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What will the social and political structure of Skyrim be like? There
are Kings, Jarls, Thanes, Barons, and Chieftains referenced in Skyrim
lore.
My proposal:
Chieftains:
Each village is ruled by a Chieftain and a Council of Elders. Chieftain
is a hereditary rank, inherited by the 1st born son of the Chieftain.
If a man can kill the Chieftain in a duel however, he will become
Chieftain. If the Chieftain does not have a son, the Council of Elders
will vote on a succsesor. The Elders are selected by villagers. The
Chieftain is the commander of the local warriors, settler of disputes,
responsible for making passing laws within his village, and governor of
general affairs within his terrirotry. The Council of Elders advises
the Chieftain, holds veto power over laws, handles taxes, and holds the
power to impeach the Chieftain.
Baron-Kings:
Each Hold (except for the Pale) is ruled by a Baron-King. These lesser
Kings command the armies of their hold, take a portion of the taxes
from each village within their hold, mediate disputes between villages,
pass laws, hold a seat in the Imperial Senate, as well as a seat in the
Council (name pending) that rules over Skyrim, and handle other
miscellaneous Kingly affairs. Their power is checked however by the
Chieftains within their territory, who hold the power to veto laws the
Baron-King passes as well as the power to overthrow him and appoint a
new King.
Jarls:
A Jarl is more or less a Nordic Hortator or Nerevarine, when a group of
clans, tribes, or villages rally under one Chieftain or Warleader for
martial purposes the leader is reffered to as Jarl. However Jarl is
often used as a title of respect for a leader ammongst groups of
warriors, bandits, mercenaries, reavers, knights, berserkers, and
whatever other fighters one can find in Skyrim.
Thanes:
In ancient times when all of Skyrim answered to one King, he was
referred to as Thane. However those days are long gone. Thane is now
used in referrence to a Baron-King who has a reputation as a warrior
and conqueror. It is also used in referrence to any King who rules over
more than one Hold.
The Council of Skyrim and the Justiciar:
The Council of Skyrim is a council sat on by the Baron-Kings,
responsible for managing Skyrim's foreign affairs, settling disputes
within Skyrim, confronting Skyrim-wide cryses, appointing new
Baron-Kings when one dies and no clear succsesor can be found, and
should the necessity ever rise, field and command a Skyrim National
Army. The Justiciar is a Greybeard elected by all Chieftains
Skyrim-wide to maintain order within the Council of Skyrim. |
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Psychotic
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All excellent stuff. 
Only one suggestion: Why not have two separate ranks for the hold rulers.
Kings - full rulers of a hold
Barons - leaders that have not come of age yet and are closely advised by a council of Chieftains
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Siegfried
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Originally posted by Psychotic
All excellent stuff.
Only one suggestion: Why not have two separate ranks for the hold rulers.
Kings - full rulers of a hold
Barons - leaders that have not come of age yet and are closely advised by a council of Chieftains |
I dunno, I doubt you would want transitional titles like that cause
people might not really take barons seriously due to their youth, and
it seems more likely that Chieftains could usurp the throne in such a
situation. Its not my call though, so if you really want it... this is
all just a proposal. |
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Psychotic
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Originally posted by Siegfried
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Originally posted by Psychotic
All excellent stuff.
Only one suggestion: Why not have two separate ranks for the hold rulers.
Kings - full rulers of a hold
Barons - leaders that have not come of age yet and are closely advised by a council of Chieftains |
I dunno, I doubt you would want transitional titles like that cause
people might not really take barons seriously due to their youth, and
it seems more likely that Chieftains could usurp the throne in such a
situation. Its not my call though, so if you really want it... this is
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There is basis for my suggestion in real world history, often times
successors that were not of age were closely advised by a group of
councilors (nobles). It is true though that such rulers were in danger
of loosing power.
The name "Baron-King" sounds a bit strange imo. 
