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Mormacil
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I think they look like Altmer with a greenish golden skin. Green eyes and a little bit taller. Just that Auroran, the guy whatshisnameagain(yeah I'm bad I defeated him like 45 mins ago and already forgot his name :eek

and the statues under Imeprial Palace are all taller then Altmer. I'm also playing Mehrunes Razor which has some more lore I'm sure.

12.12.2006 00:10

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Not really. Mehrunes doesn't have much on Ayleids. It is probably more dunmer based than Ayleid, even though it takes place mostly in an ayleid ruin.

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12.12.2006 02:47

Mormacil
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Then the setting mislead me Wink

12.12.2006 08:08

raggidman
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You are forgetting the Lore. When the Mer arrived on Nirn as refugees the ancient Ayelieds rejected them totally, claiming that they were uncivilised, and little more than animals. The ancient Ayelieds rejected their 'cousins' totally, and tried to expell them from Nirn.

When the humans arrived the reaction was even stronger.

But I believe we have established that - the full Ayelieds split into 2 main factions = what we call Urban Ayelieds and Wild Elves

Half-Ayelieds ( = Mythic Dawn)
- the Mythic Dawn are the interbred remnants of the Urban Ayelieds
- the Mythic Dawn are Half-Ayelieds and may be hiding anywhere but they are NOT wild elves;
- the Mythic Dawn undoubtedly have a number of 'types, specialisations and skills.

full Ayelieds (wild Elves)
- the full Ayelieds are the very same lot that broke away from the warlike excesses of the Urban Ayelieds - no doubt because they felt that their 'brothers' in the cities were behaving more like humans than Ayelieds;
- the Wlid Elves are back to nature philosophically ruthless in a kind-appearing way types;
- the Wild Elves undoubtedly have a number of 'types, specialisations and skills.'

When you try to create types and classifications for them you should take this into account.

[serious Book required detailing the history of the Ayelieds that outlines these divisions and their formation]

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13.12.2006 12:52

Durdain
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With those half -ayelieds would their appearance be pretty much that of a pale altmer? In fact do we have any incling on what Ayelieds look like? I have always imagined them as more fearsome looking Altmer..that was until I saw the pictures released with Knights of the Nine.

13.12.2006 19:27

Mormacil
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KotN has daedras not Ayleids. And if you read the topic we want to make them greenish gold, I say with green eyes and a little bit taller them Altmer.

13.12.2006 20:27

Durdain
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Umaril isn't an ancient Ayleid sorcerer king?

I haven't played KotN but thats what it says in the description of the product on the download screen thing. I wonder if the library has those new books..

I dont mean what you want to make them look like I mean are there any descriptions in lore that you are going off? Any books which detail them in any degree etc.
EDIT:
From Song of Pelinal Volume 3:

quote:

where the Ayleids had made pact with the Aurorans of Meridia, and summoned them, and appointed the terrible and golden-hued "half-Elf" Umaril the Unfeathered as their champion? and, for the first time since his coming, it was Pelinal who was called out to battle by another, for Umaril had the blood of the 'ada and would never know death.

Umaril the unfeathered? A half elf, is it unusual to be unfeathered amongst the Ayleids then? To have such a title would almost suggest so. Perhaps the Ayleid were like tengu? Tongue

Further EDIT:
Hmm after reading volume 6 of the song it is apparant the 'unfeathered' title is refering to Umaril's wings. This volume also says his ancestry came from Old Ehlnofey, so while he may be half elf it may be that he is not a native elf and thus not an Ayleid . Frown

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13.12.2006 23:04

Mormacil
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He was a sorceror king among the Ayleids, but not really an Ayleid, at least not in KotN. There he is a daedra since his soul get's banished back to his realm like any Daedra Prince...

14.12.2006 00:53

Durdain
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In those books it says he's closer to being a Meridian half elf with the blood of 'arda' giving him an ability to cheat death. Nowhere does it say he's a deadra or a deadra prince.

14.12.2006 10:56

Mormacil
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Only daedra have their spirits cast back to Oblivion.

14.12.2006 12:07

raggidman
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It does seem that the key is now what 'Arda' is.

is 'Arda' a Daedran sub-race - for example connected with the winged twighlight? or is it another race? Maybe there is a clue in Battlespire? In that game there were a whole host of sub-Daedran species that are seen nowhere else.

