.
- The more years in a tree, the more strikes for the axe.
- This the wolf knows, even he is food for crows.
Collected by Theobald
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I read these on the TR forums and loved them. Great move to bring them over!
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very nice... although my personal theory on Falmer and Rieklings is ths....
traditionally, Goblins and Altmer has been 'partners' in war. The
Altmer used goblins as cannon fodder, frontline troops and as
auxiliaries. However, as elves spread across the world, Ayelids in the
Heartleand, Altmer on Summerset and High Rock, Bosmer developing in
Valenwood, Dwemer and Chimer in Morrowind, and Falmer in Skyrim and
other northern areas... some took with them their traditions. So it was
that the Falmer brought with them northern goblins to serve in their
armies and hunting parties. However, the adaptability of both peoples
turned Altmer-ish Falmer into the snow elves, and the more northern
goblins in Rieklings as time wore on. Rieklings, with their resistance
to cold, their strong musculature, and small body, are well adapted to
the freezing cold of Skyrim.
and so when the Nords arrived and with great difficulty killed off the
Falmer, they also encountered these northern goblins that have become
Rieklings, and used as mercenaries and slave-warriors by the Falmer...
and as time passed, and oral traditions error, Rieklings and Falmer
became one in the histories of the Nords. Also, this may have sprund
from perhaps a reliance of the Falmer on Rieklings to boost their army
as the Skyrim tundra cannot support a high population. It is likely the
Falmer either lived in dens or nomadic. Therefore when their people
where gathered for war, they needed to also to gather Rieklings, so
eventually Riekling was a connotation for Falmer and Falmer for
Riekling as they fought together vs. Nords for so long. Also, it would
probably be customary for the Nords to jeer at the Falmer by calling
them Rieklings partially because of their "alliance" with them perhaps.
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Great job scoring those books, Zarkis 
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One of MY nordic histories for Skyrim.
According to ancient Nordic tradition, the Snow Elves, or Falmer, were
a brave and valorous people. Our wars spanned generations and almost
laid low both cultures. Our good fortune was that we survived more or
less intact while the Falmer did not. Still to this day great ruins
survive near our cities and towns, some of elven heritage yet others of
our own ancient past. Sadly, with the fall of their beloved Snow
Prince, the Falmer lost their heart and soul. Our Nordic forefathers
buried the Prince with great honor and dignity as befitted his courage
and heart. The Falmer were almost extinguished in that last battle,
leaving only a shattered remnant to wander into the darkness.
The sad relics of the once great Falmer race took to living in caves,
in fear for their safety. All their civilization did nought for them in
these straits; survival became the only culture they could afford, for
many generations to come.
Through the aeons the Falmer did survive, but the cost was great. So
much had been lost in the scramble for survival. Their stature shrunk,
as is the Green Mother's way, making them sturdier and better fit for
their cave life. Lacking the warm kiss of Mother Sun, the Falmer's skin
grew dark and leathery, better to protect them from the damp cold
below. When at last their numbers increased to the point their cold
caves could no longer contain them, they once again appeared above
ground.
Now known as Reiklings to those unfortunate enough to have made their
aquaintance, these savage descendants of a once great people have
nought left of their forefathers but their skill in battle. Small of
stature, yet they can lay low many a tall, proud Nordic warrior in the
span of a heartbeat.
While not the noble and beautiful Falmer of ancient times, the
Reiklings have our pity for what they have become and our respect for
the tenacity and skill it took to do it.
Lildacea MacCumal
Archaeologist of Highkeep
Scribe of Solitude
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Zarkis
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It never hurts to have some different views on a very mysterious topic.
Looking forward the first archeological conference about the
Falmer/Snow Elves/Reiklings debate in the city hall of Riften (weapons
not allowed)... 
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Razorwing
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Several theories can definitely be used in parallell with each other,
but if the theories are to be truly equal to one another there can't be
anything in the mod that support one theory over the other. Doing so
would imply there's just one correct view. And it would be a shame to
leave the concept out of the mod, I think... I guess if there are two
different theories, one could make a poll about it and see which theory
is the most popular one among our members?
Oh, and generally speaking, once you guys settle something maybe we should add it to the Lore board? Just a thought.
