Argonian Lore

[KuKulzA]

cool... yeah an example of a large-scale Argonian and House Dres borderdispute was the Arnesian War
there is a type of cat-creature that lived in Argonia or DID live... it sounded similar to khajits...

[raggidman]

There was a Morrowind book that described Argonian Myth or History concerning what seemed to be sacred, possibly sentient trees that were destroyed? Or nearly destroyed - will post the title and location here if I discoverit again.

oooh err, it's all green in here!

[KuKulzA]

I heard from TES4 players that the Hist are just big trees whose sap is a hallucinagen... not spiritual or smart or anything about that with the ist... are they right?

[Eon-Nin]

Originally posted by KuKulzA
cool... yeah an example of a large-scale Argonian and House Dres borderdispute was the Arnesian War
there is a type of cat-creature that lived in Argonia or DID live... it sounded similar to khajits...

Yeah they were an early species of Khajiiti that lived in Argonia before they found their home in Elsweyr.

[KuKulzA]

yeah those Marsh Cats... live in the Tenmar FOrest

[Haplo]

Big. Big. Big. Big. Post. Back from when TR was planning to do Argonia for TES: IV Oblivion.

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http://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/forum/vie...hp?t=10249

It's even got a map and some pictures :-)

[KuKulzA]

thanks Haplo... I think it deserves it's own topic...
but whatever, Swedishfish is moderator...

for those who want to see it without being TR member....
but I'm not including the pics, too tired...
so anyhow here is the text portion of Haplo's topic on Argonian lore... i just read it pretty good :godjob:

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Ok. So I?ve decided to create a whole new thread on Argonia/Black Marsh Development. This is so Majra doesn?t have to work as hard while cleaning for the BM stuff, he can just delete whole threads. Please post all new lore info here. And maps/pictures too.

Go Here for A HUGE list of Argonian Lore compiled at the ES Forums:
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http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index...80976&st=0
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Also - http://argonia.angryporcupine.org/
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Go here for a bunch of argonian lore. Check out their forums.


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So I am going to post all the info and lore currently found for Argonia/Black Marsh here.

? Concerning the Hist:

Well, the lore points to it actually being the Dunmer that ravaged the Black Marsh looking for Hist trees (Our good friend Marobar Sul, who wrote The Seed, got the story from Argonian slaves and then changed Dunmer to Dwemer in order to make it look like an authentic, ancient document.) The only known Hist tree mentioned anywhere is in Murkwood, though again this is from Ral-Jiktar because no one else deals with it as exhaustively.

Also mentioned is that the Hist cannot reproduce. The seeds of the Hist tree are very fertile, and may grow other plants, but they can not grow another Hist. So the theory that they can infinitely repopulate is false, and is why Argonians talk about the land dying, or their species struggling.

Also, I'm trying to find the passage, but Argonians feel that the death of an Argonian is nothing compared to the death of a Hist. They would die by the millions to protect the Hist, and probably did when the Dunmer invaded.
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The Western Highlands are home to the Tolmei, who are primarily the intelligent spellcasting portion of the Argonian species. Their location would indicate that a lot of knowledge is passed to them from Skyrim
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Just some things that should be cleared up. You should try to avoid mountains in a place called Black Marsh. If anything, the existence of 'highlands' should only indicate solid, non-swamp, lands...at most... rolling hills.

It would also appear from the Arena map, that the minor elevation which does exist, is in central to southern Argonia.

Argonian magic can also be unique, and doesn't have to be passed on to them from Skyrim, based on location. They are closer to Cyrodiil and Morrowind. It seems more reasonably that Imperials and Dunmer would have spent more time in Argonia. Though i think their magic should be unique.
Dragon's-Tongue
Dragon's-Tongue, common name for a fern like herb found in Black Marsh. It is especially prolific around the area of Utherus Swamp. It is a beautiful wildflower. Its name comes from the fire red fronds that protect its golden flower. As pretty as it is, it is a deadly poison to most living beings and needs to be avoided by adventurers. It is said, however, that Argonians can pick the plant and use the sap derived from its roots as an enhancement to their endurance. (From the Special Flora of Tamriel by Hardin).


