discussion on Tribunal mortality

[IAMTHEEMPEROR]

Having a strength of 1000000000 don't hurt neither. Well, me at least.

[KuKulzA]

Originally posted by IAMTHEEMPEROR
Having a strength of 1000000000 don't hurt neither. Well, me at least.

cheater... :no:

[IAMTHEEMPEROR]

Only when I'm bored. Or desparate.

[Moryal]

Well, perhaps Vivec CAN die now, but for the most part, I'd still call him immortal. Surely he could at the very least do what all those telvanni mages do that lets them live forever.

[KuKulzA]

Originally posted by Moryal
Well, perhaps Vivec CAN die now, but for the most part, I'd still call him immortal. Surely he could at the very least do what all those telvanni mages do that lets them live forever.

not forever, just physically a long time... though the integrity of the mind is something else...
like Dratha is increasingly crankier, and Theranna is a little on the mad side... basically insane

Vivec is mortal now, can be killed, but probably won't die of natural age for a LONG time.

[Hector the Hooded]

Vivec will not lose his sanity. If you recall from Morrowind he had said he was getting old and wondered what it would be like to die. Then he stated someday that day will come and untill then he will tend to the people of Morrowind, no more hiding in his Temple, he is/was going to help the people, raise morality, untill the day he died!

Which will probably be a while, maybe....just maybe we could help restore Vivec longevity, seeing as I'm a lore fanatic, it is HIGHLY possible that if Vivec was captured by Molag Bal and imprisoned in his realm, his connection with Oblivion (and the Void and Un-void) restored his connection to Lorkhan, because as we know Akatosh betrayed Sithis, so Sithis sent Lorkhan to piss of Akatosh, so Akatosh sent Trinimac to kill Lorkhan. Lorkhans body was obliterated and returned to Sithis (not shores of Oblivion, the void) and his heart became Red Mountain.

Perhaps since Lorkhan's heart (is Daedra) is destroyed it is returned to the Void, and since all of Oblivion is intertwined, Vivec can feel the "breeze" and in the breeze is the Power of Lorkhan! Vivecs power, while not fully restored, is replinshed in some manner, and he summons the power to leave Molag Bal's realm?

Of course Molag Bal probably realizes that this could happen so he seals him in some enclosed Tower/room/void where the player must free/rescue Vivec and Vivec comments on how his power is strengthining and he feels he can leave now.

Then he tells you he won't, yet. He made mistakes in his past but now he is going to right the mistake with Molag Bal.

Perhaps later, one he is back in Morrowind, he rights his wrong of the Dreugh.

I think this would voice the more poetic/warrior side of Vivec instead of the wussy-ass we see in Morrowind.

Then he moves onto righting the wrongs with the Sixth Cult/House Dagoth and with his diplomatic skills, meets with the Leader of House Dagoth and Sixth Cult and eventually the form a VERY shaky but still an improvement over the great war that has been going on between House Indoril/Temple/House Redoran against them Sixth Cult/House Dagoth. Of course we will still have Skirmirishes on both sides, but will NOT be a full-out war.

Perhaps some of the less fearful (Telvanni) and more entrapenour like Houses (Hlaalu) open trade with the merged and coflict resolved House Dagoth/Sixth Cult (who also except belif in Vivec and Daedra seeing as how Vivec was brave enough to speak with them and how Molag Bal had the nobility to set Vivec free/Capture him in the first place), resulting in a very fragile, but still exsiting semi-peace.

What do ya think?

[KuKulzA]

details not all what i had in mind, but you got the basics of my ideas :goodjob:

however i would also like to note that Lorkhan is the 'god' of the mortal realm, in a way he is the mortal realm... his presence in Oblivion is sorta a paradox... but that's in my viewpoint, I could be wrong, you could be wrong... heck with all the big words the DEVs use we could both be wrong

also about the sanity thing, you need to realize I was saying that in referrence to the comment Moryal made about Telvanni longevity rituals...

[Hector the Hooded]

Ah, yea we could be wrong, but Lorkhan was Sithis's favorite after the Aedra and Daedrac betrayed/usurped them! He was Daedra (who else could possibly cause so much trouble in Morrowind) but he sort of walked the "grey" which is also the path Sithis walks!

Oh yea, some of those rituals have side-effects. Except for Neloth, how is suprisngly sane, I guess his side-effect made him bitchy, and Dratha's mad her a lesbian and or feminist!

[KuKulzA]

hahaha I guess all Dunmer have something wrong...
Redoran, great warriors, but always gets invasions to fight on their own
Hlaalu, pretty good at getting and keeping gold, terrible at keeping alive
Dres, really traditional, sneaky and slavering, but gives up their traditions
Indoril, real proud,wealthy, and charitable, but honorable to a suicidal fault
Telvanni, powerful and long-lived, just they get a little weird after awhile
Dagoth, never seem to die-off but never rise up to their former power

ah, poor Morrowind

[Hector the Hooded]

Thats not always true for Hlaalu, wasn't it a guy named Dres Hlaaly who said "You may try and lowcut a merchant, and he may dislike you for it. You can steal from a merchant, but will he really want to barter with you after you try to sell him his own goods? And then, you can kill him, but there is no use trying to barter with a dead man."