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Karzan
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Registration Date: 29.12.2006
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Redoran Wars

I've heard people talking about the Wars between the Redoran and the Nords while playing Oblivion. Maybe we could make a few quests on this topic? In Eastern Skyrim of course. Maybe an entire faction representing the Nordic culture's anger at the Dunmer. Maybe the end quest could be a large skirmish of sorts? Nords against Dark Elves on a snow plain? (Don't know if that's possible)

I don't know... Just throwing around ideas at the moment, but I'd have quite a lot of fun with a faction like this.

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29.12.2006 06:27

Mormacil
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You should co?rdinate this with Vvardenvell mod Wink

It would indeed be a cool idea. As far for you're big final battle. I wouldn't recommend it. the OB engine isn't designed for a lot of units on your screen at the same time.

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29.12.2006 06:31

Karzan
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Damn it all to hell!!!

How many would you think is the max amount of units that could be fighting at the same time?

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29.12.2006 06:33

The Old Ye Bard
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quote:

Originally posted by Karzan
Damn it all to hell!!!

How many would you think is the max amount of units that could be fighting at the same time?

Over 8-10 and you'll notice lag, wars are (nearly) immposible to implement in the OB engine.

29.12.2006 06:41

Mormacil
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We could imply a movie though Tongue

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29.12.2006 06:43

Karzan
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You can make movies? That'd be pretty cool... Having a battle... And then skipping to you, the warrior for the Nords... Fighting the Redoran commander or something... Maybe the Redoran commander kills the Nord commander? Which would then make you chieftan when you kill the Dunmer?

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29.12.2006 07:32

Arbiter
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Not wars, covert ops.

Thinks splinter cell. Yes

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29.12.2006 08:53

Psychotic
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quote:

Originally posted by Mormacil
We could imply a movie though Tongue

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Yeah, maybe we should just insert a few quick shots of "Medieval2: Total War" in that movie... no one will know.

One of the Solstheim quest lines will deal with the Redoran conflict (all coordinated with Vv of course), but it will probably contain covert ops kind of missions (as Arbiter said) rather then big battles... a few small skirmishes are possible though.

29.12.2006 09:23

Krisi-_
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quote:

Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
Over 8-10 and you'll notice lag, wars are (nearly) immposible to implement in the OB engine.

depends on area really but at 8-10 you got lag for sure... wish Oblivion had a more NWN2 like engine...

quote:

Thinks splinter cell. :Yes:

isn't that taking it a little long.. Splinter Cell is supposed to never have been there...

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29.12.2006 21:45

Mormacil
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quote:

Originally posted by Psychotic

quote:

Originally posted by Mormacil
We could imply a movie though Tongue

quote:

Yeah, maybe we should just insert a few quick shots of "Medieval2: Total War" in that movie... no one will know.

I was thinking in making a movie ourselfs, then convert that to .bik format Tongue

29.12.2006 23:57

Arbiter
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Hmm... a movie?

If it's some kind of show-off, I'd say no. Zoomed combat one-on-one sucks in OB. You'd need some cool animations, ya know like in Dark messiah and stuff to make it look dramatic and good.

Some global camera sweep over the battlefield could do, on the other hand. Yes

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30.12.2006 10:41

Siesta Guru
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UUh, me timestop spell might come handy here Tongue

to simulate some kind of a bullet time

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30.12.2006 10:47

Psychotic
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quote:

Originally posted by Siesta Guru
UUh, me timestop spell might come handy here Tongue

to simulate some kind of a bullet time

Elder Scrolls V: The Matrix

30.12.2006 12:04

Mormacil
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First we need to find that guy with the NASA pc Tongue

30.12.2006 12:19

Gustave
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You could make a new worldspace specifically for the quest battlefield. You make a snowy field with Pale Pass weather. The weather will make it foggy after a certain distance so you won't need distant mountains or trees which will increase lag. Besides when you're on the battlefield you won't be looking around for some distant scenery. The player can be teleported in for the battle and teleported out after the battle.

I was curious so I tested it and have 24 total npcs fighting. I didn't receive any lag during the battle. I raised it to about 30 and only received lag when pretty much all 30 npcs were swarmed around me. In a scripted battle they wouldn't be that bunched up.

I think a battle done like this would work with some scripting so they fight more individually. Yes

30.12.2006 16:35

Karzan
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If the end war does work out I'll try starting a quest line... I have two quest-lines at the moment and a finished quest waiting to be approved. But I'd absolutely love to "lay some smack down" on the Dark Elf bastards.

(They were always so rude to me...)

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30.12.2006 16:47

The Old Ye Bard
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I think the best thing for this would be to work it into the Mainquest, also what we could do is set more than half of the Npcs to people, it might require a little work and adjustment, however the end resut would be higher frame rate Yes

30.12.2006 20:42

Psychotic
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quote:

Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
also what we could do is set more than half of the Npcs to people, it might require a little work and adjustment, however the end resut would be higher frame rate Yes

NPCs to people... huh? Confused

30.12.2006 21:11

The Old Ye Bard
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quote:

Originally posted by Psychotic

quote:

NPCs to people... huh? Confused

I meant to say creatures Dunce

30.12.2006 21:13

Psychotic
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quote:

Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard

quote:

Originally posted by Psychotic

quote:

NPCs to people... huh? Confused

I meant to say creatures Dunce

Ahh... thought so.

That would indeed require some work.

There are a few script functions that are used when you have too many NPCs in one place in order to reduce the FPS hit. The functions make the NPCs more... stupid (therefore reducing the amount of information that needs to be processed).

The problem is that it works only in interiors (though I could be very wrong) and makes the NPCs a bit too stupid.

Check here for more info.

30.12.2006 21:24

final reclaimer
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I'm not sure, but isn't making a final battle HUGE going to mess with lore a little bit. if all of a sudden we have a huge conflict like the war resolved, then that could take a lot of explaining. I think that maybe something with YOUR group of Nords being victorious would be cool.

I don't know all the details, but I'm just raising the question.

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06.01.2007 01:55

Psychotic
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There won't be a huge final battle (well there will be a battle, but it wont be huge Tongue

). And even if the final battle does have a big effect on events it will be no different than the Skyrim main quest which unavoidably has a big effect on things.

Beth has established lore on there being a conflict between the Nords and the Redoran, but nothing further. Any further lore on the subject will have to come in an expansion or a new TES game, so until that happens we have no choice but to decide what happens in the conflict ourselves.

06.01.2007 02:18

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