Argonia
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The vast swamplands were once a part of the Second Empire which seized a large portion of the province in 1E 2837 to create the province of Black Marsh. Many humans still refer to it by that name although the Elves have named it Argonia after an ancient battlefield where many Mer died. The collection of lizard-like beast folk have thus been named Argonians. Black Marsh never regained its provincial status after the fall of the Second Empire though some parts of it are still considered Imperial territory. In 2E 560 the Knahaten Flu swept through the province, killing most of the Kothringi tribes still living it the region. The hist
proved to be immune to the flu which lead to rumors that they were somehow responsible for creating the plague via manipulation of their spore-trees.


Topal Sea
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The sea found enclosed between the provinces of Elsweyr, Argonia, and Cyrodiil in the south of main continent of Tamriel.


Something on Cyrodiil that has plenty of geographical info:
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Indeed, if the history of the Nords is the history of humans on Tamriel, then Cyrodiil is the throne from which they will decide their destiny. It is the largest region of the continent, and most is endless jungle. Its center, the grassland of the Nibenay Valley, is enclosed by an equatorial rain forest and broken up by rivers. As one travels south along these rivers, the more subtropical it becomes, until finally the land gives way to the swamps of Argonia and the placid waters of the Topal Bay. The elevation rises gradually to the west and sharply to the north. Between its western coast and its central valley there are all manner of deciduous forest and mangroves, becoming sparser towards the ocean. The western coast is a wet-dry area, and from Rihad border to Anvil to the northernmost Valenwood villages forest fires are common in summer. There are a few major roads to the west, river paths to the north, and even a canopy tunnel to the Velothi Mountains, but most of Cyrodiil is a river-based society surrounded by jungle.


Common piece of writing
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Most of the native Argonian population of Black Marsh is confined to the great inland waterways and impenetrable swamps of the southern interior. There are few roads here, and most travel is by boat. The coasts and the northwestern upland forests are largely uninhabited. For ages the Dunmer have raided Black Marsh for slaves; though the Empire has made this illegal, the practice persists, and Dunmer and Argonians have a long-standing and bitter hatred for one another.


Some stuff on dialect/language
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Haj-Ei Argonian (Hist)
Meaning: "Hides His Eyes"
Usage:
Source: People of Morrowind
Reliable: Yes

Meht Argonian (Hist) Meaning: "Cracker" - From an earlier version of the Annotated Anuad. The current version does not have this word, which is why it is an unreliable translation.
See also Ixtaxh and thtithil Usage: Ixtaxh-thtithil-meht - "Exact Egg-Cracker", the Hist word for Padomay/Sithis
Source: Interview with 3 Booksellers
Reliable: No

thtithil Argonian (Hist)
Meaning: "Egg" - From an earlier version of the Annotated Anuad. The current version does not have this word, which is why it is an unreliable translation.
See also Ixtaxh and meht Usage: Ixtaxh-thtithil-meht - "Exact Egg-Cracker", the Hist word for Padomay/Sithis
Source: Interview with 3 Booksellers
Reliable: No
? In Black Marsh and southern Morrowind, were-crocodiles stalk the swamps. Black Marsh also shares with the Imperial Province and the wetter parts of Elsweyr the vile presence of were-lions. The Somnalius Fern can be found in the swamps of Black Marsh. The fronds from this plant are light green and quite delicate. Picking a frond can be very difficult, but once retrieved it can be used to put an enemy to sleep for a short while by passing it under his nose. ( From the Special Flora of Tamriel by Hardin )
? Stormhold lies on the northern tip of the Province of Black Marsh. Here the people seem friendly, but a strain shows in their eyes. Perhaps it is because of their proximity to the Dark Elven lands. You only know that their team the Black Shields, fight here and are considered perhaps the deadliest team on the continent... Argonians, like the dreugh, appear to be a semi-aquatic troglophile form of humans, though it is by no means clear whether the Argonians should be classified with dreugh, men, mer, or (in this author's opinion), certain tree-dwelling lizards in Black Marsh.
Finding suitable corpses in Black Marsh is nearly impossible due to their rapid decay. There are also diseases, Argonian tribesmen, and other difficulties that must be dealt with.
? Murkwood, the mysterious place in the swamp province, Black Marsh. Inside the dark forest can be heard faint cries of despair, souls who have lost their way within its cunning web.
Within this forest, the seventh piece of the Staff of Chaos was hidden by Jagar Tharn. And this is the speech of Ria Silmane describing the place.

