Makhanapak tupuka!

[Deeza]

Well, we could make it clear it wouldn't be official, I guess.

[Lady Nerevar]

There are ten Jel words, max. They should all be in TIL's translation dictionary.

Argonians in Arena were gray humans with weird faces

[Deeza]

Really? (runs to boot up copy) You're right... I wonder how they explained that? I really like the way they explained why khajiit look completely different in each game, but I've never seen anything similar for Argonians.

Do you suppose they got retconned into Kothringi?

[Lady Nerevar]

Nah, just game progression. We do know there are different types of Argonians, and gray dudes may be one, but its never been officially explained.

[Ibsen's Ghost]

...and if Bethesda are a little loose with their own lore then so can we, I reckon.

[Deeza]

Within reason, or if it conflicts with what's possible, basically yeah. :yes:

[Lady Nerevar]

Theres really a difference with Bethesda "being loose" with lore and modders "being loose" with lore. When Beth does it, its almost always a progression (i.e. - gray dudes are stupid, lizards are cool) or elaboration. Arena can only barely be considered lore anyhow, and in Redguad and after Bethesda had a fairly steady set of lore and a plan for where they are going.

Modders are doing a different sort of extrapolation, namely filling in blank areas of lore. It can be done in a plausible (i.e. not denied or contradicted by lore) or a possible (supported by lore) fashion. Most of what we do will be merely plausible, but degrees of plausibility vary. Bethesda's changes shouldn't be used as a basis to fuck over lore - "Beth changed Cyrodiil from jungle to forest, so lets put a desert in the middle of Black Marsh"

Anyways, no one is going to complain about you skewing lore.

[Deeza]

Excellent points.