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Siegfried
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It was created by one of our founders in reference to the ruler of the
Rift. I don't know whether or not it has a lore basis or anything, I
just left it the way it was. There are Barons and Kings in lore though.
I just put them together to make my job easier, because it never really
went into detail on them, and seperating them into a Feudal System
might step on the toes of the Chieftains.
BTW I know young rulers were advised closely in RL, but when they were in charge they were called Kings.
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Sir:
Pardon me for the thought, but shouild not the ruler of the village be
simply the strongest of the strong as it was in viking times? These are
Nords, and strength is the respector of rule. The Council of Elders
could be an overall Skyrim group made up of all the Chieftains,
Baron-Kings and such. This would allow for more immersion and intrigue,
battles if you will, when dealing with the various villages and
villagers.
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It has to be said that the TES Nords are a bit more structured in terms
of politics than the Vikings of the real world. While the a village
Chieftain is in theory the strongest warrior, he is also chosen for his
wisdom (if there is no successor). A ruler who could be constantly
challenged on the basis of strength would hold a very unstable rule.
The Council of Elders is also quite often a council of the actual
elderly citizens of a village, as age is often associated with wisdom
and experience (especially in older times).
There might however be an annual gathering of some sort where all the
chieftains and higher rulers are invited to discuss the problems
concerning their areas of rule and Skyrim as a whole.
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Originally posted by Psychotic
It has to be said that the TES Nords are a bit more structured in terms
of politics than the Vikings of the real world. While the a village
Chieftain is in theory the strongest warrior, he is also chosen for his
wisdom (if there is no successor). A ruler who could be constantly
challenged on the basis of strength would hold a very unstable rule.
The Council of Elders is also quite often a council of the actual
elderly citizens of a village, as age is often associated with wisdom
and experience (especially in older times).
There might however be an annual gathering of some sort where all the
chieftains and higher rulers are invited to discuss the problems
concerning their areas of rule and Skyrim as a whole. |
Exuse me but the vikings were the one who came up with the idea of being judged by a jury, what most countrys now use 
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Psychotic
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
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Originally posted by Psychotic
It has to be said that the TES Nords are a bit more structured in terms
of politics than the Vikings of the real world. While the a village
Chieftain is in theory the strongest warrior, he is also chosen for his
wisdom (if there is no successor). A ruler who could be constantly
challenged on the basis of strength would hold a very unstable rule.
The Council of Elders is also quite often a council of the actual
elderly citizens of a village, as age is often associated with wisdom
and experience (especially in older times).
There might however be an annual gathering of some sort where all the
chieftains and higher rulers are invited to discuss the problems
concerning their areas of rule and Skyrim as a whole. |
Exuse me but the vikings were the one who came up with the idea of being judged by a jury, what most countrys now use
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I'm not disputing that, but the Nords ARE different.
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Kings is holds(no doubt..and why do people seem to think Skyrim is
united? the capital of Skyrim is appointed by Imperials.. atleast so do
I think..).. Barons are towns, who is not small... or just their own
keep too.. Chieftain is as stated villages... or small towns.. (villegs
who have grown to towns..)
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The title of Baron-King is hereditary as you said, and because the
Baron-Kings are Nords there is no direct way for the Imperials to
influence the council... except for maybe an Imperial taking the
position of a Baron-King trough marriage or a show of great strength if
it so happens that a Baron-King is deemed unfit. Maybe there should be
diplomatic observers that represent the interests of the Empire not by
directly interfering with Nordic politics, but by making sure that
Skyrim as a province of the Empire knows its boundaries (in a political
sense).
I like the idea of having Huskarls, they would be the strongest
warriors of their village/town and would be advising their Chieftains
on war tactics (the second in command of the local War Band if there is
no heir to the throne). They would also serve to carry out the commands
of the Chieftain directly to the men of the War Band and serve as a
"hero unit" of sorts among the local warriors, inspiring them to fight
harder.