? All Argonians heed the orders of their temple. One unified religion gives them order. While they don't always see eye to eye among separate races/tribes/regions, they all do as the temple commands. I thought it would make sense then if, in order to show the dependence on the temple, there was only one main hist tree.


"Its center, the grassland of the Nibenay Valley, is enclosed by an equatorial rain forest and broken up by rivers. As one travels south along these rivers, the more subtropical it becomes, until finally the land gives way to the swamps of Argonia and the placid waters of the Topal Bay."

There are no uplands in the southern areas of Nibenay, it sounds from the descriptions to be like a vast floodplain immediately around the rivers surrounded by jungle and swamp, eventually by the time you get to Argonia there's no floodplain anymore as the rivers flow out into the Topal Bay. Northwest Argonia is still very low land but it's higher up (slightly) than the southern areas which are barely above sea level by the looks of it - the fragmented archipelago appearance suggests the area is a sunken area of hills and valleys that were below the rest of the body of Tamriel.


? From AToTD Part I:

Publisher's Note: I was reluctant to publish the works of Marobar Sul, but when the University of Gwylim Press asked me to edit this edition, I decided to use this as an opportunity to set the record straight once and for all. Scholars do not agree on the exact date of Marobar Sul's work, but it is generally agreed that they were written by the playwright "Gor Felim," famous for popular comedies and romances during the Interregnum between the fall of the First Cyrodilic Empire and the rise of Tiber Septim. The current theory holds that Felim heard a few genuine Dwemer tales and adapted them to the stage in order to make money, along with rewritten versions of many of his own plays. Gor Felim created the persona of "Marobar Sul" who could translate the Dwemer language in order to add some sort of validity to the work and make it even more valuable to the gullible. Note that while "Marobar Sul" and his works became the subject of heated controversy, there are no reliable records of anyone actually meeting "Marobar Sul," nor was there anyone of that name employed by the Mages Guild, the School of Julianos, or any other intellectual institution. In any case, the Dwemer in most of the tales of "Marobar Sul" bear little resemblance to the fearsome, unfathomable race that frightened even the Dunmer, Nords, and Redguards into submission and built ruins that even now have yet to be understood.

From AToTD Part II:

Publisher's Note: "The Seed" is one of Marobar Sul's tales whose origins are well known. This tale originated from the Argonian slaves of southern Morrowind. "Marobar Sul" merely replaced the Dunmer with Dwemer and claimed he found it in a Dwemer ruin. Furthermore, he later claimed that the Argonian version of the tale was merely a retelling of his "original!" Lorikh, while clearly not a Dwemer name, simply does not exist, and in fact "Lorikh" was a name commonly used, incorrectly, for Dunmer men in Gor Felim's plays. The Argonian versions of the story usually take place on Vvardenfell, usually in the Telvanni city of Sadrith Mora. Of course the so-called "scholars" of Temple Zero will probably claim

From AToTD Part V:

