Dark Brotherhood

[Caius Fulcinius]

I suppose so, but it really doesn't make sense. Similar to how the Guards still treat you like crap in Morrowind even when you're the KoID.

[Antihero Wraith]

I'd like to see Elsweyr's Assassins Guild end up as the Crimson Scars. words:


After the Dark Brotherhood attacked them, they fled West, into Elsweyr. Greywyn leaves you Deepscorn, the last Bastion standing in Cyrodiil-- right on the border of Elsweyr!

Everything I've seen lore-wise indicates that the Khajiit themselves would have little use for an Assassins Guild... but vampire Khajiit might! Or vampires manipulating things by strategic assassinations. (or Khajiit hiring vampires to kill for them)


Just a thought-


Also I have tons of resources for the Scars :book:



BTW for those afraid to get a little blood on their claws:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwYSB1C7hgU

[raggidman]

... watched your settable traps video - and laughed my head off - there you were setting them up in the middle of a bar, with the victims and bartender looking on ... and they ran right into them ...

ah, well ... ummm who are the Crimson Scars - explain them your way ...

and be sure that they would have a very good reason for fleeing to Elsweyr ... rather than another province ...

[Alasdair]

I would imagine the kitties have a very great need for an assassination guild! What happens if one naughty cat has a massive debt to their local skooma dealer? Call in the assassins! You can't just have bad kitties like that setting a poor example for all the other khajiit addicts...

[Antihero Wraith]

I wish I could claim that video as my creation!

You can view progress on that HERE




From the Imperial Library:

Dark Brotherhood also accepts vampires as a Dark Brother or Dark Sister. However, in 3E 421, some of the vampires within the guild, formed a group called the Crimson Scars and plan to end the rule of the non-vampire Black Hand. They will then put vampires as the members of the Black Hand. Their plan was thwarted; the members of the vampiric group were slaughtered in their sleep. The leader of the group, Greywyn, was managed to escape the massacre. There is no news about this faction of the guild ever since. However, one of the vampires was still in the service of the Dark Brotherhood as an Executioner long after the incident with the Crimson Scars. His name is Vicente Valtieri, he lived in the Cheydinhal Sanctuary.

From this it might be inferred that the first and only other Purification was that of the Crimson Scars...


Also from the Imperial Library

This is a Journal found in the Bethesda official DLC-VileLair


The following is note is (given when installing the plugin)also from the Imperial Library:

Bloodstained Note

I have watched you from afar and feel it is time to make myself known. I am Greywyn, the last of the Crimson Scars. Once a powerful force rivaling the Dark Brotherhood itself, the Scars were the true followers of Sithis and the masters of deception. I will be departing this world soon, as the cold embrace of the Night Lord calls to me. All I have I leave as a legacy to you. My home, Deepscorn Hollow, will be your new haven. Use the map on the reverse of this note to find it. All that lay within is yours to do with as you please. I have but one request in return... further the ways of shadow and honor Sithis with the darkest of deeds. Make the virtuous pay for their blasphemy with their lifeblood staining your blade. May Sithis guide you.

Greywyn

I'm working on a mod right now to expand the backround/add our own spin on what may have happened...


You can find it HERE




**** Please Note that Imperial Library links above link to the indicated articles within the Imperial Library ****

[Krisi-_]

I don't like the idea of the Crimson Scars fleeing to Elsweyr, they are dead! Well as far as I know anyway, unless a silver dagger in the heart doesn't kill them.. However Silarian(the one who betrayed them) could still be alive. He might be the leader in Elsweyr, rewarded due to his actions.

The Idea, atleast in my mind is the idea that:

In the provinces there is no ranks, you need to already be in the Brotherhood. There is no plot, several contracts but no plotline.

[Antihero Wraith]

Originally posted by Krisi-_
I don't like the idea of the Crimson Scars fleeing to Elsweyr, they are dead! Well as far as I know anyway, unless a silver dagger in the heart doesn't kill them.. However Silarian(the one who betrayed them) could still be alive. He might be the leader in Elsweyr, rewarded due to his actions.

The Idea, atleast in my mind is the idea that:

In the provinces there is no ranks, you need to already be in the Brotherhood. There is no plot, several contracts but no plotline.

Hrm... we know at least one other Crimson Scar survived the attack:

The lair has improved much. I was fortunate to find Rowley Eardwulf at the Wawnet Inn outside of the Imperial City, another Scar who had escaped the night of slaughter. He now does his dark work acquiring the tools I need to bring Deepscorn Hollow back to its former glory. I must remember him in the future should I ever need these items again.

