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Chrissloe
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Modeling and texturing hints and tips

Ok, this is the thread for all you guys who has questions about modeling and texturing. It is not a tutorial, just a place to ask if you have any problems.

Here are two good modeling tutorials:

Making a sword in blender part one

Making swords in blender part two

part one is about modeling, part two is about uv-mapping

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16.09.2006 13:04

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RE: Modeling and texturing hints and tips

Good job starting the thread Chriss Good job!

16.09.2006 14:35

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Here's some places with varried tutorials for 3dSMax, Blender, and Maya.

http://www.tutorialized.com/tutorials/3DS-MAX/Modeling/1

http://www.blender.org/cms/Modeling.245.0.html

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro

http://www.tutorialized.com/tutorials/Maya/Modeling/1

http://www.3dmd.net/MAYAtutorials.htm

http://www.thehobbitguy.com/tutorials/po...ling/index.html

And here's some places to go for inspiration Yes

http://forums.cgsociety.org/

http://www.computerarts.co.uk/3dworld

Hope that helps some people out. Good luck!

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16.09.2006 15:19

Chrissloe
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Nice, thanks Heywood Good job!

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16.09.2006 15:21

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Pinned, some usefull information here Good job!

16.09.2006 15:23

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quote:

Originally posted by Chrissloe
Nice, thanks Heywood Good job!

No prob. You're quite welcome. Always like to help out.

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16.09.2006 15:28

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Thanks guys, you're a life saver.

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16.09.2006 16:19

Chrissloe
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no problem arbiter, we need more modelers so... I dunno

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16.09.2006 16:22

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I hope an armor tutorial will show up in here soon. lol.

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16.09.2006 16:32

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quote:

Originally posted by Chrissloe
no problem arbiter, we need more modelers so... I dunno

Is that an invitation?

Some rigging tutorial.
RIGGING

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16.09.2006 16:42

lothar100
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can anyone put the ebony armor in.obj form fo me??? that way I can mess around with it...

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16.09.2006 17:16

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quote:

Originally posted by lothar100
I hope an armor tutorial will show up in here soon. lol.

If you mean rigging then I wrote one a little while back.

Heywood's Rigging Tutorial

If you mean modeling...modeling armor is no different than any other type of modeling with the one exception that you need to anticipate where it will bend. Just start off with a body of an existing Obliv character and model around that for the general shape. And where the mesh will need to bend...like the neck, shoulders, elbows, etc. make sure that there is enough information in the mesh. Rule of thumb being that there needs to be at least 3 edgeloops at any joint on the body for it to retain its shape when bent. When in doubt, check one of Beth's models for reference. I thought about writing a modeling tut for armor....maybe I should...only thing is it would be one hell of a long tut heh.

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16.09.2006 17:24

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well I dont have a body of an oblivion character... Confused

were do I get one of those...

edit: oh yeah, and can someone explain what rigging is...?
my guess is that rigging is getting the armor to move with the body that its on... am I correct?

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16.09.2006 17:33

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Yea rigging is the painting of the vertex weights in relation to the skeleton. Everything you need to do this (inlcuding the ready to go characters by CuteUnit) are liked to in my rigging tut. Oh and Lothar check your PM's, I sent ya the ebony set in .obj format Cool

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16.09.2006 17:44

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ty heywood.

edit: lol I dont know how to use rapid share! I caould never figure it out...

do you mind using: http://www.webfile.ws/ ?

edit2: "Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'intrate." = "Abandon all hope, you who enter here."

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16.09.2006 18:14

Chrissloe
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hehe, I never though about looking at one of oblivions existing models for reference, guess I might end up making an armour set after i've finished the longsword then

...looks like this thread has come allong very nicely

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16.09.2006 19:14

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quote:

Originally posted by lothar100
ty heywood.

edit: lol I dont know how to use rapid share! I caould never figure it out...

You stoner.

Just follow the instructions, it's not that hard. Wink

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16.09.2006 19:34

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dth8kJ7HK...related&search=
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16.09.2006 19:36

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http://www.webfile.ws/d/11525

Just in case you didn't get rapidshare to work heh.

edit: Hey, you translated my sig! You diserve this....

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quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dth8kJ7HK...related&search=
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seen it! not even gonna watch, leme just guess first gear? I bet it is. haha I'm a youtube fanatic, its so much more fun compared to tv.

mmm, fishy stick. google is awsome, you also spelled it wrong, LOL!

edit: oh yeah, and I want the ebony so I can easly alter it by moving thing or adding to it, but then I know it can fit on the character.

edit3: [remove edit2, oops my bad]

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18.09.2006 12:57

Chrissloe
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Heywood, when you are making armour, how do you start?
When I model swords and stuff I usually start with a sirkle, is that a good start for an armour model as well?