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Galrina
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Actually the theories do not differ so much as the background noise
does. lol What I see is two different views of the same history with
the Imperial based Bardic view casting the Nordic views into doubt. It
is not surprising that the Bardic College would not like the idea that
a proud culture such as the Falmer could degenerate into the Reiklings,
yet anthropologically the theory is not only sound but highly probable.
Once too many of the leaders and thinkers of any culture die off, the
culture tends to dwindle and fade into antiquity, leaving their
descendants primitive and savage seeming. (Look at the cultures in our
own world which have done the same.)
Again I believe their way of looking at Nordic culture itself lends to
the apparent disagreement. It is implied that our Fathers treated the
Falmer with disdain and destroyed their culture. Historically, our
Fathers treated all heroes with honor, whether they be Nordic or not.
While there is as yet no ironclad proof as to the origins of the
Reiklings, it was long rumored that the remnants of the Falmer did take
refuge in the labyrinthian caves within our mountains. Evolution over
the millenia would indeed bring changes to stature and skin color. The
rigors of life in that cold, harsh environment would not long allow the
continuation of the high Falmer culture, instead all their energy would
have to have been spent on staying alive.
We may never know the true fate of the Snow Elves or the origin of the
Reiklings however the connection between the two is highly probable.
With fresh thinkers from the Bardic College and our own Archaeological
findings, perhaps we can come closer than ever to deciphering this
mystery!
Oops, forgot to sign it! (The chance to discuss these with someone not of our own school has excited me far too much! lol)
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Galrina
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I look forward to the opportunity to do some spelunking and exploring
with you Zarkis, however we may have to restrain our comrades Danath
and Razorwing. Their love of "if it moves it dies" may impede our
investigations at times so we will have to watch them closely.
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Zarkis
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@RW
So far, there isn't anything which supports one theory over the other (and I won't sneak anything in...I promise
). Why should we destroy a beautiful mystery with boring answers...
@Danath_in
lol...You certainly win the originality price of the Riften archeological meeting. 
@Galrina
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Galrina
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Well Zark, I suppose this means we'll have to come up with some quests
into deep dark cold icy caves to search for bits and pieces of
archaeological history. 
hehehehe
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05.03.2006 22:18 |
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Zarkis
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Yes...Maybe the player finds a leg bone of a "piggie"... 
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05.03.2006 22:32 |
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KuKulzA
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well whether the Falmer are Rieklings now or they were closely associated....
the Rieklings are here now, and they are both closely associated.....
personally I think, that out of the two routes, me and Galrina had presented the best theories...
anyhow, I don't care either way, but perhaps the archeological place in
Riften has two camps... one group believes in the close association,
the other believes in the evolution into Rieklings... who knows? 
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In hindsight I might have jumped to the wrong conclusion that one
theory in this thread supported that snow elves were much like other
races of elves but that they presumably died out long ago and that
riecklings are related to goblins, while the other theory supported the
idea that snow elves evolved / degenerated to riecklings. Maybe the
memory of the old Snow Elf reskin Quentin Fortune did back in -04
played some part in me reaching that conclusion.
But the thought behind my previous post was that:
1) I personally think it would be really cool if these snow elves slash
riecklings slash falmer were something the player could experience
hands-on in the mod.
2) If that were to happen there couldn't really be conflicting explanations for them.
There could be erraneous theories, sure - erraneous in the sense that
they differed from what was decided to be shown hands-on in the mod -
but maybe it should then be highlighted that they were theories and not
facts. I'm speaking very generally now, not directly related to the
writings in this thread. The parallell theories would work even better
if the setup was that the player finally solved the mystery of the
Falmer, which is why there would have been different theories at the
start of the game.
But another part of the thought was that if you guys couldn't reach a
conclusion about which theory should be the 'correct' one then it might
be best to omit the actual Falmer from the mod, because then all
theories would be just as valid and not disproven by what the player
experienced in the mod. And everyone would be happy and dance and sing.
Btw Galrina, just a sidenote, I don't think I've heard the term
"Nordic" used officially, just "Nord". Maybe because Bethesda didn't
want to overplay the Viking influence of the race, since they borrow a
fair share of influence from other cultures as well? Just something
that crossed my mind.
