Cerro Vampires

[bob196045]

Ok

So an elixir which provides them with cover,
something they have developed through their study and testing,
it probably wouldn't work on the older vampires due to their resistances,

so a newer (more recently infected) could still remain position/community performing their daily tasks as usual requiring this elixir a intervals to maintain their normal state

This would give oppertunity for members of the Cerro Clan to be in positions of authority throughout the Redoran Hiarchy unknown to the other members of House Redoran ....( political agenda's )

Curtailing the need for blood...hmmm doable, but at what cost?
using a alternate source (animal) mixed with another special potion of their making could do this, but similar to above, it may not work on the older Cerro...this is why they remain hidden and require the younger to hunt for them

But what do we give up in the process..... ?

poison resistance for the Black Marshes thing would come in later during TES IV timeline, or will this be a natural trait of the Cerro Vampire along with the other bonuses?

But a potion which resists the effects of the Vampire Bite would be something we would need as well, if going to Akivar one would need to be prepared for such


btw: the music link ...very nice I especially like the 1st one and the last, but mostly the 1st

Bob

[raggidman]

Yes who gives up what in the process?

Maybe it is one potion that enables them to hide their nature and forces them to use animal blood instead of human blood.

The younger Cerro give up their freedom as they have to remain true to their Redoran heritage and the Ancient's wishes if they want the Ancients to :brew: their next potion...

If they don't use the potion they are hunted down by all and sundry = very persuasive argument?

And matches the way the Cerro are reeling in the Nerevarine?

[bob196045]

Howdy

raggidman say's :Yes who gives up what in the process?

Answer: I was thinking outloud again, thought you heard me )

The Cerro, what do they give up by using animal blood
Thier should be some negative side effect.............

Raggidman say's: Maybe it is one potion that enables them to hide their nature and forces them to use animal blood instead of human blood.
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and more ramblings from bob

This could be the resolve to the above question, this potion of the Cerro making, allows them the "disguise" they need to perform theier daily tasks. BUT it also forces them to crave the blood of animals instead of Mer.

However we are still left with the question of "what to we lose in the process" <(thinking outloud)

They are drinking the blood of animals: this is causing more contamination in the blood line..... making it harder and harder for the newly infected to maintain there "civil" actions. becoming more animal like, more viscious, more deadly (even to the other Cerro)..... maybe thats it!

This also could be the reason why we have the Renegade Cerro which our hero meets up with in the Nohrgirm Tomb Quest (in development)

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So the Ancients have been following the hero's actions
(They are interested) he/she seems the type capable of aiding them

Certain actions (tbd) cause the appearance of a shadow'y figure who gives something or says something causing the hero to be curious, until the last event (tbd) finally concludes with the meeting of the Elder Cerro and the Hero and the discussion of Aiding them takes place..

They need a cure....Akivar is the place to go..... but their are things to do here in Morrowind first

How's that sound so far.... I think its a good start to get us into the TES IV time... The Nerevarine performs certain tasks for them here.... obtains certain things for them and then is asked to go to Akivar and left to think about it ........we pick up in TESIV and he/she is on the way

This would give a secondary reason for the Nerevarine to be in Akivar, regardless of whatever "Officially" comes out from Beth.

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HOWEVER it does ask a question....WHY would we need to go to Akivar to find a cure for Vampirism when a cure is available in Morrowind (AKA Molag Bal) and in High Rock via Bretony Witches.



hmmm



Bob

[raggidman]

Yes, the potential of remaining hidden and the increasing threat of exposure = you gotta real story now! wonderful.

one step furhter;
It may be that there is a further unknown - inexplicably some few - the more thinking young ones are seldom affected by 'the rage' - so they can carry on as spies etc... but there are not enough of them to keep the ferals under control - and if things get worse that might spark a plague of vampires...

[bob196045]

Originally posted by raggidman

It may be that there is a further unknown - inexplicably some few - the more thinking young ones are seldom affected by 'the rage' - so they can carry on as spies etc... but there are not enough of them to keep the ferals under control - and if things get worse that might spark a plague of vampires...

a further unknown ........ always good to have,

We need to fit this somehow into the reason why Hero needs to go to Akivar for a cure rather then just get one here..

It must be something a bit more complex

I shall think on it.....

thoughts anyone ?



Bob

[bob196045]

Ok thought on it


I see no reason why Molag Bal would not offer a cure to the Nerevarine. its been done before


However in the conversation which takes place between Bal and Nerevarine

Molag Bal Say's:
It was not easy for me to obtain the cure, but I was able to pry it from Vaermina after some...discussion.


So lets say this: The Cerro say they need a cure, they ask you to speak with Molag Bal on the matter, Bal tells you that the cure you need must come directly from Vaermina...

Back to the Cerro...Tell them what Molag Bal says....
we can

A) build a shrine dedicated to Vaermina in Morrowind and Summon him/her and request this cure... Vaemina can task us with going to Akivar to perform something before he/she will give the cure

or

B) The Cerro say's " We were affraid that this would be the case" BUT we know of another way, but this would be dangerous and would require you (aka Hero) to travel to Akivar.....

