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even if the Dragon Break effects all of nirn....(as it does) what are the chances that only Manes are effected...
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Lol Krisi :lmao: I think that having that many manes might cause repetetivness Yes So lets add more unique stuff rather than re-using something unique therefore rendering it boring.
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Not only the manes are effected, that is what I've been trying to say, it causes all sorts of wier stuff throughout the world, sons giving birth to fathers and the like. By 3MQ I meant, valenwood, elsweyr, and joint.
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The point about Dance in the Fire is that this is a 'little skirmish' with onky a few hundred cats that occurrred after a major war had concluded...

Somehow I believe that several hundred on each side is more than enuf to occupy the player? So this is not a 'war' but rather deniable skirmishing between factions.

War with Cyrodiil???? Eek 1 Ummm, can we rethink this bit? With Mythic Dawn a myth once more, why????

One essential to consider is how many Gates and where. How will this affect the Pact etc.

Would the Bosmer actually want to leave the Empire? Nope. Read Dance in the Fire please, it's a fine read and fun.

But there is a Looong History Between Summerset Isle and Valenwood, so might frictions errupt in that direction? So what happens if both the Cats and Altmer have fractious factions and th eBosmer decide no one is going to push them around...

Plus there is the Precursor him/her/itself - could this be the player - will have to re-read the Precursor threads - or maybe an agent stirring up trouble outside to distract from inner doings.

NB the Wild Hunt makes sense now that the Solstheim Hunt is concluded - but if the player has damaged/defeated one third of Hircine will Hircine be as all powerful? Maybe Hircine needs to renew his power with a successful hunt immediately?
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Skirmish Check
War with Cyrodiil Boo!
Multiple Manes (well and none repetitvly done, perhaps not the focus, but used to spice up another plot) Check
Hunt Check
Summerset No Decision

My votes.
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Skirmish Check
War with Cyrodiil Boo!
Multiple Manes (well and none repetitvly done, perhaps not the focus, but used to spice up another plot) maybe
Hunt Check
Summerset No Decision Boo!

How about the Precursor is actually a fake and seeks to destroy whatever's left of diplomacy between Elsweyr and Valenwood?

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You have any other recomendations for the main quest of elsweyr?
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Who? Me?

If so... Hmm... Well, I'm not too keen on multiple manes, at least not sixteen of them, maybe about two or three, but no more.
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where id 16 come from? I was thinking 4, one not joinable. But 16?!
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All outcomes of an event come true... I dunno, I assumed... Nevermind then.

Multiple Manes: Maybe (edit above)
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Well seeing as there were 5 endings to dagerfall, I assumed a similair number would be used for the mane outcomes, because there realy arn't too many possible manes ven with a dragon break.
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Hmm... But what about the outcomes of this quest? (diccussion for Elsweyr should probably be moved to Elsweyr)
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Maybe you, after going through a set of ordeals proving yourself worthy, get an audience with the manes. Each one supports different ideals. We get a sorta Houses-of-Morrowind vibe. One seeks to conquer Tamriel with Khajiit forces, one seeks to gain economic superiority, one wants a Mane Council where the existing Manes make decisions in a democratic format, one is sorta shady and sends lotsa spies around and is maybe involved in illegal stuff. I don't know, stuff like that. You side with the one who's ideals you like most, and you start doing quests for them, obviously relating to what they thing. The shady one might want you to assasinate the other manes, the other might send you on diplomatic missions etc etc.

Although I just thought of this, I'd still be open to any other plots. One idea is the moonsugar canes are tainted somehow, bringing a depression among Khajiit, or it could be that outlanders are trying to stop moonsugar consumation, thinking it taints the Khajiit, or a khajiit splinter group that wants to terraform the desert using magic, and abundant caches of water.
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That is more along the lines with what I was thinking, a little less cut and dry, but political differences. Democratic but indessisive.
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That is more along the lines with what I was thinking, a little less cut and dry, but political differences. Democratic but indessisive.


