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Siegfried
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Registration Date: 07.03.2006
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Runes

You guys are planning on using runes for your Nord Alphabet right? Have you decided on a set yet, and if you have do you have a picture of it you could link me to? I'm just curious because I'm wipping up some concept armors for Nords and I would like to put some runes on the armor, so far I have the concept for a Viking looking set done, and now I'm working on a furry barbarian suit with animal heads and such. I'm thinking about doing a runic steel armor, basically just ob steel but covered in runes and designs. If you have any requests for any kinds of concepts just give me a brief description of what you want and I'll take a shot at it. My scanner isn't working right now though, so I won't be able to upload them until maybe sometime next week.

09.03.2006 18:10

Danath_in
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are you familiar with the elder futhark? for the runes on the armor might be a good idea to create what is cald a Bind rune wich is acutualy one rune made from 2+ runes combined together.
gal is checking her stuff to see if we have graphics for the rune set she thinks she does but she isn't sure. it wont take much for her to create a decent set if need be.
while your at it would you mind giving a shot at a couple of rune stones for the city entrances and also to be used instead of road posts.

cant wait to see what you are comming up with

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09.03.2006 18:23

Galrina
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Bind-runes were created to enhance the power of something while remaining unreadable by the uninitiated. According to Runic lore, Galdur staves (staffs carved with several bind-runes) were the weapon of choice for magic users. Combining runes for power, protection, health, wealth, etc. would be ideal for adventurers.

Here is a font set that is simple yet will give you a good base to work from. There is a text file included with the font so you can see the entire runic alphabet. The runes themselves can be idealized to enhance their appearance (in bind runes) which also helps to conceal their meanings. It's not exactly the Elder Futhark but perfect for our purposes I think.

Attachment:

iefuthrk.zip

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09.03.2006 18:29

Siegfried
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Thanks for the runes. I think I have a book somewhere on runes, so I'll take a look at that. By runestones for cities I assume you mean a large stone with the cities name written in runes, right?

10.03.2006 01:13

Danath_in
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np thats the rune set we will be using accourding to gal.

as far as your deduction on the runestones function your absolutly right

Sig, you mentioned you had a book on runes wich one is it you have ??

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10.03.2006 01:16

Siegfried
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Ok, I took a shot at the Riften Runestone, unfortunately, my copy of MS Word is warped and so it won't read the new font, where the runes should be there are just random letters from different types of font. I decided to take a shot and guess the letters, so I just looked at the runes in the file that Word was supposed to reference for the rune art, and just went from the first one it listed and assumed it was A, second was B, third was C, ect. I then ruffed this out in photoshop. (It's very crude, just the basic form of the stone and then the runes, please don't critique the artistic element, but rather the concept of the piece.)

Riften Runestone:

I'm not sure I came out what you guys had in mind, let alone used the runes correctly, but I have this poor concept. Please give me your thoughts.

11.03.2006 03:28

Danath_in
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no cut and past nessecery link worked fine

looks just like what we have in mind and that will also call for a texture for each town city and village stone.

very very nice conceptual illistration

okies as for the usage your 100% on how to use the runes for the stone. when reading the runes from the top to the bottom yeilds a word that deffinatly isn't riften I know very very well it takes a lot of time getting used to reading the runic alphabet

the text file will show the runes in the apropriate place once the font is installed on the system.

ps: please dont shoot me over spelling lol

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11.03.2006 03:34

Siegfried
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quote:

Originally posted by Danath_in
ps: please dont shoot me over spelling lol

Ok, so you're saying it's ok if I misspell things? That could make my job a lot easier. On another note I started working on a concept for Riften Guard Armor, would you like me to come up with some kind of crest for the city of Riften, or will we just use runes, for example the insignia of the towns current ruler, and if so any suggestions?

11.03.2006 03:46

Danath_in
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the guards will have the hold hearldy on their sheilds instead of their armor at this point in time we havent developed the 9 symbols of hearldy. that I do belive is in galsrinas areana since she has more of a knowledge of how the hold/clan symbles should be.

I was talking about my spelling in my posts I cant spell my way outa a wet paper bag.

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11.03.2006 03:50

Siegfried
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Ok, lol. Thanks for the clarification.

11.03.2006 03:59

Danath_in
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one of the books I have for resources is titaled " The Northern Way"
by Thorsson probably one of the best rescources available on runic lore and usage.

