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DarkAsmodeous
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Just tossing ideas around, trying to help :-)
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Condition grounded, but determined to try
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2007.05.16 20:47 |
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Kodama
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Registration Date: 2006.09.02
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Originally posted by The Old Ye Bard
Man you guys are quick to judge 
I've not abandoned this project, nor do I plan to. I've actually been
doing a lot of work on this recently, but I'm also extremly busy with
other stuff (only atm though) so haven't had the chance to post
anything.
Thras is progressing faster than the Highrock mod, and the BM mod right now, and has more work done.
Anyway, there needs to be a place like that V7 because it's how she would keep out the less-devoted of her followers.
And DA the Daedric Realms won't be related in any other way than getting to them via the pillar. |
TOYB, you are running out of time, show us a new coral house model (a
wip will do fine), or otherwise I might assume you got nothing but
words (you told me you had the models).
Unfortunately, you are right about Highrock, it has been braindead for
some time, the mod leader (Gyssar) is trying to revive it, and I hope
he will succeed.
But, Highrock is already a part of BC, they are not on a trail period, and Thras is.
I have not seen Gyssar get involved with the talks about the Thras
trial period, so you might aswell keep Highrock out of the picture.
But anyway, have a nice day 
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2007.05.16 21:57 |
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JONJONAUG
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Registration Date: 2005.09.11
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Heck, even I'm still here lurking around.
Lurking...makes me shiver. Who thought of that anyway? It sounds like you're waiting to kill someone or something...
...well, I have been gone much longer than intended. College
applications, SATs, papers, programming assignments, etc. keeping my
time held up. I didn't want to get started on something only to come
back to it two weeks later and have no idea what the heck I was trying
to do with it, so I've stayed away for the entire school year instead
of a couple months like I had originally planned.
I plan to get working on stuff here again in the summer (YAY!).
That, and it is May now. People have finals, big projects, and stuff like that to worry about.
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2007.05.16 22:59 |
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Mormacil
Herma-Mora the Woodland Man
Registration Date: 2006.08.15
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Location: Netherlands
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True, but then you shouldn't apply at this time. When you apply you got
time, if not you shouldn't apply in the first place.
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2007.05.16 23:37 |
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DarkAsmodeous
King of the Kittens
Registration Date: 2006.05.25
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Woah there guys, let's not place specific needs or any such things
here, we want to see how TOYB will run this project, not us. TOYB, do
what ou intend to do, show us what results you do end up with, perhaps
ly out what plans are already in progress that may not be showable,
keep moral good, recruit a bit, don't feel terribly pressured, I think
this thread has spiraled a bit.
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Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies
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2007.05.17 00:15 |
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Seniosh
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Registration Date: 2007.01.23
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I would have to agree with DA, this thread has turned into people
suggesting deadlines, what needs to be done with Thras, splits between
thras and daedric realms, who's done how much work, and who can do what.
Just let them be. Thras will make it's own progress, and inform you of
it when they are done. Making many confusing suggestions, especially if
you don't have the authority to decide what will happen to thras, isn't
going to help. From what i'd seen, it was all going pretty nicely, and
there was a lack of activity because people were working silently, and
there wasn't much to dicuss. I'm confident that TYOB knows what he's
doing here, and if you give all of them some time, you'll see progress.
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2007.05.17 03:49 |
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KuKulzA
King
Registration Date: 2005.09.07
Posts: 7,878
Location: USA / Taiwan
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I understand.
from our perspective... the beginning is like the growth spurt period
for a lot of hype and progress, then shit went silent. It's like the
kid aint growing, or we can't see it. Se as leaders who need to decide
whether ya'll can get in... it's a little concerning. Also, you guys
had a deadline, for to show you live up to what you say you'll produce.
So we come from different views. I don't speak for all the leaders, but
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2007.05.17 03:59 |
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Seniosh
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I know you have the authority to decide in some way what happens to
thras, but many others do not. I am saying that maybe you should all
loosen up a bit, and stop peering over TYOB's shoulder constantly, as
it seems has been happening in this thread.
I did not mean you specifically when I said that people with no
authority were trying to decide the fate of thras, the entire thread
has been that way, and it seems to be almost bickering in some places,
but maybe that's just my impression?
Whatever happens, the least productive time is likely to be when they
are waiting on the edge, which is why TYOB wanted a quick decision to
keep up momentum. It's really all of your calls on this, but for
Thras's sake, a decision either way should be made, so that they can
either retreat to their forums to regroup and reform, or get forums
here and put up claims, ect.
And I may speak for myself here, but I was under the impression that
you were just going to review the work Thras already had done, instead
of observe them over a long period of time. Just my view on things, but
it seems like Thras was expecting a quick review of what it had done,
and it didn't happen. It's like preparing for a sprint and having to
run the mile you know?