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18.09.2006 14:09

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heres how you make a desision between 2 textures: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0meRCdnTkA

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20.09.2006 02:59

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quote:

Originally posted by Chrissloe
Heywood, when you are making armour, how do you start?
When I model swords and stuff I usually start with a sirkle, is that a good start for an armour model as well?

It depends on what you are trying to model. For the ruby gauntlets I just made I started with a cylinder since thats the closest primative shape to the shape of an arm. Basically start with the shape you will have to edit the least to get started. Most of the time I model poly by poly since it gives me greater control over the edge loops in the mesh. I just make a cube and delete all sides eccept for one and then start extruding edges into the shape I need. That method takes some practice however, since you are creating the shape completely from scratch.

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20.09.2006 21:35

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Please don't spam, people find this thread usefull, and then bam some person is nodding at them. I don't know about you but I would feel pretty uncomfortable.

20.09.2006 21:36

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quote:

Originally posted by Heywood
It depends on what you are trying to model. For the ruby gauntlets I just made I started with a cylinder since thats the closest primative shape to the shape of an arm. Basically start with the shape you will have to edit the least to get started. Most of the time I model poly by poly since it gives me greater control over the edge loops in the mesh. I just make a cube and delete all sides eccept for one and then start extruding edges into the shape I need. That method takes some practice however, since you are creating the shape completely from scratch.

Doesn't that make your poly count huge? I mean, you need LOTS of polys to form things that way in Blender.

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quote:

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Doesn't that make your poly count huge? I mean, you need LOTS of polys to form things that way in Blender.

Thats why I said it takes practice and a lot of mesh editing. You need to get a feel for it and know where you need more polys and where you can do without them. A good majority of the models I've made for Elsweyr have been made this way, so its not impossible to keep poly count down.

edit: I don't use Blender...never will. So I can't say how poly by poly would work out in that package.

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20.09.2006 21:45

Chrissloe
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Thanks Heywood, i'll try after i've textured my rapierish sword

oh and sorry about the spamming...

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20.09.2006 21:50

Chrissloe
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Damn, i've been trying to figure out what an edgeloop is, anyone think they could clear that out for me?

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28.09.2006 09:01

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An edge loop is exactly what it sounds like...a loop of edges and faces that go around the model in specific ways to aid in deformation when rigged. Here's one pic that shows edge loops as they would apear on a face.

http://www.bunk.cistron.nl/plaatjes/poly_regions.jpg

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28.09.2006 10:40

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Heywood, do you have any tips as to how to make pauldrons?

I'm really stuck at making some Bash

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09.10.2006 18:30

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I could if you could show me what you're trying to model.

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09.10.2006 20:19

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Shure, here is a picture of what i'm trying to do. It is a concept by arbiter:

Pauldrons by arbiter

...but without the feathers of course Wink

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09.10.2006 23:00

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Ok. What I would do would be to take a cylinder...delete both ends...then delete half of the cylinder leaving you with only a semicircle arch. then scale it down so that its a strip fitting around the shoulder for the back of the pauldren. After I was happy with the shape of that arch then I would select the edges facing the rest of the arm and extrude them down along the arm to form the base shape of the pauldren. Then its just a matter of messing with verts to create the shape of the pauldren and extruding the border edges down and inward to give it volume. You could duplicate the main pauldren and resize / reshape it a bit for the part on the bicep area. For the straps you could just place a cube where it should start and extrude a face out and keep extruding to create the shape of the straps. Hope that helps a bit. If you want you can PM me with progress shots and I'll help ya along with crits.

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09.10.2006 23:31

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thanks heywood, i'll try and see how it goes

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10.10.2006 11:44

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Noon likes my feathers. :lmao:

Good luck with that. Good job!

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10.10.2006 11:49

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hehe, well I like them for the Harpy Feahter armour...but this is not the Harpy feather armour Tongue

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10.10.2006 12:15

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All meshes is created low poly right ? I mean you dont use High poly mehses for games right ? or atleast Oblivion Tongue

11.10.2006 06:32

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quote:

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All meshes is created low poly right ? I mean you dont use High poly mehses for games right ? or atleast Oblivion Tongue

We tent to keep to Beth's limits, but it's usually under that because they just went crazy with Oblivion.

11.10.2006 09:04

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