I prefer method "B"

of course if their is a Method C or D anyone would like to inject I'd like to see them


Bob

[raggidman]

Funny thing, I like both, but prefer the first. However I thought the molag bal thing was a one time thingy or because the Nerevarine was special, and not transferable. And there is a cup or artifact that can do the job of curing vampirism, but not so useful to the Cerro as they want to remain Cerro to do their 'work'. So the second idea = B works better for this.

Maybe the text needs to take into account the Lore in the earlier Molag Bal quest very precisely? So that would also have to take into account the Cerro attitude to Molag bal and Vaermina? And so back to B I suspect. But since my comp with Morrowind and ST got trashed someone else might want to do that.

Lest I forget, did mention this and the University of Silgrad to Sandor in a pm on another matter as I was unsure whether he was following this... he seems very flexible and sensitive so his input could be useful? Well if the University of ST is to survive in TES4 ST absolutely essential he is happy, otherwise the University will have to find new premises :lol:

[bob196045]

EDIT note:

I remembered something..horay...and no its not what I forgot weeks ago with the "?" post

anyways Quite possibly this Cerro/University of Silgrad quest can be the Silgrad Tower TES III Mod Main Quest. as it has been requested several times that ST have a main quest !!!

yea ... nay ?
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So that 2 votes for "B"


Not a problem on the texting for the Molag Bal quest, since Im still very much in the Morrowind.

On the University: Being that the Cerro have the ability to remain in a state of normal appearance, and that over time they most likely have members in the upper ehelons of House Redoran (maybe even one of the Councilors back in Ald Ruhn) Through this House connection the construction of the University was funded by House Red and is used to train AND for the Cerro's purposes... Unwary students of the school should be cautious if wandering in lower corridors

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Well lets hope everyone is happy then

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Who is heading up the Cerro Vampires for ST TESIV ? if anyone

[raggidman]

MQ :O hrug: could be. Let's see how it firms up in practice, and how TES4 reacts. The TES4 reaction is important as the resolution to what we have here will not occur until TES4 if ever. And there are ways to use TES4 reaction to strengthen TES3 experience...

One such outcome might be that at the start of TES4 the Nerevarine sends a note / potion / samples, whatever to the University or the Cerro (however it is worked) that are required to create the necessary potion... = closure, and new objectives for the UOS and the Cerro
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Another might be that the Nev sends word that the solution is to be found not in Akavir, but rather in another TES4 location - and such a Quest might then go on to span all the mods - which could make for very fun times? So whichever way it goes the TES4 has to bring the new player up to scratch with quests - I would expect that to be campus expansion for one, and so more escort duty etc... Even questing to other BC mods???? :eek:

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'course, if the player is allowed to decide, he might discover deep in him/herself a total antipathy to working with any Vampire Clan (however benevolent) in which case he/she might be chased all over tamriel, hounded from map to map / mod to mod by the Cerro and their unwitting allies (evil :lmao: )

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This natch leads onto your TESIV question... and I think that was as stated in the Fighters' Lounge left up in the air - atm it does look like only the RPK Fighters Guild has a dedicated Forum - and I am wondering if that would be the way things will go - that each Guild/Faction will require a Forum to really get them working.

Provided we make this work well I would think that it will be very helpful in recruiting for a TES4 Uni and for a Cerro Faction, as it will provide a powerful Lore base, and exciting opportunities.
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TID and IatE have valid points too though, there might be rival academies and such started up (maybe by the Imperials) in TES4 if the TES3 Uni is successful. So we might have Uni-wars...

Another point of interest that both you and they mentioned in passing is the Indoril/ordinator link ... how will the Temple and Vivec react? Even if 'Vec reacts positively there may still be conservatives in the Temple that are opposed to the Uni - they might feel that it was stealing their students... etc, but there again the Uni might be seen as a rallying point to resist creeping Imperialism...

[bob196045]

Yes... agreed, it would be hard to have an MQ that was not completable in game, but not out of the question ....lets see how it goes
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hard to answer this... I guess it would depend on how far we get with the Akivar Mod, assuming Beth never does anything further with Nerevarine.
Thier also the TES IV Vv project, which will fit in nicely to bring Nerevarine back into the picture....
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Again hard to answer...it would be nice to see. with a small difference, I would rather have our hero travel to obtain from other places but overall will have to finish off the search in Akivar.. again depends on alot of things.
So thats is open.....tbd
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Not a bad Idea.... if our hero decides not to help and just start killing... then our hero will have to wake up to one surprize after another, like the DB did... how fun would it be to walk into a pawnshop to sell your loot and find out that the merchant is a Cerro...
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Hmmm yea a bit... but the school could fund an academy for fighters, my thought on this was simply that the fighters guild have a requirement for their members to be formally trained before advancing to a particular rank (Champion seemed like a good point) it doesn't have to be done here at the U of S could be another academy...?

The Temple Knights I was refering to are not the Ordinators ( I think you allready knew that) but those who join the Temple's of the Nine...and rather than become Priests they want to be Knights ...simple enough
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Now as far as Vivec and the Ordinator's go... I don't know... I don't think it should not be a problem, House Indoril still has a decent amount of influence (MW time) and is still in control of the temple, so for them to say, were gonna build a university... Vivec should say OK..




So much fun

Bob