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2007.05.17 04:42 |
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Kodama
Shogun
Registration Date: 2006.09.02
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Pfeww... i'm glad you did not mean me specifically 
Yeah I understand what you're saying Seniosh.
All I can say is we had our reasons for the long trial period, and
ohhhh yes... they had to run the mile alright, we wanted to be sure the
mod would keep it's momentum and not be dead in a month (note: not a
month, but I won't say how long).
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2007.05.17 05:20 |
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Siegfried
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Why exactly is a trial needed for new projects to be accepted to BC? If
it's some sort of a webspace issue than I understand completely, but
the thing is that waaaay back when before there was even a BC and it
was just Silgrad and Vvardenfell, none of the other incomming projects
had any sort of trial, and heck, half of them were completely abandoned
for months on end and the forums were allowed to just sit.
I guess the thing that I'm getting at is that it kinda bugs me how much
this whole "getting into BC" thing sounds like getting into and elite
social club or something, when frankly outside of Silgrad, the other
projects aren't doing anything that incredible.
Sorry, this isn't intended to be a flame on anyone, I'm just posting my observations.
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2007.05.17 06:26 |
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KuKulzA
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Location: USA / Taiwan
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its a combination of reasons... this ain't an elite club and I've been
trying to explain... it's a community... and a community can help and
hinder. You could do just as well with or without, but there are
benefits, those benefits depend on the good nature of people. But the
pool of dedicated modders grows thin, the more projects the fewer in
each, there are only so many people out there willing and able to spend
3-4 years modding one project and devoting lots of time to it. Also,
its good to know your neighbor is prosperous, not about to die. I know
Highrock is in bad shape. Black Marsh is as well. Summerset got
nowhere. I think a trial period is no garuntee, but at least it sorta
sets a standard...
we all know big mods tend to die, they're like beached whales
sometimes, barely able to carry their own weight out of water and their
own vastness crushing them. As modders we gotta float on buoyant
waters, and not get beached, but it happens all too often. The vastness
of the mods we're making, the diverse skills required makes it tough
and dedication and coordination and leadership all needed to keep it
swimming in friendly waters. They say Fear makes the world go 'round,
perhaps we fear to have floundering mods. The ones that are there,
whatever, but I guess its just we want all mods in Beyond Cyrodiil to
try to meet a certain standard... starting with any new ones we allow
in, since we want to try to bring up our dying ones, but not close our
doors to newcomers.
maybe someone else who is more articulate and observant can explain it better
I don't feel like I explained it well, but I hope you all come away with my intented message
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Kodama
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I was gonna say something... but KuKulzA did a great job at it already 
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2007.05.17 06:56 |
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KuKulzA
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thanks, I just feel it took me too long to get my point across...
I got nothin' against Thras, and if I had my way, we'd all do well...
but it's been naring 2 years... modding on Vvardenfell's begun...
Gryssar was gone during the most tender stage of high Rock and its
almost an infant mortality... Swedishfish left Black Marsh and made me
leader at a time when I was having a tough time with Vvardenfell, and
so I struggled to keep Black Marsh alive, and no thanks to
unreliability, its still lagging behind
you can see humanity here... some folks got a history, and a
background, they are prospering... and some projects here are like
third world countries, on their last legs... just good luck everybody,
and being accepted or not accepted into this community doesn't mean you
can or cannot mod. I/we are flattered that you all consider being in
Beyond Cyrodiil a good thing, and I hope it continues to be... but a
modding community is only as good as its mods are doing, and there is a
great disparity between the ones doing great and the ones not getting
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2007.05.17 07:09 |
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DarkAsmodeous
King of the Kittens
Registration Date: 2006.05.25
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I would call elsweyr not on its last legs, but stagnant. I aim to
change that, but then again I've aimed to change that for months withs
low progress, but at least I'm still here because I care. Make me feel
you care TOYB, show me how this is different from your last projects,
why should I bet money on you sticking with this and succeeding? If you
can answer those questions with your progress and activity, then you
have earned my vote.
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Condition grounded, but determined to try
Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies
Toung-tied and twisted, just an Earth-bound misfit, I
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2007.05.17 07:17 |
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Mormacil
Herma-Mora the Woodland Man
Registration Date: 2006.08.15
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I still haven't seen many people here that aren't Thras no a
projectleader really... Anyway DA put it nicely. We can't expect you to
work faster then Beth but at this moment you're proving yourself. Not
really worth of beeing admitted but that you're dedicated enough. And
before someone else says it, I know VW isn't doing great either. But
I'm at the end of my year and FLESH is gone, haven't heard of him in
more then a month... Ah well TOYB, makes us proud and show us some
dedication 
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