Does revolution change anything?

[Mormacil]

Ah a true rightwinged american. Let me make it clear, even if you would reject every enviromental law you can never compete with China. They got more (human) resources then the US. They're 1/3 of the world population. Though they never will be like the US. The culture of China isn't about forcing your values to someone else, unlike western culture.
Then another question, is it a good thing the US exists as it does? Maybe the world was a better place without it, maybe not. At least Saddam never would have sat on taht throne, nor would Al'Queda have thye money it has now. Perhaps Marxs would have never wrote Das Kapital.

[DarkAsmodeous]

Are you saying Das Kapital was a bad thing? Anyway, we are drifting off topic.

[Mormacil]

I thinks it's a great book, I was just saying that it's hard to judge revolutions that happend so long ago. Ah well I made my point clear I think, so any reactions?

[DarkAsmodeous]

Yes, and I agree with the point, but as far as the revolutionaries are considered is it worth it for them?

[final reclaimer]

oh i see what you were saying about completeing what they set out to do. then i would have to agree that even though the American Revolution did create change it did not complete everything it set out to do. i agree with you on that.

[DarkAsmodeous]

yeh....

hm...

[IAMTHEEMPEROR]

The revolutionary is a person who is not happy with the current way their country is run. Revolutionaries gather together and try to make change for what they think is better, good or evil is only self-defined, because people somewhere are not going to be happy with it. Revolutions that make too much change at once usually never result in anything good, and that will lead to more revolutions (exaple, the French Revolution). The leaders, followers, and allies of the overthrown government, however, view these revolutions as a bad thing. They will still hold grudges against the nation(s) or revolutionaries who overthrew them. This usually leads to more violence with followers allies of the old government. These constant power struggles lead to mass chaos and pandemonium, and many die. These issues are always resolved in the end, but only make things worse in the end.

The main thing is, war is never good, but it can be the only answer to try and make things better. Everyone just continues to strive for the perfect system and a peaceful world, but that can never be achieved peacefully...

So, revolution is bad, bad governments are worse.

[Cogidubnus]

Does revoloution change anything?

As with many things, yes and no. Of course it changes the immediate future - considering wether or not the revoloution suceeds, it can radically change a country. For example, the revolutions in France radically changed that country: into a rein of terror that was overthrown, but change was caused.
There are also revolutions that have been peaceful. I am speaking of the one instigated by Oliver Cromwell in England (I am fairly certain that one was peaceful - it has been awhile since world history!), which did manage to control the country for a short while. As with many revoloutions, however, it failed becuase of the people leading it- they did not do what they promised, or, they were simply violent and overthrown.

I do consider the American Revoloution a success - I do not think you change define Radical Change by the change that it sought to bring out. Radical Change is almost, by definition, unpredictable. The greatest thing that can be said about the American Revolution is that it never reverted to the previous state, as so many others did - we never were again a british country. Similar? Not so much - The Articles of Confederation were something that had never been tried. They didn't work, of course, but it was change.

But, does it really change anything? It can only change governments and ideals, but not much more than that. The greatest failures of most of the revoloutions lied with the leaders of them: almost, as if, something was wrong with them. (You all know of what I speak, especially you DA )But the measure of the revolution is not the change it brings, but for how long and to what extent. It can change circumstances and governments, but not much else.