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Karzan
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Registration Date: 29.12.2006
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Joining the Thieves' Guild

(I'll try it, Psychotic. I'm going to need lots of help... Seing as I don't know what you could steal in Skyrim and don't want to turn the Skyrim Branch into an evil Fighter's Guild) You can still use the old get sent to Jail way as well.

Location:Any Skyrim Jail/The Pale

To get the topic of Thieves' Guild you have to talk to any of the shop-keepers in The Pale with a dispostion of 60 or over. If not they say,

"None of your business, trouble-maker..."

With a disposition over 60 they'll tell you,

"Oh no! I don't want any trouble! I already paid for this week! Please don't hurt me!"

You have choices of what to say:

"Make sense!"
"I'm not here for money and I won't hurt you."
"We still need more!"(This option gives you a 30 point disposition hit and you have to go through the game again. The shopkeeper will say, "I'll call the guards!"

Picking one of the first two will make the shop-keeper explain that,
"What? You're not one of them? Oh Ysmir, thank you! The Thieves' Guild has been going to all the neighborhoods in The Pale and forcing them to pay "protection money". We don't need protection, except maybe from them!"

You then only have one option, "Where are they?"

The Shopkeeper says, "Near <insert any place in The Pale you want to put the guild>. I've only seen their agents walk there into that district then run down some alley. Ask around there."

You go to where ever you guys want the Thieves' Guild to be. Find any Nord or Dark Elf wearing leather armor(Like Methredel) and carrying an axe. Make sure there aren't too many, so you have to actually look. Ask about the Thieves' Guild and the Nord will say, "Get lost, runt." The Dark Elf will say, "None of your business, fool." With a disposition over 60 they'll say, "You want to know about the Thieves' Guild? Why?"

You can say "I want to join them." or "I want to destroy them!" (The second will prompt a 20 point disposition hit)

If you choose the first they say, "You'll have to prove yourself to the boss... But if you go to <insert building here> And say Borag(Venius for Dark Elf) sent you, then they'll talk to you."

You go to the town, tell the guard Borag or Venius sent you. They lead you to "The Boss". He's a Nord with a two handed axe and expensive clothing. When you activate him, he speaks.
"The boys tell me you want to join the guild... Now tell me... Why should I let a runt like you in? Don't answer that. You're probably worthless... But seeing as you went through the trouble of finding me, I'll give you a test. The butcher has been forgetting to pay his protection money.. Now I'd like you to go over there and 'convince' him to start paying again... Or things might start to go missing... Or getting broken... Like his legs..."

So you go to the butchers house. When you activate him he begins talking happily
"You know, times may be hard in The Pale... But my family manages to fight through... We Elkeaters are known for surviving through tough times... And being some of the best Hunters and Butchers around. Is there something you need? Perhaps a caribou leg? Some meat for the family?"
You say you're here for the money.
He begins begging, "Please... Please no... My two sons and my wife need food on the table... I may be a hunter, but I can't get enough to live off of and pay the taxes. Please... Don't do this..."

You have to rough him up a bit and then he gives you the money. Like you do in the Fighter's Guild Quest. (Don't worry, we'll help this poor butcher out in a later quest for Flin.) You bring the money to "The Boss" and he accepts you into the Thieves' Guild.

(Hope you guys like it)

Skyrim Thieves Guild ranks:
Boss
Underboss
Captain
Rogue
Bandit
Enforcer
Thug
Associate

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This post has been edited 2 time(s), it was last edited by Psychotic: 30.12.2006 22:47.

30.12.2006 04:00

The Old Ye Bard
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Registration Date: 25.05.2006
Posts: 3,396

Instead of Whiterun for beginning the questline, the Pale would be better, as it would be easier for theives to go under the radar as the guards are slack there (They are Whiterun guards posted there).