There may have been a few DB members injured in the attack as well and converted/fled before their brothers realized.

In WosH- Silarian has already bit it.... literally.

I definitely agree with the last part though: No plot... several contracts (available from certain members with a gold/nifty item reward) I'll start making NPCs to kill... or finding them :deal:

[The Old Ye Bard]

Originally posted by Krisi-_
I don't like the idea of the Crimson Scars fleeing to Elsweyr, they are dead! Well as far as I know anyway, unless a silver dagger in the heart doesn't kill them.. However Silarian(the one who betrayed them) could still be alive. He might be the leader in Elsweyr, rewarded due to his actions.

The Idea, atleast in my mind is the idea that:

In the provinces there is no ranks, you need to already be in the Brotherhood. There is no plot, several contracts but no plotline.

I would agree with you there, however the player fufiling a plotline of another would be cool. E.g. you are hired by a ruler of a city to take out X person (who you know nothing about), turns out they were a diplomat, and is big news in the Black Horse Courier (or whatever), then you are hired again for a few follow-up assinations that are along the same lines, which would culminate in some big diplomatic uproar with people grappling for power, etc, with you getting to laugh about it because everyone is pointing fingers, but you luckily enough are safe within the secrecy of the Dark Brotherhood.

[raggidman]

I like elements from all 3 of you. And your combined analysis suggests an entirely different approach.

It's like this:
The name Crimson Scars died with the wipe-out, but the purpose of Sithis lives on with any surviving members ... we have news of one survivor (other than the one who it is claimed betrayed them) and where there is one there may be more, as it often takes an asassin to evade an assassin ... That is open because they did not all die in one room in plain sight of the player ...

To revive the purpose in a believable way (so that the Dark Brotherhood do not immediately kill off the revivalists) a new beginning is needed that accomodates a certain amount of killing - smuggling - drugs - thieves - agressive trading organisation - slavers - mercenary company ... people have to train, and the group needs a front to build influence and thereby gain intelligence ...

On this basis it is possible that a survivor absconded with the Crimson Scar's Treasury = a basis for a new organisation. And for a vampire to move quickly cash and a front are always useful...

And if you want a real twist, then the abscondee was the real betrayer of the Scars who believed that they were only playing at whorshiping Sithis ... and framed Silatrian who had a suspicion that a betrayal was being arranged and attempted to subvert that process by appearing to join it?

Next you have to assess the potential for this new organisation in Elsweyr, and reactions to its image ... and consider how powerful it might become = limitations ...

One last note. Rowley Eardwulf cannot be involved with this organisation ... he is rebasing in another, known location. But what would he do if he caught a whisper?

No obligation to follow this in detail, but I suggest that you do consider the thinking here carefully.

[Antihero Wraith]

Originally posted by raggidman

It's like this:
The name Crimson Scars died with the wipe-out, but the purpose of Sithis lives on with any surviving members ... we have news of one survivor (other than the one who it is claimed betrayed them) and where there is one there may be more, as it often takes an assassin to evade an assassin ... That is open because they did not all die in one room in plain sight of the player ...

To revive the purpose in a believable way (so that the Dark Brotherhood do not immediately kill off the revivalists) a new beginning is needed that accommodates a certain amount of killing - smuggling - drugs - thieves - aggressive trading organization - slavers - mercenary company ... people have to train, and the group needs a front to build influence and thereby gain intelligence ...

On this basis it is possible that a survivor absconded with the Crimson Scar's Treasury = a basis for a new organization. And for a vampire to move quickly cash and a front are always useful...

And if you want a real twist, then the abscondee was the real betrayer of the Scars who believed that they were only playing at worshiping Sithis ... and framed Silatrian who had a suspicion that a betrayal was being arranged and attempted to subvert that process by appearing to join it?

Next you have to assess the potential for this new organization in Elsweyr, and reactions to its image ... and consider how powerful it might become = limitations ...

One last note. Rowley Eardwulf cannot be involved with this organization ... he is rebasing in another, known location. But what would he do if he caught a whisper?

This is a brilliant direction.... Rowley might be able to give you a hint, but only after you purchase all the upgrades to Deepscorn... it should be a quick and easy edit and we can always just use him as an Easter Egg of sorts... with no real need for him/or for VileLair...

It should be relatively simple for a vampire/group of vampires to slowly take over any Bandit gangs to start to procure their own ill gotten funds...

I believe that Cyrodiil already has an active skooma trade built in... HUGE potential for income if managed by the right people in Elsweyr....