The name of the Council will be discussed in more detail, but I like the way "Northmeet" sounds. 
And also, the most important thing of all...
...WELCOME TO THE SKYRIM FOR OBLIVION FORUMS!!! 
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Hey thanks Psychotic! Only just found it a week ago when I wandered off
the map in OB and thought of building Tamriel IN ALL ITS GLORY!
But I dont know how to mod so the next best thing is join in discussion whilst I learn
Thanks again
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Welcome to Skyrim for Oblivion!
There will definitely be Huskarl's in Skyrim. There is already an armor
type in our resource master file called Huskarl Armor. So yeah,
basically Huskarl's are elite warriors, lietenants, advisors, and body
guards of the Chieftain. Like Gulakhans in Ashlander society. |
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That's not true, we have lore from BM that the Chieften's Guard are called "Honour Guard".
That Huskarl armour isn't really that great and we will probably need a
new model. The Honour guard armour will be the same as in BM. Huskarl
would probably be more like the best warrior of a Clan/Village and
would likely be the leader/captian of a Towns/Vilages honour guard.
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If Baron doesnt work you could use Baront the English term or Von the german form of noblitiy
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Siegfried
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
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| body guards of the Chieftain. |
That's not true, we have lore from BM that the Chieften's Guard are called "Honour Guard".
That Huskarl armour isn't really that great and we will probably need a
new model. The Honour guard armour will be the same as in BM. Huskarl
would probably be more like the best warrior of a Clan/Village and
would likely be the leader/captian of a Towns/Vilages honour guard. |
You must realize that culturally the Skaal differ from the average Nord
a good deal, and they are more or less isolated on their little Island
of Solstheim. Aslo, Honor Guard patrolled all of the Skaal village,
they were the only guards there.
There is nothing to guarantee things are the same in Skyrim, and as far
as the armor is concerned, its the best we have now, if we get a new
model swell, if not we'll have to make do. |
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Originally posted by Siegfried
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
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| body guards of the Chieftain. |
That's not true, we have lore from BM that the Chieften's Guard are called "Honour Guard".
That Huskarl armour isn't really that great and we will probably need a
new model. The Honour guard armour will be the same as in BM. Huskarl
would probably be more like the best warrior of a Clan/Village and
would likely be the leader/captian of a Towns/Vilages honour guard. |
You must realize that culturally the Skaal differ from the average Nord
a good deal, and they are more or less isolated on their little Island
of Solstheim. Aslo, Honor Guard patrolled all of the Skaal village,
they were the only guards there.
There is nothing to guarantee things are the same in Skyrim, and as far
as the armor is concerned, its the best we have now, if we get a new
model swell, if not we'll have to make do. |
For the use in Small vilagers it is the most acurte thing we have, and is still cool
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Just an Idea like instead of guards there would be elite guards such as
Honor Guard or Honour american way. They each have their distinct
armour for each city each city has a prefered weapon. They are lead by
Honour Guard Captain or Honour Guard Warleader? Or Honour Guard Chief?
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A Huskarl could be the captain of the Honor Guard, though the Skaal
village is not a good reference for much on Skyrim because it is so
different in culture... even their religion is different. |
yeah but it is the the best Lore friendly option we have, and really it sounds cool as well.
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Originally posted by Psychotic
So the Honor Guard is the chieftain’s elite guard and the Huskarl is their leader (captain)? |
Can they have a more fun name than honor guard? Something more gutural and Nordic sounding? Like Hnorg-Urard.
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So the Honor Guard is the chieftain’s elite guard and the Huskarl is their leader (captain)? |
Can they have a more fun name than honor guard? Something more gutural and Nordic sounding? Like Hnorg-Urard. |
Honor Guard does sound Skyrimish, and what you sugested is more Orcish.
Honor Guard is fine, and anyway the Skall called it that and they where
more rural and simplistic then the rest of Skyrim and less influenced
by the Cyrodilic language.