Also I suggest that have most of the rest of Questline there aswell, places to rob would be the richer holds of Winterhold (The capitol of Skyrim) and also Whiterun (It taxes the pale and also is in the center of Skyrim, so generates a lot of trade, etc).

30.12.2006 04:24

Karzan
First Knight

Registration Date: 29.12.2006
Posts: 124

What the hell... It's not making the little folders red, telling me something new happened!

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30.12.2006 06:28

Psychotic
Jarl of Skyrim

Registration Date: 30.07.2006
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Nice!

I like the dialog. Yes

I think the beginning of the quest line should be in The Pale, but the player should have the opportunity to move around as the quest line progresses. For example the player might be sent on a mission to blackmail some important noble in Winterhold or smuggle an illegal artifact from one city to another.

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and also Whiterun (It taxes the pale and also is in the center of Skyrim, so generates a lot of trade, etc).

I think that in the "Pocket Guide to The Empire" (that came with the collectors edition of OB) Whiterun is mentioned like a place that's going trough rough times. Winterhold and Solitude are the richest cities according to the guide.

This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Psychotic: 30.12.2006 12:24.

30.12.2006 12:23

Karzan
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Damn the little red folders!

On Topic: Thanks Psy. I'm thinking of later on, if you choose to help the Old Thieves' you steal the one hand axe from the boss and give it to the butcher. And steal the money back for the butcher...

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30.12.2006 15:45

Psychotic
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quote:

Originally posted by Karzan
Damn the little red folders!

On Topic: Thanks Psy. I'm thinking of later on, if you choose to help the Old Thieves' you steal the one hand axe from the boss and give it to the butcher. And steal the money back for the butcher...

Sounds good. Yes

Should the rank name of a Thieves Guild boss in Skyrim actually be "boss" or should we come up with something more original?

30.12.2006 19:33

Alasdair
Jarl of Skyrim

Registration Date: 29.08.2006
Posts: 1,169
Location: Somerset, England

There is a nice big manor in Riften that can be used for a theives guild base, or it could be part of a questline. The theives guild also has a secret tunnel into Riften, so be sure to make it useful.

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30.12.2006 20:09

The Old Ye Bard
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For the naming we could use the Mafia names they used, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia#Structure it's a pretty good system Good job!

30.12.2006 20:38

Psychotic
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Posts: 3,420
Location: Sheogorath's Realm

quote:

Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
For the naming we could use the Mafia names they used, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia#Structure it's a pretty good system Good job!

Yeah, those are cool, but "Consigliere" and "Caporegime" are Italian words. Also "Soldier" sounds a bit to militaristic for a guild of thieves.

Though "Boss", "Underboss" and "Associate" sound good. Yes

This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Psychotic: 30.12.2006 21:15.

30.12.2006 21:15

The Old Ye Bard
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quote:

Originally posted by Psychotic

quote:

Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
For the naming we could use the Mafia names they used, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia#Structure it's a pretty good system Good job!

Consigliere can always be replaced with something like officer.

However I think that "Soldier" is great because essentially it is mocking the authority of the Empire Yes

30.12.2006 21:18

Psychotic
Jarl of Skyrim

Registration Date: 30.07.2006
Posts: 3,420
Location: Sheogorath's Realm

How about this:
Boss = Folkhagi
Underboss =Annarharl
Consigliere = Radharl
Caporegime = Styrsman
Soldier = Dreng
Enforcer = Gestir
Associate = Beina

It's Nordic and everything. Those are all old Norse words or combinations of old Norse words (Annarharl for example means "second man").

30.12.2006 21:55

The Old Ye Bard
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Registration Date: 25.05.2006
Posts: 3,396

quote:

Originally posted by Psychotic
How about this:
Boss = Folkhagi
Underboss =Annarharl
Consigliere = Radharl
Caporegime = Styrsman
Soldier = Dreng
Enforcer = Gestir
Associate = Beina

It's Nordic and everything. Those are all old Norse words or combinations of old Norse words (Annarharl for example means "second man").

