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Ebonyknight
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What would would you call the ranks then? Hogface dirtmuth like its common sense that there are warlocks wizards out there why not name some ranks out there.

Also highlords as in the altmer on the western beaches of valenwood since they are still part of the semileftover aldmeri union thing and control a lot

Also krsis yea I like imperials a lot too but get some change dont be like bethsada and make quests for the FG and MG they can be there but have some difference, and you dont like the clans man wtheck? Its a lot better too join them then be a pawn of some guild working for the government you are the government

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12.09.2006 23:51

Mormacil
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It's not about beeing lazy with choosing guild, it's continuing Bethesda's style. I can imaging the Thiefguild quit, it isn't really an official guild, but the FG and the MG? No they'll survive even in Valenwood. Both at the borders, the FG near Elseweyr. Can be recruited to defend the bosmer settlements in a Khajiit war...

13.09.2006 00:21

FLESH
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It's just about originality, thats the problem I have with the rank names for the magic based clan. Valenwood and Summerset were at war so I don't think there are any Altmer lords left over from that.They do however traffic some goods through the last port to Summerset Isle.

13.09.2006 18:17

Krisi-_
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FLESH! anybody here?

quote:

Clan Barkhide:
Is a warrior-based clan. Prefer the to fight the enemy up close instead of hailing arrows or magic down upon the enemy. They respect warriors very much within this society. Their economy is ok since they do trading with Skingrad, Anvil, and random Merchants caravans that base threw. Their ranks in the house are tumen, kinsman, oath sworn, warrior, champion, and councillor, Warlord. They have many warriors not all well geared and tend to gear themselves unless of a higher rank and then get access to the better armour. They are the most numerous clan but are the smartest. Their Warlord currently is Silverskin who is a very stern Warlord looking to benefit himself and his people at all means.

Rank Comments:
Tumen: witch is? I dont think it would be used as first rank if anything close to: Wiki - Tumen
Kindsman: indicates that they find you as close as any other Bosmer so higher rank 3rd or 4rdt?
Oath sworn: suppose you gotto swor a oat? if so witch?
Warrior: fine but a little too much Fighters Guild?
Champion: to much arena and fighters guild dont seem Bosmer at all..
Councillor: eeh, what? thats rank for someone sitting in a council.. and well this are clans/tribes..
Warlord: well this are clans not the military

General Comments:

quote:

They are the most numerous clan but are [not?] the smartest.

what? most numerous and smartest? and but is wrong grama there.. if not meaning not..

quote:

Their Warlord currently is Silverskin who is a very stern Warlord looking to benefit himself and his people at all means.

thats not very Bosmer like name.. might be his nickname? if not thats normal for the Barkhide clan ofc.. and if so it shouldnt be like that in any other clans..

quote:

Their economy is ok since they do trading with Skingrad, Anvil, and random Merchants caravans that base threw.

well what do they sell? or do they grain economy by buying? witch I find strange..

quote:

Is a warrior-based clan. Prefer the to fight the enemy up close instead of hailing arrows or magic down upon the enemy. They respect warriors very much within this society.

Thats not normal Bosmer like.. so maybe not liked? or very know for this? they should be either of those as it is not normal for bosmer to have many warrior in one society..

quote:

Clan Shadowleaf: Is a stealth ambush based clan. They like too fight with bows and small blades. They respect people who can snipe an object dead on and know how to lead a group of ambushers. Their economy would have to be the second best within all the four clans. They don't just get their money and goods from selling they also have control of 3 very resourceful mines that they mine and sell illegally to other countries underneath the Greenpact. Their ranks within their clan are Nightstalker, Rogue, Thief, Saboteur, Shade, Count, Dark Baron. The current Dark Baron is Vulcer. He is a very cunning leader and a very keen assassin/thief. He is using his economic power to supply his troops with better weapons. He is also a very good military tactical who won the battle against Clan Barkhide over one of the 3mines. He ordered his marksman to lay low on the higher ground while his ambushers and rogues waited down below.

Rank Comments:
please find some orignial names.. these dont work at all.. as:

quote:

Jaqspur, a long distance shooter.

used as rank by the bosmer in tribes..

Nightstalker: well I dunno

I'm losing intrest in finding things I dont like..
Rogue: make one quess.. and you'll find where it's used..
Thief: same as above..
Saboteur: well.. a sabotur is well a saboteur.. and we know what they do.. so if used there quest should reflect that..
Shade: never hear it used as rank before.. the Wiki is my friend:

quote:

Shade is the blocking of sunlight (in particular direct sunshine) by any object, and also the shadow created by that object. It may refer to blocking of sunlight by a roof, a tree, an umbrella, a window shade or blind, curtains, or other objects.