Publisher's Note: This poetry is so clearly in the style of Gor Felim that it really does not need any commentary. Note the simple rhyming scheme of AA/BB/CC, the sing-song but purposefully clumsy meter, and the recurring jokes at the obviously absurd names, Umphatic Faer and Ianthippus Minthurk. The final joke that the stupid alchemist invents a potion to make himself smarter by pure accident would have appealed to the anti-intellectualism of audiences in the Interregnum period, but would certainly be rejected by the Dwemer. Note that even "Marobar Sul" refuses to name any Dwemer gods. The Dwemer religion, if it can even be called that, is one of the most complex and difficult puzzles of their culture. Over the millennia, the song became a popular tavern song in High Rock before eventually disappearing from everything but scholarly books. Much like the Dwemer themselves.

From AToTD Part VI:

Publisher's Note: This is one of the few tales in this collection, which can actually be traced to the Dwemer. The wording of the story is quite different from older versions in Aldmeris, but the essence is the same. "Chimarvamidium" may be the Dwemer "Nchmarthurnidamz." This word occurs several times in plans of Dwemer armor and Animunculi, but it's meaning is not known. It is almost certainly not "Hope of the Chimer," however. The Dwemer were probably the first to use heavy armors. It is important to note how a man dressed in armor could fool many of the Chimer in this story. Also note how the Chimer warriors react. When this story was first told, armor that covered the whole body must have still been uncommon and new, whereas even then, Dwemer creations like golems and centurions were well known. In a rare scholarly moment, Marobar Sul leaves a few pieces of the original story intact, such as parts of the original line in Aldmeris, "A Dwemer of eight can create a golem, but an eight of Dwemer can become one." Another aspect of this legend that scholars like myself find interesting is the mention of "the Calling." In this legend and in others, there is a suggestion that the Dwemer race as a whole had some sort of silent and magical communication. There are records of the Psijic Order which suggest they, too, share this secret. Whatever the case, there are no documented spells of "calling." The Cyrodiil historian Borgusilus Malier first proposed this as a solution to the disappearance of the Dwemer. He theorized that in 1E 668, the Dwemer enclaves were called together by one of their powerful philosopher-sorcerers ("Kagrnak" in some documents) to embark on a great journey, one of such sublime profundity that they abandoned all their cities and lands to join the quest to foreign climes as an entire culture.

From AToTD Part XI:

Publisher's Note: This is another tale whose origin is unmistakably Dwemer. Again, the words of some Aldmeris translations are quite different, but the essence of the story is the same. The Dunmer have a similar tale about Nchylbar, but in the Dunmer version, Azura recognizes the trick and refuses to answer the question. She slays the Dwemer present for their skepticism and curses the Dunmer for blasphemy. In the Aldmeris versions, Azura is tricked not by an empty box, but by a box containing a sphere which somehow becomes a flat square. Of course the Aldmeris versions, being a few steps closer to the original Dwemer, are much more difficult to understand. Perhaps this "stage magic" explanation was added by Gor Felim because of Felim's own experience with such tricks in his plays when a mage was not available.
"Marobar Sul" left even the character of Nchylbar alone, and he represents many "Dwemer" virtues. His skepticism, while not nearly as absolute as in the Aldmeris version, is celebrated even though it brings a curse upon the Dwemer and the unnamed House of the poor priest. Whatever the true nature of the Gods, and how right or wrong the Dwemer were about them, this tale might explain why the dwarves vanished from the face of Tamriel. Though Nchylbar and his kind may not have intended to mock the Aedra and Daedra, their skepticism certainly offended the Divine Orders.

? The Crimson Plague/Knahaten Flu
You may have heard of this very often, a flu broke up in Argonian and killed many men and mer. the pocket guide tells us also that Rumors spread telling us that the Argonians where immune to it, again what Hist are they referring to, if it is the tree, than many Argonians would have died, and if it was the strain of the Hist Argonians, than they others would have suffered. The pocket guide again has been found to be the error, the Hist mentioned is the Argonian race, and we know that they are Immune to the Plague.
The Hist (Argonians) proved immune to the effects of this plague, leading to wild rumors that they had, in fact, created it through a manipulation of their cherished spore-trees.