The Thieves guild is an imperial faction to begin with Wink

if anyhting it should be slightly more imperial than Nordic. Also I'd like to point out that people won't understand it if you phrase it like that and that also we know that titles are in Cyrodiilic (E.g. Chieftan).

30.12.2006 22:01

Psychotic
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Registration Date: 30.07.2006
Posts: 3,420
Location: Sheogorath's Realm

quote:

Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard

quote:

The Thieves guild is an imperial faction to begin with Wink

Well the Thieves Guild is not really an official and licensed guild so there wouldn't be a strict naming system established. It might have originated in Cyrodiil, but every branch of the guild operates with a high level of independence.

Also the names are no less understandable than Jarl or Thane.

30.12.2006 22:07

The Old Ye Bard
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quote:

Originally posted by Psychotic

quote:

Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard

quote:

The Thieves guild is an imperial faction to begin with Wink

I know it wouldn't have a strict naming system, but as I said it is not a "local" guild as such, and is still and Imperial guild. The names aren't even based on actual ranks that you made up, and therefore people can't really relate to them, Jarl and thane are differnt as they are more common and there is a large amount of people who are familiar with them.

30.12.2006 22:10

Psychotic
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Registration Date: 30.07.2006
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Actually Dreng, Styrsman and Gestir are all real world Norse ranks.

Come up with "Imperial" names for Consigliere and Caporegime (and perhaps something more suited to a thief/thug then Soldier), and we'll see how it sounds.

Note that the Skyrim Thieves Guild is something in-between the Mafia and a regular Thieves Guild branch. The reason some of the Mafia ranks sound/are militaristic (like Soldier or Capo = Captain) is that the Mafia families constantly fight for power between each other... the Skyrim Thieves Guild does not (well it does now, but that's only a recent development).

30.12.2006 22:21

Arbiter
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Errr.... Supplicant?

Carnal?

Nah, would fit into Mages maybe.

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30.12.2006 22:25

The Old Ye Bard
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quote:

Originally posted by Psychotic
Actually Dreng, Styrsman and Gestir are all real world Norse ranks.

Come up with "Imperial" names for Consigliere and Caporegime (and perhaps something more suited to a thief/thug then Soldier), and we'll see how it sounds.

Note that the Skyrim Thieves Guild is something in-between the Mafia and a regular Thieves Guild branch. The reason some of the Mafia ranks sound/are militaristic (like Soldier or Capo = Captain) is that the Mafia families constantly fight for power between each other... the Skyrim Thieves Guild does not (well it does now, but that's only a recent development).

In the beggining the families never really fought, and captain is a good name they used it in MW Wink

How about this:

Boss = Big-Boss
Underboss = Boss
Consigliere = Captain
Caporegime = Rogue
Soldier = Bandit
Enforcer = Thug
Associate = Associate

30.12.2006 22:26

Psychotic
Jarl of Skyrim

Registration Date: 30.07.2006
Posts: 3,420
Location: Sheogorath's Realm

quote:

Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard

quote:

In the beggining the families never really fought, and captain is a good name they used it in MW Wink

How about this:

Boss = Big-Boss
Underboss = Boss
Consigliere = Captain
Caporegime = Rogue
Soldier = Bandit
Enforcer = Thug
Associate = Associate

Sounds cool, though I think Enforcer, Boss and Underboss should remain as they are.

This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Psychotic: 30.12.2006 22:31.

30.12.2006 22:30

Alasdair
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Posts: 1,169
Location: Somerset, England

Agreed, big-boss sounds stupid.

30.12.2006 22:34

The Old Ye Bard
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Registration Date: 25.05.2006
Posts: 3,396

quote:

Originally posted by Psychotic

quote:

Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard

quote:

In the beggining the families never really fought, and captain is a good name they used it in MW Wink

How about this:

Boss = Big-Boss
Underboss = Boss
Consigliere = Captain
Caporegime = Rogue
Soldier = Bandit
Enforcer = Thug
Associate = Associate

Sounds cool, though I think Enforcer, Boss and Underboss should remain as they are.