Count: Counts are nobility. in Tamriel that dont fit for Valenwood. (it's nobility in ES univers too..)
Dark Baron: well.. baron is allso Nobility who dont fit either Valenwood nor the Clan.. (it's nobility in ES univers too..)

General Comments:

quote:

Is a stealth ambush based clan. They like too fight with bows and small blades. They respect people who can snipe an object dead on and know how to lead a group of ambushers.

all bosmer prefer small blades and bows.. mainly bows.. 'snipe an object dead on' eeh what? didn't get the sentense..

quote:

Their economy would have to be the second best within all the four clans. They don't just get their money and goods from selling they also have control of 3 very resourceful mines that they mine and sell illegally to other countries underneath the Greenpact.

Mines? mines after what? and Mines arnt Ilegal.. the greenpact is for plant and such.. and as far as I know bosmer dont do much with stone(or mining..)..

quote:

The current Dark Baron is Vulcer. He is a very cunning leader and a very keen assassin/thief. He is using his economic power to supply his troops with better weapons. He is also a very good military tactical who won the battle against Clan Barkhide over one of the 3mines. He ordered his marksman to lay low on the higher ground while his ambushers and rogues waited down below.

I dont like Dark Baron(you know..) and you make the Clans seams like they fight all the time.. and that sounds like a fairly bad tactic(or too well used one atleast..)..

I'll do the others later.. and dont take offence if I'm saying anything offencive..

as for Fighters Guild:

quote:

It was not true that she was the one responsible for the Valenwood Guild's disintegration two years later

just found this.. overlooked it last time.. so if included we mostly got a questline outlined.

quote:

1. disintegration - in a decomposed state
2. disintegration - separation into component parts
3. disintegration - the spontaneous disintegration of a radioactive substance along with the emission of ionizing radiation
4. disintegration - total destruction; "bomb tests resulted in the annihilation of the atoll"

I would quess thats about 10-15 years ago(ingame)..

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13.09.2006 19:46

Krisi-_
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FLESH! anybody here?

hmfr..

FLESH are you there somewhere?

13.09.2006 21:19

FLESH
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RE: FLESH! anybody here?

What hurm where? J/k, yes I'm here. And I have read your post, and it seems you have made all the points I was trying to make, so I cannot think of a reply I dunno

13.09.2006 21:22

Krisi-_
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RE: FLESH! anybody here?

quote:

Originally posted by FLESH
What hurm where? J/k, yes I'm here. And I have read your post, and it seems you have made all the points I was trying to make, so I cannot think of a reply I dunno

quote:

as for Fighters Guild:
quote:
It was not true that she was the one responsible for the Valenwood Guild's disintegration two years later

just found this.. overlooked it last time.. so if included we mostly got a questline outlined.

quote:
1. disintegration - in a decomposed state
2. disintegration - separation into component parts
3. disintegration - the spontaneous disintegration of a radioactive substance along with the emission of ionizing radiation
4. disintegration - total destruction; "bomb tests resulted in the annihilation of the atoll"

I would quess thats about 10-15 years ago(ingame)..

reply to that you..

13.09.2006 21:24

Arbiter
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I have NO idea what's happening here, but I do have some rank names. :

Mogul
Count Palatine
Peer
Peon

Choragus
Headman
Pol
Ubermensch

Huntsman
Tracker
Pothunter
Flamen
Magus
Braave
Fencer
..................

More if you're interested.

To history-familiar people, some ranks will sound familiar. Wink

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13.09.2006 21:27

Durdain
Baron

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They sound good, I especially like peer and Mogul

Failing that what about completley elven sounding ranks? Seems with four clan factions we will run out of unique ranks fast.

13.09.2006 22:26

Arbiter
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Yeah, but it would be best if someone more versed in Lore made those up. I mean, they have to make some sense.

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13.09.2006 22:37

Durdain
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Yep of course, know anybody whos good at elven? Tongue

13.09.2006 22:57

Arbiter
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quote:

Originally posted by Durdain
Yep of course, know anybody whos good at elven? Tongue

You mean Quenya?

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13.09.2006 22:59

Durdain
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quote:

Originally posted by Arbiter

quote:

Originally posted by Durdain
Yep of course, know anybody whos good at elven? Tongue

You mean Quenya?

That a person or a language? Either way - no

13.09.2006 23:03

Arbiter
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quote:

Originally posted by Durdain

quote:

Originally posted by Arbiter

quote:

Originally posted by Durdain
Yep of course, know anybody whos good at elven? Tongue

You mean Quenya?

That a person or a language? Either way - no

It's elven language used in LotR.