The Hist Resin
You find a heavy reference of this in the book Ancient Tales of the Dwemer, Part II: The Seed . This resin comes from the sap of a few trees in Argonia.
Why did the trees die?" asked Kamdida.
"When there were Argonians only in this land, we never cut trees for we had no need for fuel or wooden structures such as you use. When the Dwemer came, we allowed them to use the plants as they needed them, provided they never touched the Hist, which are sacred to us and to the land. For many years, we lived peaceably. No one wanted for anything."
"What happened?"
"Some of your scientists discovered that distilling a certain tree sap, molding it and drying it, they could create a resilient kind of armor called resin," said Sigerthe. "Most of the trees that grew here had very thin ichor in their branches, but not the Hist. Many of them fairly glistened with sap, which made the Dwemer merchants greedy. They hired a woodsman named Juhnin to start clearing the sacred arbors for profit."


Excerpt from Provinces of Tamriel
Most of the native Argonian population of Black Marsh is confined to the great inland waterways and impenetrable swamps of the southern interior. There are few roads here, and most travel is by boat. The coasts and the northwestern upland forests are largely uninhabited. For ages the Dunmer have raided Black Marsh for slaves; though the Empire has made this illegal, the practice persists, and Dunmer and Argonians have a long-standing and bitter hatred for one another.


Here we have proof of the Argonians weak tolerance to cold, and it also denotes a great tactic of using the seasons as an advantage.
"Cephorus concentrated his army on the war in High Rock, while his brother Magnus, King of Lilmoth, brought his Argonian troops through loyal Morrowind and into Skyrim to fight in Potema's home province. The reptilian troops fought well in the summer months, but during the winter, they retired south to regroup and attack again when the weather was warm. At this stalemate, the War lasted out two more years." - The Wolf Queen, Book Seven


Finding suitable corpses in Black Marsh is nearly impossible due to their rapid decay. There are also diseases, Argonian tribesmen, and other difficulties that must be dealt with. I know of only a few Sload Necromancers who operate successfully in Black Marsh, and even they stay near coast. - Volume One: The Acquisition of the Corpse


Unfortunately, it was a time of great sorrow in Rockcreek. A pestilence had come through the town, destroying all their cash crops (which consisted of raspberries and a few scraggly odd weeds that caused Argonian women to look very attractive to those who partook); Then a plague had come, inflicting nearly every cobbler with chronic hiccoughs; finally a witch had cursed the townspeople so the only words any could utter were "Hmmm. Precisely." All the businesses, stores, and guilds fled from the town faster than an extremely fast thing. - Ius, Animal God


? The moon was rising over the desolate quarry, steaming with swamp gas from a particularly hot summer as the Prince and his two guard escort rode out of the forest. The massive piles of earth and dung had been piled high in antiquity by some primitive, long-dead tribe of Black Marsh, hoping to keep out some evil from the north. Evidently, the evil had broken through at Dorsza Pass, the large crack in the sad, lonely rampart that stretched for miles.


? Yes, the Kothringi and Orma tribes are gone, and the others as well. But that doesn't mean that they didn't leave behind traces of their existence.

In the book 2920, a long large berm (not unlike portions of the Great Wall of China) is mentioned as having been built (for unknown reasons) by unknown tribes that were already forgotten.
? "If you would learn pride of race and tribe, follow Saint Roris the Martyr, Patron of Furnishers and Caravaners. Captured by Argonians just before the Arnesian War, Roris proudly refused to renounce the Tribunal faith, and withstood the cruel tortures of Argonian sorcerers. Vengeance and justice for the martyred Saint Roris was the rallying cry of the Arnesian War."
Never underestimate the adaptability of Argonians, or, more specifically, the power of the Hist to allow Argonians to adapt.