Certainly it says that if he is killed he returns to Oblivion and that is a trait of Daedans.

Perhaps 'arda' is a name for a hitherto unknown kind of spirit? Or is it the name of a major Spirit from the most Ancient Lore? I seem to remember that name from somewhere...

I suspect that what is being said is that he was half-Ayelied and half 'ardan.'

Thus from the description we can assume that those that descend from Arda are a winged race of immortals.

14.12.2006 12:11

Durdain
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I said 'Arda' where I meant 'ada' - schoolboy error there I'm afraid Tongue

From volume 6 it sounds like he's half Meridian and similar to the Aurorans (deadra?) in his employ and half elf; but he's also insulted on his heritage as a half elf, as if not Ayleid but one of their cousins from across the sea.

Volume 6 of the Song of Pelinal

quote:

[And so after many battles with] Umaril's allies, where dead Aurorans lay like candlelight around the throne, the Pelinal became surrounded by the last Ayleid sorcerer-kings and their demons, each one heavy with varliance. The Whitestrake cracked the floor with his mace and they withdrew, and he said, "Bring me Umaril that called me out!" ... [And] while mighty in his aspect and wicked, deathless-golden Umaril favored ruin-from-afar over close combat and so he tarried in the shadows of the white tower before coming forth. More soldiers were sent against Pelinal to die, and yet they managed to pierce his armor with axes and arrows, for Umaril had wrought each one by long varliance, which he had been hoarding since his first issue [of challenge.]... [Presently] the half-Elf [showed himself] bathed in [Meridian light] ... and he listed his bloodline in the Ayleidoon and spoke of his father, a god of the [previous kalpa's] World-River and taking great delight in the heavy-breathing of Pelinal who had finally bled... [Text lost] ... [And] Umaril was laid low, the angel face of his helm dented into an ugliness which made Pelinal laugh, [and his] unfeathered wings broken off with sword strokes delivered while Pelinal stood [frothing]... above him insulting his ancestry and anyone else that took ship from Old Ehlnofey, [which] angered the other Elvish kings and drove them to a madness of their own... [and they] fell on him [speaking] to their weapons... cutting the Pelinal into eighths while he roared in confusion [which even] the Council of Skiffs [could hear]... [Text lost] ...ran when Mor shook the whole of the tower with mighty bashing from his horns [the next morning], and some were slain-in-overabundance in the Taking, and Men looked for more Ayleids to kill but Pelinal had left none save those kings and demons that had already begun to flee... It was Morihaus who found the Whitestrake's head, which the kings had left to prove their deeds and they spoke and Pelinal said things of regrets... but the rebellion had turned anyway... [and more] words were said between these immortals that even the Paravant would not deign to hear.

14.12.2006 12:34

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A few comments:

1: The mythic dawn isn't necessarilly Ayleid. It is just run by half Ayleids (The Camorans) who have made a Daedric cult to Mehrunes Dagon. But, although their actions reflect that of destruction, which would be Dagon there, they seem to be following the old principals and merely using the Daedric invasion to take back Tamriel for the Ayleids.

2: This gives me a headache here...If Umaril is a Meridian Daedra Lord/Sorcerer King, that means he is associated with Meridia, correct? Meridia hates the undead, they are her worst enemies, and yet the ancient Ayleids have all become undead. My hunch is they did something wrong and she cursed them to undeath. I'm confused on Ayleids still, as there is not much history on them because they lived before recorded history. That cave on city isle, Sideways Cave, has an Ayleid Ruin inside as well as a statue to Meridia. Can we come to the conclusion that she was their Daedric Lord? Now, I've tried to dig up information in the cave, but all I could find in there were some obscure tablets describing destruction.

3: So the Ayleids may have their own Plane of Oblivion if they worship Meridia. It will NOT look like the default Planes of Oblivion seen in the game. It would be a heavenly plane, because Meridia hates dark and evil. Every daedric prince has their own Plane of Oblivion. For example, Molag Bal's is described as a muddy, gloomy, misty place called Coldharbor, and there are more.

4: The tribal Ayleids are not exactly pureblood either. There is much Wood Elven influence present there as well. Consider it like this: Urban had a more Altmer culture, high, mighty, and wealthy. Tribal had a more Bosmer culture, wild, chaotic, and poor.

5: So no one else is confused, Ayleids are HIGH ELVEN in apperance but are TALLER and have GREENISH-GOLDEN skin.