Got it to work with wordpad so you might want to experiemnt with that

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11.03.2006 04:09

Razorwing
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Wouldn't it be cooler to make up a new alphabet inspired by the futhark? Might also be a handy way to get around the fact that Nords aren't 100% vikings.

11.03.2006 08:44

Danath_in
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hehe.. Gal here.

Actually, that font that I loaded is NOT quite the elder futhark. There are several glaring errors if it were to be used as an actual representation of it. I feel as such it is perfect for Skyrim. (To be honest I have yet to see an accurate font set for the futharks.)

As for whether or not the Nords are Viking? Well, it was my understanding that viking is actually a verb. Norse men went on a viking... raid, exploration, etc. I believe the word actually means to raid.

The Skyrim Nords will not be the Norse of our world. They are closer to an amalgamation of our own Celts and Norse. The legend of the Wild Hunt for instance is a great example. That is an actual Celtic legend in which Herne or Kerne, the God of the Woods (the Green Man, etc) leads the "undying" or the Fey folk on a hunt after the White Stag (which is another aspect of Herne himself). According to Irish lore, when the Wild Hunt rides on Samhain night, any mortal who joins is lost forever.

Actually, I think Bethesda has already begun the blending of Norse/Celtic lore and customs. Some of the woodwork I saw in the screenshots of the Nord houses showed definite Celtic knotwork. So, I think we're on the right path.

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11.03.2006 09:27

Razorwing
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Okidoki, that sounds like a good solution.

11.03.2006 14:11

Galrina
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One of the reasons I chose this particular font was the simplicity of the runes. They are very adaptable and can be embellished, curved, ornamented, etc to suit whatever purpose. Even this is historically correct. lol While both the old Norse and old Celtic alphabets (runes and ogham) were simple, to enable them to be carved quickly and easily into stone or wood, in great halls and on weapons, banners, etc. the letters were often stylized and cursive to make them more decorative.

Sooo.. have a ball with em! hehehe

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11.03.2006 18:59

Sigurd
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Oi, the Asatruar in me is coming out. That font set is innacurate, but as Galrina and Danath_in have pointed out, it could be seen as a good representation of Skyrim. I dont know about it though, could be because of my bias that I wanna use the Elder Germanic Futhark.

Also, I have some pictures of some good bindrunes, such as the Runic Compass.

29.06.2006 17:37

DarkAsmodeous
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I think we should stay away from actual languages, keep it tamrielic. Then again, it's arrogant of me to assume that the only earth language on nirn is english, but I'm sure people who play localized versions agree.

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29.06.2006 18:37

raggidman
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Yer very correct about the language there Dark As - though I hope you temper that with very generous and liberal allowance for a predominance fo Skand/Celtic expression, customs etc including naming conventions etc.

Clearly the Gal and her dearly beloved are spot on with the Skan Nord mix, and runes are the way to go - the colder the climate the clumsier the first appearance of made things, until you realise how carefully and precisely they are chosen in support of life and culture.

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13.07.2006 00:06

TheImperialDragon
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How about simple shapes; squares, rectangles, triangles, circles... meaning different things... The Nords were always simple and not very sophistocated.

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The Old Ye Bard
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I'm sorry TheImperialDragon but the nords aren't as dumb as you think they are, they aren't simple, and they are sophistocated.

13.07.2006 06:07

TheImperialDragon
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I never said they were stupid, but almost all cultures had symbols that started off as simple shapes... Then they evolved into somewhat more complicated shapes as time passed... Think of the greek alphabet... Lots of curves and lines and stuff, but it usually follows a patern. Roman numerals: III means three, II means two, I means one...

13.07.2006 06:40

raggidman
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Maybe the way to understand the Nords is they enjoy pulling the wool over peoples' eyes. They love to play the country bumpkin, because under all that buffoonishness they are a very hard, ruthless and sophisticated people, and they enjoy to the fullest the advantage that being underestimated gives them.

Consider their Grand Master Wind Mages - to contoll such power requires exceptionally high Int? Those major mages may be thought to have disappeared, but I am betting that they just got tired of dealing with the everyday stuff, and of course, the really hard Nords do not need clothing, crafted weapons etc...

'course, the 'youngsters', just starting out, may be enamoured of the trappings of 'so-called' civilisation, and need them. Those youngsters have a long way to go and a lot to learn...

Probably the younger ones have low int because they drink the wrong things... Wink

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14.07.2006 00:01

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