I wouldn't expect to hear an Argonian born in Skyrim (or on Solstheim, for that matter) mention being hatched. Nor would I expect to hear more transient Argonians (say, members of a small, nomadic tribe) speak about laying eggs. However, in warmer climates, in places with established, stable, and permanent communities, you would likely see a great number of eggs.
? No, Argonia has been conquered - twice, sort of. During the second empire IIRC the northern parts were conquered successfully by Reman's armies, which is when it was given the human name Black Marsh. Then with the Third Empire it was again conquered, completely this time - why do you think there are so many imperial settlements in Argonia in Arena? You don't think the Argonians know masonry skills.

Plus the Argonians don't seem to bothered about the Empire - for one it provides at least some protection against Dunmeri slave traders who otherwise would be rampaging all over Argonia.

P.S. the Camonna Tong are first and foremost a thieves guild, they're certainly very racist but their political ambitions seem to take a back seat to their competition with the imperial thieves guild.
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Stores ? Bargain Supply Store, New Armaments, Pilacles?s Quality Provisions, The village Tool Store
? Seaspring (Town)

Taverns ? Blue Dungeon, Blue Skull, Dancing Bird, Devil?s Cup, Flying Golem, Flying Pit, Laughing Dungeon, Restless Bird, Rusty Eagle, Rusty Jug

Stores ? Bargain Equipment Store, Herides Tibermean?s Merchandise, New Tool Store, Pilate Magtus?s Sundries, Rare Accouterments, Rare Equipment Store, Rare Weaponry Store, The Adventurer?s Armaments, The Adventurer?s Provisions, The Adventurer?s Supply Store, The Practical Weaponry Store, The town Tool Store

Branchgrove (Village)

Taverns ? Devil?s Djinn, Flying Dungeon, Green Chasm, King?s Chasm, Lucky Bird, Red Ogre

Stores ? Claudios Caedes?s Gear Store, Elite Gear Store, Elite Weaponry Store, Neracles Theolus?s Merchandise, Pilandros?s Quality Provisions, The Practical Weaponry Store, The Wyrm?s Accouterments, The Wyrm?s Supply Store, The village Equipment Store, The village Merchandise

Rockpark (Town)

Taverns ? Black Giants, Blue Mug, Crimson Jug, Devil?s Giants, Flying Djinn, Haunted Giants, Howling Skull, Lucky Chasm, Queen?s Castle, Screaming Huntsman, Screaming Mug, Silver Golem, Thirsty Giants

Stores ? Claudandros?s Quality Tool Store, Diocletios?s Professional Provisions, Elite Provisions, Rare Accouterments, Rare Gear Store, The Basic Equipment Store, The Emperor?s Merchandise, The Wyrm?s Armaments, The town Tool Store, Tibus?s General Supply Store, Unearthed Equipment Store, Unearthed Gear Store, Used Equipment Store, Used Merchandise

Lilmoth (City)

Taverns ? Blue Gull, Crimson Chest, Crimson Gibbet, Gold Wharf, Green Gibbet, Haunted Port, Laughing Dagger, Lucky Gull, Queen?s Chest, Red Ship, Red Treasure, Restless Cutlass, Restless Mug, Rusty Pier, Rusty Sailor?s Silver Mug, Unfortunate Skull

Stores ? Alexox?s Professional Armaments, Demetrides?s Provisions, Diocletos?s Finest Tool Store, Elite Accouterments, Herula?s Finest Weaponry Store, New Weaponry Store, The Adventurer?s Armaments, The Adventurer?s Gear Store, The Basic Tool Store, The Emperor?s Gear Store, The Emperor?s Tool Store, The Emperor?s Weaponry Store, The Wyrm?s Armaments, The Wyrm?s Gear Store, The city-state Provisions, The city-state Tool Store, The city-state Weaponry Store, Unearthed Sundries, Used Merchandise, Vintage Tool Store