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Ok, I am going to clarify, AND be a pain in the butt.....ready?
So far, lets say this is established
KINGS - Rulers of the holds, taking this to mean provincial rulers ie rule over a series of settlements
Chieftan - Ruler of a village
Honour Guard - chosen warriors of the nobles, sort of like knightly orders, who will be led by the Huskarl
Northmeet - the meeting of assembled rulers from across Skyrim to make entire kingdom affecting provinces
SO HERE IT COMES
Jarl means nobleman or earl in old Norse, so lets change away the name
King for Jarl, which makes it easier to define the line between
nobility and elected rule of villages ie it is a big leap between
chieftans and kings....thus
Jarl - rules over stronholds and towns that encompass an area, as do
the counts of Cyrodiil. Each Jarl has a place upon the Northmeet council
Huskarl - the chosen champion of the Jarl, leads his House/Honour Guard
Now the Imperials need to have a presence, which would be taken up by
the Imperial "Administrator", who has an honourary place upon the
Council. His aides are each assigned a Jarl. Imperial policy consists
of keeping the Jarls disorganised enough to not have one of them gain
the title THANE, overking and warlord of Northmeet, a Thane would be a
risky affair
I think thats everything...this all makes sense, is lore friendly enough, and could lead to much adventure!
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Ok, I am going to clarify, AND be a pain in the butt.....ready?
So far, lets say this is established
KINGS - Rulers of the holds, taking this to mean provincial rulers ie rule over a series of settlements
Chieftan - Ruler of a village
Honour Guard - chosen warriors of the nobles, sort of like knightly orders, who will be led by the Huskarl
Northmeet - the meeting of assembled rulers from across Skyrim to make entire kingdom affecting provinces
SO HERE IT COMES
Jarl means nobleman or earl in old Norse, so lets change away the name
King for Jarl, which makes it easier to define the line between
nobility and elected rule of villages ie it is a big leap between
chieftans and kings....thus
Jarl - rules over stronholds and towns that encompass an area, as do
the counts of Cyrodiil. Each Jarl has a place upon the Northmeet council
Huskarl - the chosen champion of the Jarl, leads his House/Honour Guard
Now the Imperials need to have a presence, which would be taken up by
the Imperial "Administrator", who has an honourary place upon the
Council. His aides are each assigned a Jarl. Imperial policy consists
of keeping the Jarls disorganised enough to not have one of them gain
the title THANE, overking and warlord of Northmeet, a Thane would be a
risky affair
I think thats everything...this all makes sense, is lore friendly enough, and could lead to much adventure! |
The Honour guard would not be chosen by nobles, they would be the
guards of Small towns and villages chosen and sworn in by the Chieften
and maintained by a Huskarl.
There is no lore on such a council presently, however in the past there
has been a council and it was called "The Moot". However that was
disolved and each Hold represents and maintains itself.
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- rules over stronholds and towns that encompass an area, as do the
counts of Cyrodiil. Each Jarl has a place upon the Northmeet council |
Not true the leader of a town/village is the Chieften
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Danmako
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Really!? A chieftan you say? 
What will I do? Oh no......
I'm quite aware that it is a chieftan, I was suggesting the Jarl would
be filling the role that the counts do in Cyrodiil, a leader figure
with authority over an area. The chieftans rule over a smaller area
Honour Guard, doesnt matter who chooses them. Just be careful not to
let the Skaal influence the outlook of Skyrim too much, they are
seperate
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Currently the Baron-Kings function as the counts of Skyrim, the
counties in Cyrodiil could be compared to the Nordic Holds to a point.
If we replace the title of Baron-King with Jarl we will need another
title for the function Jarls holds now.
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Jarls:
A Jarl is more or less a Nordic Hortator or Nerevarine, when a group of
clans, tribes, or villages rally under one Chieftain or Warleader for
martial purposes the leader is reffered to as Jarl. However Jarl is
often used as a title of respect for a leader ammongst groups of
warriors, bandits, mercenaries, reavers, knights, berserkers, and
whatever other fighters one can find in Skyrim.