AM I CLEAR?!

Now, no one ask about their appearance again unless it's a good question, Ok? (not being mean, just making sure everyone remembers it Tongue

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14.12.2006 22:11

Mormacil
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Hmm this gives me an idea, an idea people I'm to tired to look up if it fits into the lore. THe idea is this:
Ok what about all the Ayleids life into hiding in Oblivion in their own plain, based on what Meridia likes maybe. This way they can't be found by the other races, though they go portals so you can find them, as the gods want you to or something. I think this place should have 24/7 sunny weather with no night. Green meadows and lushy forests

14.12.2006 23:41

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In climates, I have no clue how to make it totally daytime all the way through, although Camoran's paradise seemed to do that fine. We could always borrow it. All I know how to do is make nights extremely short.

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16.12.2006 01:00

Durdain
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quote:

5: So no one else is confused, Ayleids are HIGH ELVEN in apperance but are TALLER and have GREENISH-GOLDEN skin.

Now, no one ask about their appearance again unless it's a good question, Ok? (not being mean, just making sure everyone remembers it Tongue

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But how do you know? I've searched every book I can find and there are no descriptions. Is this just what you want to make them look like? Hopefully those are two good enough questions! Tongue

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16.12.2006 15:07

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OMG I'LL KILL YOU ALL! DOESN'T ANYONE READ THESE THREADS BEFORE POSTING!!!!! Bash

ok...happy back...

No, we just decided that since they are known as Heartland High Elves / Wild Elves, they should look very close to High Elves. They are pretty much tree huggers like the Bosmer, so we decided to add some green in there. We're also making them taller, like trees.

Clear Enough?

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16.12.2006 15:50

Mormacil
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Well the greenish is also a bit inspirated on the Elvish Armor from OB which is also greenish gold. And beeing taller fits the fact that all semi Ayleids are: All baddies from KotN, the 2 statues underneed IP etc.

16.12.2006 16:28

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So, can we settle with the separate plane idea?

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16.12.2006 16:51

Durdain
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quote:

Originally posted by IAMTHEEMPEROR
OMG I'LL KILL YOU ALL! DOESN'T ANYONE READ THESE THREADS BEFORE POSTING!!!!! Bash

Clear Enough?

I had in fact read the thread and that was why I asked whether you had 'made up' whether the Ayleids were to be green or whatever. You have only now explained the logic in making them green, there was no vote or anything it was just the decision made by Mormacil earlier in the thread. Now for me what they look like will be a big factor in their creation; looking for lore which gives us an idea of that rather than just an assumption that they will be green beause they live in trees seemed a good idea.

Oh and congratulations on finding the colour and font tabs, is it really so much hard work to give a polite reply to a polite question?

16.12.2006 18:50

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Sorry, I just like messing with people, and making pretty posts.

As we stated, there is no description on the Appearance of Ayleids, so we did make up their appearance.

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16.12.2006 19:09

Mormacil
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Yes I made them up, but well I never heard any protests Wink

AS far about te plane, lets go. THis is what I have so far:
1. To access them you use hidden portals on Nirn/Tamriel
2. The realm is a land of milk and honey. Lots of sun, no real night, almost no rain, although some real storms could be cool.
(quest idea. At some point the balance is missing, the realm is messed up, there huge thunderstorms destroying the land, you go find that special cave with the special item to restore the balance)
Lots of green meadows and lushy forests. Ayleids life in small villages, very tribal. Although some maybe herd animals by magic?
3. It's a happy place

17.12.2006 00:27

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Alright, I'll get making this worldspace. I'll delay with the NPC's though, that is too much time to take to work on it now, we could always make claims later. My plan was for it to be a giant field dotted with a few ruins, although the ruins may be a dispute of urban Ayleids vs tribal Ayleids. The field is a basin, surrounded by mountains. A river flows through, there are fields of flowers, a forest with peaceful creatures, an agricultural field, and other secrets. There will be a central building with the portal to nirn in it, which will currently look like the Peryite portal because it matches. I'll post some screens when I'm done. This mass won't be so huge as to need a heightmap, but we may want to get someone working working on LOD in the future. It is planned to be a bit bigger than Camoran's Paradise.

Overall, the field will look like the West Weald, no Paradise stuff in there. The creatures will be mainly deer, unless anyone has any other ideas. It will use a CP sky however until someone can get a normal (but slightly cloudier than normal) sky with no night.

