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TheGreatOrcUmbra
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we could have new daedric gods in skyrim...kinda like hircine except more "wintery"
names I came up with in 30 seconds:
streklet:god of the long winter
numansi:godess of ice
alktobari:god of winters animals and hibernation
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Glacian, princess of death?
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TheGreatOrcUmbra
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Glacian, princess of death? |
nice
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06.07.2006 03:47 |
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No new Daedric Gods.
End of story.
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06.07.2006 03:49 |
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Siegfried
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Interesting idea, but the Nords worship Aedra not Daedra. Worship of
the gods of the elven witches would be looked down upon in Skyrim, and
the shamans who lead the Nordic faith would hunt down Daedra
worshipers. Perhaps we could have "Nordic Interpretations" of certain
prominent Daedra, but that would for the most part just be a different
name, and a differnet perspective on their identity. One such example
is Herma Mora, once before the Nords left Atmora, the Daedric god of
time cursed the Nords radically shortening their lifespans, from what
equaled the lives of elves, to only about 6 years. An Aedra stepped in
though (probably Akatosh, maybe Kynareth) and gave the Nords the
lifespans they have today. So Herma Mora would likely be considered a
Demonic force, and I plan that he be treated as such. Also there will
be Atronach Princes, very powerful and influential Atronachs, some seek
to become Daedric Princes similar to the way Malacath went from being a
powerful elf (Trinimac) to a daedra. |
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xifr
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Treading a fine line here. Adding new gods could easily conflict with lore. Here are some things from the Lore FAQ:
It is generally agreed that there are sixteen Daedra Princes, each of whom occupies a distinct realm of Oblivion
This could be difficult to get around. However:
On Aedra
Of these immortals, eight in particular are widely revered across
Tamriel as the primary agents responsible for the creation of the
mortal plane, an act known as the Great Construction.
Those 8 + Tiber Septim make the 9 divines. What this text implies, is
that there are other Aedra that are not so popular, due to not having
such pivotal roles in the great construction and other worldly events.
My idea:
Various smaller cults of nords that worship these less popular Aedra.
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10.07.2006 11:28 |
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xifr: That text you ae refering to is about the Eight gods that Created Nirn, it excludes Talos because he didn't help in creating it.
There is only 9 Aedra, there was two more but Lorkan died(?) and
Mannimarco became an Aedra for a short time, and it is debated if a
fraction of him remains a god(This is because after you kill Mannimarco
his heavenly body reamains, his moon).
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sacredstick
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wouldn't new daedric lords conflict with tamrielic lore?
nice idea though.
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Hrafnkel
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Just to point out, there's more than 8 Aedra. There's the 8 Aedra of
the 9 Divines cult, as well as the ones like Y'ffre, Trinimac (dead
though), Magnus, and a few others.
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Psychotic
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Originally posted by Hrafnkel
Just to point out, there's more than 8 Aedra. There's the 8 Aedra of
the 9 Divines cult, as well as the ones like Y'ffre, Trinimac (dead
though), Magnus, and a few others. |
And don't forge that Tiber Septim ascended, so he to is an Aedra of sorts.
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20.08.2006 04:30 |
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There is only 8 oringinal aedra, and tiber septim makes 9. The only other aedra that has ever existed is mannimarco.
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Psychotic
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
There is only 8 oringinal aedra, and tiber septim makes 9. The only other aedra that has ever existed is mannimarco. |
That has been proven to exist that is. Just to add that Beth did a lousy job with him in OB.
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20.08.2006 05:04 |
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Hrafnkel
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
There is only 8 oringinal aedra, and tiber septim makes 9. The only other aedra that has ever existed is mannimarco. |
No... No, that is completely wrong. Magnus helped create the world, and
remains (to an extent), and is an Aedra. Phynaster and Trinimac are
ancestor spirits of the Altmer, and 'Aedra' is literally the Aldmeri
word for 'ancestors.' In all likelyhood, Z'en, Xarxes and Y'ffre can or
could be counted amongst the Aedra, too. The Aedra are all of the
et'Ada who took part in the world's creation and are practically
infinite, we just only know some of their names.
Edit: Actually, Trinimac might've been a prophet. Pretty sure most sources I've seen said 'ancestor spirit' though.
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Psychotic
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Originally posted by Hrafnkel
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
There is only 8 oringinal aedra, and tiber septim makes 9. The only other aedra that has ever existed is mannimarco. |
No... No, that is completely wrong. Magnus helped create the world, and
remains (to an extent), and is an Aedra. Phynaster and Trinimac are
ancestor spirits of the Altmer, and 'Aedra' is literally the Aldmeri
word for 'ancestors.' In all likelyhood, Z'en, Xarxes and Y'ffre can or
could be counted amongst the Aedra, too. The Aedra are all of the
et'Ada who took part in the world's creation and are practically
infinite, we just only know some of their names.
Edit: Actually, Trinimac might've been a prophet. Pretty sure most sources I've seen said 'ancestor spirit' though. |
Pfft... Details, details. 
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Hrafnkel
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Details are the most important part of life, though. 
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Psychotic
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Originally posted by Hrafnkel
Details are the most important part of life, though.
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As I said before: Pfft...
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And as I said before there is only 8 aedra and talos and Mannimarco.
Magnus isn't a god it's completly differnt, stop trying to make up
lore.