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Although there is no lore that indicates the existence of a current
council of rulers there is no lore against it and it would be only
natural (and logical) for one to exist.
Personally I'm happy with Siegfried's "package" of ideas about the
Social and Political Structure of Skyrim, only the Honour Guard and
Huskarl are left to be discussed in more detail.
As I said, I think the Honour Guard (or whatever the name will be)
should be the elite guard of a Chieftain (or ruler of a higher
standing) and should be led by the best warrior among them, the
Huskarl. What I didn't mention is that the Huskarl should probably be
chosen in a competition of strength or by proving his skills in battle,
depending on the times (peace time or war).
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there is no lore that indicates the existence of a current council of
rulers there is no lore against it and it would be only natural (and
logical) for one to exist. |
There was once a council, it was called the Moot
However it was disoved in the first/second era and now the hold rule themselves independantly.
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I said, I think the Honour Guard (or whatever the name will be) should
be the elite guard of a Chieftain (or ruler of a higher standing) and
should be led by the best warrior among them, the Huskarl. What I
didn't mention is that the Huskarl should probably be chosen in a
competition of strength or by proving his skills in battle, depending
on the times (peace time or war). |
The Huskurl would most likely be awarded the Title by the Chieften by
either, being a close family member, or winning some big battle. It
would also be someone the Chieften trusts otherwise the Hskarl might
try and kill the Chieften for his Title.
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Psychotic
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
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there is no lore that indicates the existence of a current council of
rulers there is no lore against it and it would be only natural (and
logical) for one to exist. |
There was once a council, it was called the Moot
However it was disoved in the first/second era and now the hold rule themselves independantly.
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I said, I think the Honour Guard (or whatever the name will be) should
be the elite guard of a Chieftain (or ruler of a higher standing) and
should be led by the best warrior among them, the Huskarl. What I
didn't mention is that the Huskarl should probably be chosen in a
competition of strength or by proving his skills in battle, depending
on the times (peace time or war). |
The Huskurl would most likely be awarded the Title by the Chieften by
either, being a close family member, or winning some big battle. It
would also be someone the Chieften trusts otherwise the Hskarl might
try and kill the Chieften for his Title. |
There are also rumors of Nords getting very bold in their politics, I wouldn’t be surprised if a new council was formed.
As I said about the Huskarl.... proving his skill in battle or a
competition of strength... he can be a family member either way.
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Originally posted by Psychotic
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
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there is no lore that indicates the existence of a current council of
rulers there is no lore against it and it would be only natural (and
logical) for one to exist. |
There was once a council, it was called the Moot
However it was disoved in the first/second era and now the hold rule themselves independantly.
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I said, I think the Honour Guard (or whatever the name will be) should
be the elite guard of a Chieftain (or ruler of a higher standing) and
should be led by the best warrior among them, the Huskarl. What I
didn't mention is that the Huskarl should probably be chosen in a
competition of strength or by proving his skills in battle, depending
on the times (peace time or war). |
The Huskurl would most likely be awarded the Title by the Chieften by
either, being a close family member, or winning some big battle. It
would also be someone the Chieften trusts otherwise the Hskarl might
try and kill the Chieften for his Title. |
There are also rumors of Nords getting very bold in their politics, I wouldn’t be surprised if a new council was formed.
As I said about the Huskarl.... proving his skill in battle or a
competition of strength... he can be a family member either way. |
I don't think that the Witch queen would stand for a council like that,
also Skyrim is quite divided already. Not going to happen. Nuff said.
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Psychotic
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I don't think that the Witch queen would stand for a council like that,
also Skyrim is quite divided already. Not going to happen. Nuff said. |
Yes Great Lord, whatever you say! 