Now, can we settle on a name? Naming it "Planes of Oblivion" would kinda give players the wrong impression. I was thinking "The Eternal Plain" even though it is not eternal in size but rather in age.

EDIT: After trying to shape out the mountains surrounding a 10x10 worldspace, I've come to the conclusion we may need a heightmap, and I know nothing about them.....

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17.12.2006 04:26

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Ok, what do you all think of the central building?

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17.12.2006 05:44

Mormacil
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Not bad, not bad at all

But we might want to consider to add more portals, like a total of 3. Or when the realm is out of balance we let the player enter through a forgotten and hidden portal. I think there few Ayleiuds tribes there, might be nomadic even. I say they look a bit like the Ashlanders, of course happier, more beautifull, less ash and dark elfs stuff Tongue

17.12.2006 11:45

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My plan for the central chamber will be:

There will be one door for each tribe on the outside of the central chamber. When you enter a door you will arrive in a central room with one portal. Depending on the door you enter through, you will enter a different room that looks exactly like the others with a portal that goes to a different location. Kinda like a bent reality kind of deal.

In the plains, the Ayleid Tribes are all peaceful with each other and help each other out, but they will have their own territory of where they live.

We will need a heightmap, I want all of this to be a fairly big area.

We may need new architecture for their homes, I'm kinda hesitant to use the normal tents.

We will need a separate identity for the (probably 3) tribes.

Isn't it funny how my simple question is now leading to the development of an entire world?

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17.12.2006 19:06

Durdain
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Really liking the sound of your Ayleid plain! About the portals; how hidden are you planning on making them? The first thing that sprang to my mind were items that when touched transport you or something, but then I think I'm drawing too much on portkeys from Harry Potter heh.

Imagine if you were harvesting ingredients and woosh... "You appear to have stumbled upon a hidden world, the redwort plant you touched was no humble flower."

18.12.2006 18:10

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Hmm, while I like this very much, I think it will divert too much attention from the actual province of Valenwood (This is supposed to be in Valenwood am I correct? If not this thread should be moved). I would really prefer if this were put aside right now but I can't stop you if you wish to make your own project oput of this (or have you already, I'm confused Frown

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Either way I am really hesistant about all these words being used here: New architecture, wolrdspace, LOD, heightmap. This cannot be developed within Valenwood it is way to off topic fro what we are currently doing. Sorry if I shot down any dreams, but this can always be used at a later time.

What I would really like for everyone to do is develop the Valenwood clans (as they have a major foothold in the MQ) rather than Aylieds that are not a big concern right now. Conceptual planning of them is fine by me, but nothing too drastic that draws away resources from the mod.

18.12.2006 19:00

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Then we should start a new mini-project! WOOOOOOO!

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18.12.2006 19:29

Mormacil
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Yeah good idea, "Ayleids Expanced"

18.12.2006 22:38

raggidman
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Great screenie!

So who is the poor sod trapped in the middle of all those little arches? Chaos

Anyhows, save this for our expansion! Yes

Get on with work now like his FLESHLINESS sez... Tongue

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19.12.2006 01:48

Mormacil
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You faceless man get an avatar then we'll speak

J/K

19.12.2006 01:56

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Yes, I shall make this an expansion after the initial release is out! WOOOOOOO!!!!!

TES4: Valenwood: Tribes of the Wild Elves

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19.12.2006 02:54

Mormacil
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Together with our other expansions Tongue

Don't forget Children of Tamriel

19.12.2006 03:27

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Ok I'm glad we can agree here. And Mormacil *cough* Port town *cough*

19.12.2006 17:08

Mormacil
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Well you might have noticed that I haven't even had time to make a sketch this last month Tongue

But almost done with the semister... Still need to finish that demo Frown

19.12.2006 18:43

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Bah who cares about all those things anyway? Tongue

20.12.2006 15:03

Mormacil
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I need to pass this year Tongue

20.12.2006 15:08

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quote:

Originally posted by Mormacil
I need to pass this year Tongue

That's all I've been hearing from people lately, pass next year

Hehe, anyway, I know what you mean, but I hope you can get a start on it during the holidays.

20.12.2006 15:16

Mormacil
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My todo list for the holiday:
making a flash game
write a designer document on a game with 2 other people
draw a comic with another guy(just 3-4 pages)
write a 8 page paper
Tongue

20.12.2006 15:22

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