So, some could seem like very decent ideals and such and etc... but really be planning something awful.

Only problem is, from what just occured to me, is that the Manes are each a rebirth of the Khajiit hero from ancient times... So how is his personality going to change exactly?

Foul is Fair, and Fair is Foul...
- Shakespear relates to Macbeth...

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That coud be one of the mysteries needing to be solved, it could be that the persicution after having been brought into the world, for several era's they have lead very different lifestyles, it could represent the effect of circumstances on the psyche.
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That is more along the lines with what I was thinking, a little less cut and dry, but political differences. Democratic but indessisive.


So, some could seem like very decent ideals and such and etc... but really be planning something awful.

Only problem is, from what just occured to me, is that the Manes are each a rebirth of the Khajiit hero from ancient times... So how is his personality going to change exactly?

Foul is Fair, and Fair is Foul...
- Shakespear relates to Macbeth...


When the dragon broke, the PAST was altered, not the present, creating multiple heroes. Because the hero is reincarnated, the divine workings of Mane-hood had no choice but to create multiple incarnations. That's the way I'd think it could be bypassed.
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We could pse it as a riddle with multiple answers and is never fuly explained, let the player chose what to believe, maybe each mane has his own beliefs?
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Like whether or not Vivec actually killed Nerevar...
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Exaclty Good job!
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I who had hoped the discussion was over the Manes....
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Wow, this entire thread has left me more confused than when I posted it. So far I have denounced that we have gotten nowhere with the VW MQ, and seem to have little ideas on all three of the MQ's, but no solid ones.

Please people, on topic. Elsweyr MQ can be discussed in the Elsweyr forums, joint MQ in the common room, as it would be unfair if either of our forums hosted it. But here, please, discuss the Valenwood MQ. Something to do with Valenwood specificly, it can be about conflicts, but I think that would better suit the joint MQ.

*sigh* Discuss
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The Precursor is a good guy? Or should we make him a bad guy?
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He's supposed to be a prophet, who is signaling the coming of Y'ffre. So he's what you make of him I guess.
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Does he have any ulterier motives?
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What if he's sorta touched in the head, and what he thinks Y'ffre is, is really [evil threat here].

Maybe Hircine, with the reappearence of the hunt, or some new threat. Maybe someone trying to destroy the Green Pact?
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I say we keep with the common theme of sleepers/mythic dawn worshipers of a false god type thing.
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soo The Precursor(I hope) it is then (?)
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Yeah, he should deffinately be in. Lets start thinking of the stages of the MQ a bit.

EDIT: I will start off, So you are adventuring, and you hear of some disturbances on Islands off the coast of valenwood (where our demo takes place). You check it out, and learn just how bad things really are. You get intangled in something that has not happened in many, many years. The Wild Hunt.

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nice... Good job!
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I like it. I think that the player hsould get involved suddenly, like walking alog and then *BOOM* planet of the apes style.
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thats OB vannila
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I dunno, I like being put somewhere against your will (story wise) and then realisng it is much ibgger than just your wants and needs.
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There needs to be a bit more conflict for the general leadership of Valenwood. Perhaps a re-emergence of the Camorans?

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The ayleid are retturning if that will please you.
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We have a story, unfortunately it is so cool if we tell you straight away your eyes will bleed gummy bears. So we are planing a teser instead.
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something to do with Precursor and Y'ffre... I can smell excitement... Good job!
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our plot will be filled to the brim with

Bitching Wasted Dancing Banana :worship: Hug All Bitch Cheers Jump Chaos :lmao: Explained Explained Explained Explained Explained Explained Explained Explained Explained Explained Explained Explained Explained Explained Explained Explained Explained Explained Explained Explained
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and you told me once to use my words not my smilies... (atleast I think it was you who said that)
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In actual conversation yes, this was clearly a joke, don't hold a grudge alright? Glad to see you are still around even if you arn't our lore master any more.
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