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Siegfried
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
And as I said before there is only 8 aedra and talos and Mannimarco.
Magnus isn't a god it's completly differnt, stop trying to make up lore. |
So what is Y'ffre?
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Hrafnkel
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How the hell is Magnus different? He just waited the longest to try and
pull out of the process, and ripped a bigger hole in the Void. He took
part in the creation, and is thus an Aedra. No one's making up lore,
you're just cutting chunks out of it.
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Psychotic
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Originally posted by Hrafnkel
How the hell is Magnus different? He just waited the longest to try and
pull out of the process, and ripped a bigger hole in the Void. He took
part in the creation, and is thus an Aedra. No one's making up lore,
you're just cutting chunks out of it. |
Settle down you two! I'm I gonna have to separate you?
TOYB's point was that Magnus isn't mentioned as an Aedra anywhere, and
Hrafnkel's point was that it would make sense for Magnus to be an
Aedra. Please correct me if I'm wrong. 
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20.08.2006 20:07 |
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Yes, that is exactly my point no where has he been mentioned as a god.
Also your veiwing Magnus as a being, where actually he is a thing.
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Hrafnkel
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TYOB's point seems more like "The Cyro-Nordics only pay much attention to these 8 so they must be the only ones."
Just kidding, of course.
But, my point was actually more along the lines of "The definition of
'aedra' would be 'et'Ada who took part in the creation of nirn,' which
would be all et'Ada except for the Daedra, which would make every star
in the sky a minor Aedra, as well as Magnus, and Y'ffre, and the 8
Divines, etc."
So yes, it would make sense that Magnus would be an Aedra, and I've got
no idea where he's getting his idea that there's only 8 (plus
Mannimarco and Talos).
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Y'ffre is I'm pretty sure just a diffent culture view on a god. Also
you don't have anything to back up what your saying. Also the satars
are glimpses into Oblivion, and a shooting star is a rip into oblivion.
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Psychotic
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
Also the satars are glimpses into Oblivion, and a shooting star is a rip into oblivion. |
I can't wait for the Tamrielians to invent science!
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Siegfried
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
Y'ffre is I'm pretty sure just a diffent culture view on a god. Also
you don't have anything to back up what your saying. Also the satars
are glimpses into Oblivion, and a shooting star is a rip into oblivion. |
I don't think so, he's referenced in Bosmeri and Altmeri mythology.
None of the other gods have anything to do with creating the earth
bones and giving stability to the world. |
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Checked TIL, Y'ffre is another name for Lorkan. Also Hrafnkel the
Altmeri patheon included heros aswell, such as Trinimac who was eaten
by a daedra and returned as the Daedric God Malacath, or Mauloch
depending on what pantheon.
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Psychotic
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
Checked TIL, Y'ffre is another name for Lorkan. Also Hrafnkel the
Altmeri patheon included heros aswell, such as Trinimac who was eaten
by a daedra and returned as the Daedric God Malacath, or Mauloch
depending on what pantheon. |
Yep, so technically he's a daedra now, the father of all Orcs.
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Siegfried
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
Checked TIL, Y'ffre is another name for Lorkan. |
Could you post the quote from the library? I've never heard Y'ffre
being a counterpart of Lorkhan. Lorkhan exists in elven pantheons and
is viewed as an evil god. This is what I found on Y'ffre
Y'ffre (God of the Forest): Most important deity of the Bosmeri
pantheon. While Auri-El Time Dragon might be the king of the gods, the
Bosmer revere Y'ffre as the spirit of 'the now'. According to the Wood
Elves, after the creation of the mortal plane everything was in chaos.
The first mortals were turning into plants and animals and back again.
Then Y'ffre transformed himself into the first of the Ehlnofey, or
'Earth Bones'. After these laws of nature were established, mortals had
a semblance of safety in the new world, because they could finally
understand it. Y'ffre is sometimes called the Storyteller, for the
lessons he taught the first Bosmer. Some Bosmer still possess the
knowledge of the chaos times, which they can use to great effect (the
Wild Hunt).
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20.08.2006 21:06 |
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Techniquely, but really he is only counted as one because he has sphere of OB.
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Psychotic
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Techniquely, but really he is only counted as one because he has sphere of OB. |
What more do you need really.
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20.08.2006 21:07 |
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Just because they didn't take part in the creation, doesn't mean they
aren't "Real" Aedra. Also a lot of cultures have one god seperated into
two, espeacialy the Yokudan pantheon(they are notorius for this). If
you don't beleive me make a thread of at TIL or TR about it, you'll get
the same response.
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20.08.2006 21:11 |
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Hrafnkel
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Lorkhan's already split into two. The other half being Auri-El. Nothing
about your 'Y'ffre is Lorkhan' claim makes sense, and you didn't show
us where you read it like Siegfried requested.
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Psychotic
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
Just because they didn't take part in the creation, doesn't mean they
aren't "Real" Aedra. Also a lot of cultures have one god seperated into
two, espeacialy the Yokudan pantheon(they are notorius for this). If
you don't beleive me make a thread of at TIL or TR about it, you'll get
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The Aedra and Daedra are powerful beings that exist on another plain of
existence; they were all once Daedra, but the Aedra created Nirn and
separated themselves from the rest of the Daedra thus becoming Aedra.
All others that ascend or join the Aedra in any way become a part of
their ?rebellion? and can be considered as Aedra.
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