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Orodromis
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True, but none of the other races would have any desire to help them,
they live in harmony with each other for the most part, none would want
to conquer others, they all trade with each other, I think we cshould
stick with the original idea.
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2006.09.22 03:55 |
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VagabondX
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Then let me ask/propose two things:
1.) Could the Yokumer feel that their resources are being stretched too
far and thus feel they might want to be integrated into Aldmeris?
Obviously it wouldn't be something quick, or easy, but it could be a
very viable response by the Yokumer.
2.) Might it be possible that the Yokumer stop trying to conquer all of
Aldmeris (that's their goal, right?), being content with what they have
taken, or that the other races might not want to continue with any war?
As you can see, I'm favourable toward the Yokumer, and so far it seems
like they've been portrayed as an ultimate evil. They can still be
antogonistic toward the player, but some players might want to explore
the Yokumer as much as they might want to explore the other races
(culturally, land-wise, etc.). They might also want to help the Yokumer.
Just some thoughts.
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2006.09.22 04:13 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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The yokumre are a conquering race, there is no such thing as evil. They
are not being portrayed as evil by wanting to dominate the land because
such a concept does not exist.
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2006.09.22 04:39 |
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VagabondX
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Originally posted by DarkAsmodeous
The yokumre are a conquering race, there is no such thing as evil. |
By evil, I mean they are being portrayed similar to how daedra were in
Oblivion: the side you don't want to be on. From what I've read, there
seems to be very little positive player-yokumer interaction that can
occur. From the perspective of such a linear concept, the Yokumer may
as well be evil as they go against the grain (and most players won't
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2006.09.22 05:02 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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A villain is not a bad thing.
Not everything needs to be join any side.
A well presented likable not evil villain is very possible, we arn't making yokuda, this is aldmeris!
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2006.09.22 05:13 |
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VagabondX
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Has it even been discussed what is to happen to the Yokumer in the main
quest (or whatever role they fill anywhere within the mod)? |
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2006.09.23 00:34 |
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Aetherius
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Why exactly do you like the Yokumer so much if you do not that they
wish to dominate? Of course they will have a good reason for wishing to
dominate, it will not be pure evil. What would you like to become of
the Yokumer VagabondX?
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2006.09.23 02:11 |
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VagabondX
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I don't rightly know. Perhaps the player helps get rid of the blood
thirsty ones, but some more peace loving ones set up a colony of sorts
somewhere. It depends on where the main quest goes. I just wouldn't
want the Yokumer to be there for a bit, be entirely hostile to the
player, and then be driven off back to where-ever they may have been
before they came to Aldmeris and after Yokuda sank.
However they're portrayed from the get-go is how the average player
will percieve them. I've seen a lot of people over many forums say the
Daedra are evil, are demonic, etc. If the first thing in Oblivion's
main quest had involved Azura (whom most consider a good Daedra, or a
relatively good one) it might've changed the views of many. Now, not
all Daedra are good, but not all are bad. If the player sees the
Yokumer as an evil force, and is presented with evidence that is only
subtle that says otherwise, then they might not look deep enough into
what is there to see that the Yokumer may have justifiable reasons.
That's how all of the races will be seen: as they are first protrayed
or how they're shown in direct light. This seems to go off on a tangent
from long ago... 
Just a rant... Oh well.
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2006.09.23 03:18 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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Ah, but you see, not all yokumer are war like, but they are the ones trying to displace these people from their land.
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2006.09.23 04:26 |
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VagabondX
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Are they doing so as a whole, or as a large body, with some who may be
against major displacement but who see themselves as having a right to
this land? That is the question that must be answered to define what
should, and likely will, happen to the Yokumer. |
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2006.09.23 05:08 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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The yokumer have established colony after colony since the fall of
yokuda, the ones who leave are those hungry for more land, a want to
take what they have not already claimed.
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2006.09.23 05:24 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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If peacful yokumer came, one of the races would beat their brains out.
What would it realy add to the mod to do this?
Think of all it takes from us.
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2006.09.23 05:50 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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don't worry about what they say right away, though I have officialy
left my positions of power, they still respect my oppinions very much.
Don't drop the point if you feel strongly, try to evolve it to incorporate the best of all worlds.
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2006.09.23 05:54 |
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Aetherius
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mAYBE SOME OF THE yOKUMER ARE GOOD AND WANT PEACE, WHILE OTHERS WISH TO CONTROL ALDMERIS?
sorry, caps lock 
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2006.09.23 06:00 |
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DarkAsmodeous
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Because a mized society like that doens't work.
A conquesting government will enforce police state, or find some way to keep moral high.
Nationalism will definately be prominent.
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2006.09.23 06:01 |
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VagabondX
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I'm not (trying) to drop my point, but it is hard to incorporate with all views in mind.
I see the point of "it's good to have an enemy that is disliked by all
the people (in the mod that is)", or at least I think that's the point
I ought to be seeing. But, if that view is correct, I believe it's a
very linear view, not one that looks at all outside views that need to
be taken into consideration, namely those that will play this mod at
one point or another. It disallows a good amount of freedom; and with a
mod this big, freedom may be hard to do but it will be expected I think.
And I'd assume that the races would be too busy beating each-others
brains out before murdering peaceful folk who can give them knowledge
of swords and weaponry that they can use to kill everyone else and the
more aggressive yokumer. Despite all the races being relatively
peaceful towards each other (in the words of Orodromis: "in harmony")
with a few big splits occuring, I'm more certain of a fact that they
naturally might have extreme distate for each other. It's only natural
to be prejudice, to be favourable toward your kind disregarding others.
As the leader of any of those races, being able to have what the
invaders have and have more than the fellows around me have... Well
that would be a good solution to being the best, no? This post has been edited 2 time(s), it was last edited by VagabondX: 2006.09.23 06:10.
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DarkAsmodeous
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They don't completely hate eachother, a lot of time in a small space
creates a sort of love-hate relationship with constantly shifting
borders, but complete willingness to joing into alliences for common
goals, look at japan! Look at mongolia!
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