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13.09.2006 23:04

Durdain
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Ah, I meant the elder scolls elven language if there is such a thing. Anyway I'm rather confused now and I think we are veering away from the topic somewhat Tongue

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13.09.2006 23:07

Arbiter
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quote:

Originally posted by Durdain
Ah, I meant the elder scolls elven language if there is such a thing. Anyway I'm rather confused now and I think we are veering away from the topic somewhat Tongue

<looks over at FLESH> Er...... Guilds are GREAT and we need MORE guilds.

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13.09.2006 23:09

Mormacil
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Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo

14.09.2006 10:56

FLESH
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RE: FLESH! anybody here?

quote:

Originally posted by Krisi-_

quote:

Originally posted by FLESH
What hurm where? J/k, yes I'm here. And I have read your post, and it seems you have made all the points I was trying to make, so I cannot think of a reply I dunno

quote:

reply to that you..

Hmm, so lets see if I understand. The FG in Valenwood was destroyed some years ago? If so, what do we do? Take away the remaining guild and replace it with clans?

Strange, where did you find this Krisi? And what is it with you guys and the alurring off topic posts you seem to make.

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14.09.2006 19:56

Krisi-_
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RE: FLESH! anybody here?

quote:

Originally posted by FLESH

Hmm, so lets see if I understand. The FG in Valenwood was destroyed some years ago? If so, what do we do? Take away the remaining guild and replace it with clans?

Strange, where did you find this Krisi? And what is it with you guys and the alurring off topic posts you seem to make.

Lady Benoch's Words and Philosophy

quote:

Lady Benoch spent the remainder of the interview, responding in her typically blunt way to the veracity of various myths that surrounded her and her career. It was true that she became the master of the Valenwood Fighter's Guild after winning a duel with the former master, who was a stooge of the Imperial Battlemage, the traitor Jagar Tharn. It was not true that she was the one responsible for the Valenwood Guild's disintegration two years later ("Actually, the membership in the Valenwood chapter was healthy, but in Tamriel overall the mood was not conducive for the continued existence of a nonpartisan organization of freelance warriors.") It was true that she first came to the Emperor's attention when she defended Queen Akorithi of Sentinel from a Breton assassin. It was not true that the assassin was hired by someone in the high court of Daggerfall ("At least," she says wryly, "That has never been proven."). It was also true that she married her former servant Urken after he had been in her service for eleven years ("No one knows how to keep my weaponry honed like he does," she says. "It's a practical business. I either had to give him a raise or marry him.").

there.. and I suggest to read the book.. thats to people who want to make a clan outline too.. It might be on it's way up again? And FG and Clan disscusion should possiblen split to various treads? (I prefer one topic at the time..) and it is probably destroyed.. or was..

14.09.2006 20:10

Krisi-_
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RE: FLESH! anybody here?

I had hoped on some disscusion on it.. well I dunno

15.09.2006 20:21

FLESH
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RE: FLESH! anybody here?

I think most of our memebers are on the Development section

I was however not on at the time of the post. So if the FG is destroyed, we can't really make quests for it? For tha we need to rebuild it first, but rebuilding is a whole different thing altogetther. Maybe thats what our questline should be centered around?

Rebuilding the Fighters Guild.

16.09.2006 10:47

Mormacil
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I don't know, I'm not that much of a fan of the Oblivion Fighters Guild... The mainquest could better be about Bosmer/the Hunter/other Daedra/trees Tongue

But why not making the FG of Valenwood only joinable after to completed the FG in Cyrodill? Then you can rebuild it in Valenwood.

16.09.2006 13:22

FLESH
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The problem with that is, a lot of people would rather not play the FG in Cyrodiil to play the FG in Valenwood. It makes sense that you should be leader over there, but I don't know wether it would be recieved well by the general crowd.

16.09.2006 14:44

Durdain
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I would be in favour of having to finish the Cyrodill FG in order to start up the Valenwood chapter however I can see the problem with that.

I like the idea of rebuilding it in Valenwood very much though, something unique and would add to the slacker Imperialsim of the province.

16.09.2006 16:11

Arbiter
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quote:

Originally posted by Durdain
I would be in favour of having to finish the Cyrodill FG in order to start up the Valenwood chapter however I can see the problem with that.

Yeds, it would probabaly turn-off people.

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23.09.2006 13:17

Krisi-_
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RE: FLESH! anybody here?

quote:

Originally posted by FLESH
I think most of our memebers are on the Development section

let's see:

you can make a quest for it even without making the VW branch if thats what you want.. (having a guy being sent in by Cyrodiil FG and give tasks..)

but ofc that was what I ment.. and to add some Fighter work you gota do some PR... (possibliens even in a arena? as has been something you wanted earlier.. but by no means towards MG.. atleast not with the leaders aproval..)

quote:

Orginally posted by FLESH
It makes sense that you should be leader over there, but I don't know wether it would be recieved well by the general crowd.

well.. no it doesnt make sense really.. they do Cyrodiil and is in a hard time themself.. and people wouldn't like it.. even if asking for more to do if FG Master..