Glenbridge (Village)

Taverns ? Crimson Mug, Flying Djinn, Gold Skull, Queen?s Dagger, Restless Goblin

Stores ? Demetrian?s General Sundries, Demetride?s Professional Equipment Store, Demetrius?s Finest Armaments, Pilius Cades?s Equipment Store, The Adventurer?s Armaments, The Emperor?s Tool Store, The Essential Provisions, The village Supply Store, Unearthed Equipment Store, Unearthed Weaponry Store

Gideon (City)

Taverns ? Black Wolf, Crimson Mug, Devil?s Huntsman, Dirty Helm, Flying Eagle, Green Chasm, Green Goblin, Green Helm, Green Huntsman, Haunted Skull, Howling Chasm, Howling Mug, Howling Wolf, King?s Mug, King?s Wolf, Laughing Dragon, Lucky Helm, Lucky Skull, Red Skull, Silver Wolf, Thirsty Bird, Thirsty Pit

Stores ? Bargain Weaponry Store, Germanicus Theomus?s Accouterments, Julula Calilus?s Gear Store, The Adventurer?s Provisions, The Essential Accouterments, The Essential Sundries, The Practical Gear Store, The city-state Weaponry Store, Unearthed Provisions, Unearthed Tool Store, Used Accouterments, Vintage Provisions

Stonewastes (Village)

Taverns ? Black Djinn, Dancing Huntsman, Devil?s Castle, Flying Cup, Haunted Sword, Howling Castle, King?s Huntsman, Lucky Castle, Queen?s Jug, Restless Cup, Restless Dragon, Restless Giants, Restless Griffin, Rusty Djinn, Silver Castle, Thirsty Giants

Stores ? Augustius? Armaments, Diocleterius?s General Tool Store, New Armaments, Pilerius?s Quality Merchandise

Rockgrove (Town)

Taverns ? Flying Jug, Laughing Helm, Restless Skull, Rusty Pit

Stores ? Alexian?s Gear Store, Herula?s General Accouterments, Nerides?s Weaponry Store, The Adventurer?s Weaponry Store, The Basic Equipment Store, The Practical Sundries, Tibicus?s General Sundries, Unearthed Gear Store, Vintage Accouterments, Vintage Equipment Store, Vintage Merchandise

Chasepoint (Village)

Taverns ? Black Dagger, Dancing Giants, Dirty Bird, Flying Griffin, Red Mug, Rusty Jug, Thirsty Castle, White Guard

Stores ? Herios?s Quality Provisions, New Armaments, New Merchandise, Rare Sundries, The Adventurer?s Equipment Store, The Essential Supply Store, The Practical Accouterments, The village Merchandise, Unearthed Weaponry Store

Soulrest (City)

Taverns ? Black Mug, Crimson Sailor?s Dancing Sailor?s Devil?s Saber, Lucky Port, Restless Saber, Rusty Albatross, Screaming Gibbet, Silver Albatross, , Silver Galley, White Saber

Stores ? Antigonian?s Quality Provisions, Antigonus Androlus?s Gear Store, Bargain Tool Store, Bargain Weaponry Store, Diocletian?s Merchandise, Diocletius?s Quality Sundries, Elite Accouterments, Elite Gear Store, Elite Merchandise, Elite Supply Store, Germaniar?s General Tool Store, Julus Magsion?s Armaments, Nerate?s Professional Equipment Store, New Provisions, Rare Equipment Store, The Adventurer?s Accouterments, The Emperor?s Provisions, The Essential Weaponry Store, The Practical Supply Store, The Wyrm?s Supply Store, Used Accouterments, Used Armaments, Vintage Gear Store, Vintage Merchandise

Moonmarch (Town)

Taverns ? Crimson Bird, Flying Golem, Haunted Huntsman, Thirsty Skull, White Ogre