Oh, and let me know when you guys want me to set up a Skyrim board and
which (if any) existing threads you'd like to be moved there.
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there seems to be more support for the Riekling = Falmer theory.... but
I still hold on to the possibility of my theory... however I do like
both... and also... can I contribute to conceptualizing Falmer
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Razor: I suppose it's time to do a Skyrim thread huh? hehehe
Kuk: If your conceptual art of the Wendigo several months back is any
indication, I think it would be great if you'd do a few test sketches
to get us all started?
Also, Danath lost the Wendigo sketch when we got blown away (so to speak) and if you still have it could you please repost?
I hadn't really thought about bringing the Falmer back into the game, I
have been more or less hammering out the Lore for the Skyrim region,
however you're right RW. It would be extremely cool to bring it to life
in the mod, if we can come to some consensus.
At any rate, the Lore we are "building" lends itself to a lot of
possible quests somewhere and sometime. We've got such a great bunch of
creative thinkers on this board that I can't see anything being a
roadblock for long.
LOVE IT!!!
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THANKS A MILLION!!
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Woot! Thanks a million Kuk! *HUGS*
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Originally posted by Galrina
Woot! Thanks a million Kuk! *HUGS* |
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Galrina
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LOL I don't think I want to know Razor! LMAO
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Hehe prolly not
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Originally posted by KuKulzA
damnit!
just call me kuku or ku from now on.... now I do not disagree that my
kuk is worth more than a million, infact, its inmeasurable in value,
BUT..... Razorwing.... you have just opened my eyes to something
embarrassingly disgusting.... people on this forum call me for short:
kuk, kuku, or ku.... gosh
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Sorry man 
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KuKulzA
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Originally posted by Razorwing
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Originally posted by KuKulzA
damnit!
just call me kuku or ku from now on.... now I do not disagree that my
kuk is worth more than a million, infact, its inmeasurable in value,
BUT..... Razorwing.... you have just opened my eyes to something
embarrassingly disgusting.... people on this forum call me for short:
kuk, kuku, or ku.... gosh
.....so I am a cock.... shit..... |
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its ok... language is language....
"yes" in one regional Taiwanese is a swear in another region....
so its cool, I don't mind... as I said, its an overreaction to a minor thing...
I am sorry for my rudeness... but you notice I did not delete it...
believe that if I am stupid enough to say it/post it, I might as well
take responsibility for it... live with no regrets, be a man and be
responsible...
wow, now I am getting philosophical... out of what? ...kuk
...Razorwing, you really got me started
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LOL Guys, I raised 3 boys and 2 girls, you can't shock this old lady. I
won't call you that anymore.. lol. How about Kooky? or Kukla? 
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Originally posted by Galrina
How about Kooky? or Kukla?
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kuk.... 
...kuk will be fine... 
anyhow, sorry for all this disturbance, although Razorwing kindly
enlightened us to some Swedish, it was I who type-bad... so lets talk
Skyrim...
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Originally posted by Razorwing
In hindsight I might have jumped to the wrong conclusion that one
theory in this thread supported that snow elves were much like other
races of elves but that they presumably died out long ago and that
riecklings are related to goblins, while the other theory supported the
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hmmm.... yeah we have 2 schools of thought on this matter...
but regardless, Rieklings are misunderstodd, whether they are
now-Falmer or closely associated, they aren't stupid (Krish hiring
Grahl), they aren't without leadership (Dulk rallying the loyal
Rieklings to old Kaarstag Caslte), and they ARE strong and fast....
really... although they are midgets.... like halflings... ugly
hobbitses, but not as ugly as Gollum
personally I am planning to after Vvardenfell make some betmer mods
allowing you to play as goblins, Rieklings, Sload, and dreugh... maybe
others even... This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by KuKulzA: 06.03.2006 04:08.
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06.03.2006 03:20 |
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Greybeard
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All the joviality aside, I think these texts deserve to be put ingame. Any relevant comments?
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28.08.2006 04:20 |
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Greybeard
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Well then, in they go. They're much too good not to share.
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