I say we create another class in betwen Thug and Bandit for Enforcer.

30.12.2006 22:35

Psychotic
Jarl of Skyrim

Registration Date: 30.07.2006
Posts: 3,420
Location: Sheogorath's Realm

quote:

Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard

quote:

Originally posted by Psychotic

quote:

Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard

quote:

In the beggining the families never really fought, and captain is a good name they used it in MW Wink

How about this:

Boss = Big-Boss
Underboss = Boss
Consigliere = Captain
Caporegime = Rogue
Soldier = Bandit
Enforcer = Thug
Associate = Associate

Sounds cool, though I think Enforcer, Boss and Underboss should remain as they are.

I say we create another class in betwen Thug and Bandit for Enforcer.

Ok sure, though Boss should = Boss and Underboss should = Underboss as they just sound too cool.

This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Psychotic: 30.12.2006 22:37.

30.12.2006 22:37

The Old Ye Bard
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Registration Date: 25.05.2006
Posts: 3,396

quote:

Originally posted by Psychotic

quote:

Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard

quote:

Originally posted by Psychotic

quote:

Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard

quote:

In the beggining the families never really fought, and captain is a good name they used it in MW Wink

How about this:

Boss = Big-Boss
Underboss = Boss
Consigliere = Captain
Caporegime = Rogue
Soldier = Bandit
Enforcer = Thug
Associate = Associate

Sounds cool, though I think Enforcer, Boss and Underboss should remain as they are.

I say we create another class in betwen Thug and Bandit for Enforcer.

Ok sure, though Boss should = Boss and Underboss should = Underboss as they just sound too cool.

Agreed. Edit the Ranks into the top, as RW hasn't given me Moderation back yet, and Karzan can't because I beilieve it's gone past the time limit.

30.12.2006 22:40

Psychotic
Jarl of Skyrim

Registration Date: 30.07.2006
Posts: 3,420
Location: Sheogorath's Realm

quote:

Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
Agreed. Edit the Ranks into the top, as RW hasn't given me Moderation back yet, and Karzan can't because I beilieve it's gone past the time limit.

Done.

30.12.2006 22:48

Karzan
First Knight

Registration Date: 29.12.2006
Posts: 124

What are you guys?! Stugots?! (Stupid)

Why not use Don instead if Boss eh?

"Leave the gun, bring the canolis."

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31.12.2006 01:33

Psychotic
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Location: Sheogorath's Realm

quote:

Originally posted by Karzan
What are you guys?! Stugots?! (Stupid)

Why not use Don instead if Boss eh?

"Leave the gun, bring the canolis."

Don is a very specific Italian title.

31.12.2006 01:48

Karzan
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Can we still keep the canolis?

((And it's not specifically Italian... My grandfather is cuban and when people kiss his ring they say Don Louis. (the s is silent) ))

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31.12.2006 01:59

Psychotic
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quote:

Originally posted by Karzan
Can we still keep the canolis?

((And it's not specifically Italian... My grandfather is cuban and when people kiss his ring they say Don Louis. (the s is silent) ))

Don is actually the Spanish word for "sir", in Italy it's used as a title of address. So seeing how the Spanish colonized Cuba your grandfather could quite well be called Don Louis.

...and yes, we can keep the canolis.

31.12.2006 02:21

Karzan
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Posts: 124

We need a quest with canolis...

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31.12.2006 02:40

Karzan
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I'll wait until people tell me what to do to refine it before I make the next quest.

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01.01.2007 00:37

Psychotic
Jarl of Skyrim

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quote:

Originally posted by Karzan
I'll wait until people tell me what to do to refine it before I make the next quest.

No refining needed as far as I'm concerned, go ahead and write the next part. Yes

01.01.2007 18:56

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