Stores ? Antigonian Cacles?s Merchandise, Augustos?s Professional Equipment Store, Caligian?s General Equipment Store, Germanicus?s General Tool Store, New Merchandise, The Basic Merchandise, The Essential Supply Store, The Practical Merchandise, Used Sundries

Alten Meirhall (Village)

Taverns ? Green Dagger, Haunted Skull, Howling Sailor?s Red Locker, Red Pier, Screaming Ship, Thirsty Treasure, Unfortunate Albatross

Stores ? Demetrios?s Finest Accouterments, Julula Caesar?s Equipment Store, The Adventurer?s Weaponry Store, Vintage Provisions

Longmont (Village)

Taverns ? Blue Wolf, Crimson Helm, Flying Goblin, Green Goblin, Laughing Goblin, Lucky Jug, White Giants

Stores ? Augustius?s Finest Gear Store, Augustus?s Provisions, Bargain Equipment Store, Demetrerius Percles?s Tool Store, Elite Provisions, New Armaments, Rare Provisions

Blackrose (City)

Taverns ? Crimson Wolf, Devil?s Giants, Dirty Dagger, Dirty Eagle, Dirty Huntsman, Flying Ogre, Gold Dungeon, Green Bird, Haunted Chasm, Haunted Ogre, Queen?s Bird, Red Djinn, Screaming Golem, Screaming Wolf, Thirsty Wolf, Unfortunate Chasm, Unfortunate Dagger

Stores ? Antigonicus?s Tool Store, Bargain Equipment Store, Bargain Gear Store, Bargain Sundries, Bargain Weaponry Store, Caligerius?s Finest Sundries, Elite Armaments, Hererius?s Professional Equipment Store, Julacles?s Professional Provisions, Nerandros Calides?s Tool Store, New Equipment Store, New Gear Store, Rare Equipment Store, Rare Provisions, Rare Tool Store, The Adventurer?s Sundries, The Emperor?s Tool Store, The Essential Gear Store, They Wyrm?s Provisions, Unearthed Sundries, Vintage Tool Store

Rockspring (Village)

Taverns ? Black Pit, Blue Eagle, King?s Dragon, Laughing Dungeon, Restless Dungeon, Thirsty Helm

Stores ? Caligian?s Accouterments, Vintage Accouterments

? The Knahaten flu, it did not kill outlander settlers in Argonia, only the Kothringi, a species of men with reflective metallic skin, the few remaining tribesmen are spread throughout the rest of the Empire (and are probably headed for extinction as they no longer have a breeding population - which needs IIRC a couple thousand minimum).

The Empire came later, this event happened in the 2E around 2E560 and the Empire only conquered the whole province during the third era with use of Numidium. I don't care how good you are at guerilla warfare even the Vietcong would have surrendered to Numidium and if you take a peek at the Arena map of Argonia the settlements are fairly evenly throughout both the coastal and interior regions of Argonia, settlements like Blackrose, Seaspring, Branchgrove, Rockspring, Alten Markmont, Greenspring and Helstrom are all located in the deep interior far from the coasts or the more sub-tropical jungles of southeastern Nibenay.

In fact Seaspring is right opposite a lake from Murkwood - the big dungeon in Argonia in Arena. So it seems to me the Imperials are not at all afraid of colonizing such deep swamp- and marshland, certainly they live in similar conditions in the jungles of Nibenay, maybe the Colovian Imperials would find it rather humid but they're needed elsewhere.

[Krisi-_]

Originally posted by KuKulzA
yeah those Marsh Cats... live in the Tenmar FOrest

Tenmar Forest is in southern Elsweyr.... and no I didnt care to read that post...

[KuKulzA]

Originally posted by Krisi-_

Originally posted by KuKulzA
yeah those Marsh Cats... live in the Tenmar FOrest

Tenmar Forest is in southern Elsweyr.... and no I didn't care to read that post...

true... and they live around the Tenmar Wall... tell me... where is the Tenmar wall? oh right, in Black Marsh...