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[Razorwing]

The point of having the chat installed is so one can get hold of someone who doesn't have the same IM program. It stays, because one day it might be needed, and no one has to chat there if they don't want to.

I used the old forum for well over a year and got very set in my ways about the forum portal page being to the top left. I had convinced myself I'd never get used to the links on this forum, but surprise surprise, now it's the old forum that feels counterintuitive. Trust me, you'll get used to it.

[The Nerevarine]

Originally posted by Razorwing
The point of having the chat installed is so one can get hold of someone who doesn't have the same IM program. It stays, because one day it might be needed

I fail to see the advantages of this chat software against incompatible IM software.
Remeber the thread after Katse and I tried it out. It is not that noone wants to use a silgrad chat, it's that you simply can not use this chat for more than a handfiull minutes (that's the reason for the "chatsoftware from hell") because then it will mess up the sychronisation.

Originally posted by Razorwing
and no one has to chat there if they don't want to.

I don't chat there, it's about trained user interface element locations. Of course one will adapt after a while, but think of Microsoft chancing the location of the window control elements on the right side of window's title bar, e.g. replacing the [x] with one for the "about" entry of the help menu (what i consider the least used function of most programs).

It's also not that I normaly pay so much attention on it to suggest it's removal (or even recognise it's redundancy), its existance hasn't bothered me for months, but now I'm "lured" to use it as it's new location at the beginning of the text links was that of a often used one.

And furthermore, if you don't want the portal link back, I do not understand why you defeat the chat link removal so absolutely, as:

Originally posted by Razorwing
I have always thought that it was redundant to have two twin links, one set in the banner and one as text links, for "search" and "portal". With google search I found a use for both search links the other day, but the "Portal" twin was unnecessary. And the text link was the easiest one to take out, as I don't want to mess with Valderon's fine banner.

[Razorwing]

Hmm... I didn't notice that the chat link was doubled until just now :] I'll fix that later on. On a general note Valderon has set up the banner for the forum the way he likes it, and I wouldn't presume to change it.

The forum software Valderon bought came with a chat function, and as I could see the need for myself being able to chat with MSN-less members (Quentin and to some extent Valderon) I suggested we activated the function. That's the main point of having a chat here, for which there's no real need. But sure, if you find a chat script and customize it, I'll upload it and then we can use that instead.

[The Nerevarine]

I also belong to those MSN-less members

The reasons for having a webchat are understood and even myself sometimes wants to use a chat, as communication there can go faster than on a forum, especially when the topic is of no pubic interst and there's no reason to archive the content within a forum.

If you want, i will help you to look for and test webchat software.

[Razorwing]

I did some changes in the settings of the forum chat. I threw out the original CSS style for "input"; I'm sure it made the "Subject:" textbox look good when writing a new post, but it really messed up the chat I think... it should display better now I think.

I also changed the settings to the following. Let me know if you guys want any of the figures tweaked.

Refresh time for the Stream: 90 sec
Refresh time of the Chat area: 8 sec
Refresh time of the Online window: 60 sec
Refresh time of the User Online list: 1 min
Max. Chars. in the Chat windows: 23 lines