23.09.2006 14:33

raggidman
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RE: FLESH! anybody here?

It does seem that a Valenwood FG would be quite powerful - maybe because Bosmer Bowmen are seen as exceptional - and of them I suspect that Lady wassername is very unusual...

Actually I like Krisi's thought here generally, but not so happy about the ranks yet.

Also I would like you all to consider whether the FG could be a non-joinable faction in Valenwood at least for the moment .... raggidman beats a hasty retreat to a dark corner and waits for the explosion, assassins and other unnameable reactions... :bow:

I'm not worthy...

It is just that I would prefer to see a Ranger's Guild of some sort = Green Pact 'policing' and lots of other structures in place first. We have to all get a handle on the nature of the society we are creating here, and at the moment I feel that FG is a distraction from that...

Can someone post a list of factions to date?
plus put together a fresh list of possibilities based on our own overview of bosmer society at this time?
Please consider that Daggerfall did not have Clans/Great Houses - it was city-based rivalry and other things, so we might look at past disputes in Valenwood.

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11.10.2006 23:31

Mormacil
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Hmm I already posted somewhere some possible towns/settlements/counties. Again, I think three (non joinable) elder clans that still live the old ways. Each in his own region, on in the jungle, one near the tropical coast and one near the pinetrees. Just an idea.

Other factions:
-Imperial Trading Company/West Trading Company(instead of East Tongue

)
-Mage Guild, this will be a way of transportation
-Imperial Legion, I like them joinable, like in Morrowind, maybe not all way to the top, but beeing a soldier would be cool.
-Rangers/hunters guild, kill animals(monsters) and people
-Assasin Guild, could be splinter faction of DB.
-main quest priest order thing
-non joinable Border Patrol, Bosmer militia that patrols te border with Elsewyr.
-Thiefguild, strugling to survive the unstructured chaotic bosmerish underworld.

I know most are not really bosmeri, but I just wrote down the guild that I would like to see. Please ask if you have questiosn about any of them.

12.10.2006 00:18

The Grey Wizard
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Yeah, all sounds good, but a new assasins group would be better. Like the Morag Tong, they had style... The DB is just a bunch of reckless evils that wouldn't last two minutes with Grandmaster Nerevarine, greates't assasin of all time.

19.10.2006 07:15

Mormacil
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Hmm since DB comes from the Morag Tong, why not a bosmer group from the DB, more carefull and masters with bow and stealth. They can operate like paramilitairy groups, hunting down Khajiit for pleasure. DB is indeed more evil the Morag Tong, but why make the bosmer group not as evil? Chaos

19.10.2006 12:15

FLESH
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I thought the DB was perfect. And just plain evil, not a clear evil either. Bethesda got something right with that Guild.

19.10.2006 13:36

Mormacil
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It isn't Valenwood, I like a paramilitary assasin movement... already got some sketches for armor Tongue

19.10.2006 13:48

Arbiter
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quote:

Originally posted by FLESH
I thought the DB was perfect. And just plain evil, not a clear evil either. Bethesda got something right with that Guild.

No, I agree with The Grey Wizard.

DB are just killers, and only reason they're interesting is because they're different from everyone else, and have WAY cooler quests and dialogue. In fact, I bet Beth spent most time on DB than all the other guilds.

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19.10.2006 15:44

Krisi-_
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they got the best questline guy on DB. He should just have been a bit more careful or atleast give a explaination on the use of 'Sithis'.

19.10.2006 15:54

Mormacil
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What do you mean?

edit: Khajiit armor for my assasins

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19.10.2006 19:23

Arbiter
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QFT.

Amazing details on that armor, but please no goggled helmet, unless it's "IMPERFECT". Cool

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19.10.2006 20:28

Mormacil
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It's a magical device with 2 normal glasses and one very small one.

19.10.2006 20:40

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quote:

Originally posted by Mormacil
It's a magical device with 2 normal glasses and one very small one.

I see... so it's like Night vision/some other mumbo-jumbo combined?

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19.10.2006 20:43

Mormacil
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I wanted to add a night eye enchantment on the helmet

19.10.2006 20:48

FLESH
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quote:

Originally posted by Mormacil
I wanted to add a night eye enchantment on the helmet

That would be easily done, and I think would work very nicely. Perhaps the higher level memebers have Detect Life (Sorry, can't remember the exact name) aswell?

19.10.2006 20:50

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