It's good that you can't actually decide something like this by
yourself... so I disagree with you, and you disagree with me. Ok then,
let everyone else voice their opinions about this and it will be
decided by the team... since the two of us don't agree... again.
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Siegfried
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Originally posted by Psychotic
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
I don't think that the Witch queen would stand for a council like that,
also Skyrim is quite divided already. Not going to happen. Nuff said. |
Yes Great Lord, whatever you say!
It's good that you can't actually decide something like this by
yourself... so I disagree with you, and you disagree with me. Ok then,
let everyone else voice their opinions about this and it will be
decided by the team... since the two of us don't agree... again. |
I'm behind Psych on this. Skyrim needs some kind of a council. The
details of the council are up for debate. It could be a puppet thing
controlled by Imperials, I'm not that concerned.
And the witch-queen not standing for it? She might not like it, but she
isn't that powerful, and she has discent within her own court. Plus she
wouldn't dare challenge a coalition of neighboring holds backed by
Greybeards, Legionaires, and rebels from the Pale. |
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Originally posted by Siegfried
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Originally posted by Psychotic
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
I don't think that the Witch queen would stand for a council like that,
also Skyrim is quite divided already. Not going to happen. Nuff said. |
Yes Great Lord, whatever you say!
It's good that you can't actually decide something like this by
yourself... so I disagree with you, and you disagree with me. Ok then,
let everyone else voice their opinions about this and it will be
decided by the team... since the two of us don't agree... again. |
I'm behind Psych on this. Skyrim needs some kind of a council. The
details of the council are up for debate. It could be a puppet thing
controlled by Imperials, I'm not that concerned.
And the witch-queen not standing for it? She might not like it, but she
isn't that powerful, and she has discent within her own court. Plus she
wouldn't dare challenge a coalition of neighboring holds backed by
Greybeards, Legionaires, and rebels from the Pale. |
I;m sorry but this is a big one that is not up for debate, there is no
council, the only one we know of is the Moot, prehaps the moot can
"briefly" come about in the time of the MQ because of a major crisis,
but genraly there will not be one.
This is not a vote or a what you think will be the coolest, if that was so we would have beavers and giant pandas.
I'm so against the council that if the topic contiues I will lock this
thread. Also I would like to point out that it was suggested by someone
with less than 1% knowledge on Lore.
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03.11.2006 05:24 |
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Psychotic
Jarl of Skyrim
Registration Date: 30.07.2006
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Location: Sheogorath's Realm
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There could be a quest (maybe as a part of the MQ) to re-form the Moot
or just form a new council because of X circumstances. Also I agree
about the Witch Queen not being powerful enough to do anything about it.
Btw, this was suggested by Siegfried who certainly has a decent knowledge of lore.
...hmm.... giant pandas eh... *runs to the Akavir forums to make a new thread* 
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There could be a quest (maybe as a part of the MQ) to re-form the Moot
or just form a new council because of X circumstances. Also I agree
about the Witch Queen not being powerful enough to do anything about it.
Btw, this was suggested by Siegfried who certainly has a decent knowledge of lore.
...hmm.... giant pandas eh... *runs to the Akavir forums to make a new thread*
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The council was suggested by Danmako
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03.11.2006 19:10 |
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Psychotic
Jarl of Skyrim
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The Council of Skyrim and the Justiciar:
The Council of Skyrim is a council sat on by the Baron-Kings,
responsible for managing Skyrim's foreign affairs, settling disputes
within Skyrim, confronting Skyrim-wide cryses, appointing new
Baron-Kings when one dies and no clear succsesor can be found, and
should the necessity ever rise, field and command a Skyrim National
Army. The Justiciar is a Greybeard elected by all Chieftains
Skyrim-wide to maintain order within the Council of Skyrim. |
Not really, Danmako just made a suggestion about name.
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Siesta Guru
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go have a look at post 1 toyb, seems clear to me that siegfried talked about it first, not that it matters though
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