Zaneeba's monster book of models

[Ibsen's Ghost]

Waaah! Monster post-fest! :eek:

Okay, some thoughts: Sloads - I like 'em chubby and I'm not just talking about those pics that LN posted. Where did you get all those pics of my ex-girlfriends btw?

The only problem is that if he gets any fatter, we won't NEED any animations besides a slight wobble effect. Great work, ZS! :goodjob:

I don't know about the FPS issue though and whether it's going to be a problem. I hope KP can sort it.

Talking of which, the 'works wonders' thing only serves to emphasise how much value I place in Koniption. I'd have left this project long ago if it wasn't for her skills and enthusiasm.

And yes, having another modeller around should help you develop your skills, NA. Keep going with your current projects and maybe others can assist you along the way....plus if you know facegen and can do lip-synching then that would make you very valuable indeed because we still have TMJ's 'Sarpa' model that I'm absolutely desperate to get animated and talking....

[Lore_Naga]

LN: Firstly you should make some more nice points on peoples threads (No Offense),

Secondly your point is your own and i happen to know some sload enthusiasts that would die to see a playable sload race (They love the look of them,
And they like roleplaying "Big" "Tough" people that are quite smart),

Thirdly you doubt it can be created when yet it is highly possible for someone to create one if they train and work on it (And you have to be joking me!
Have you seen the mods out there?
Take WAC's on going mod - Have you heard reports of it
"Melting peoples PCs" well i have and i know true and well that it is possible to play it without it melting your computer, So the game engine might have limitations but im sure they've already been pushed over the line in one mod or another).


Ibsen: Talking about the whole slight wobble effect...
I was thinking that these guys remind me of a certain worm-like disgusting and repulsive guy from star wars?
Yeah i mean jabba the hutt if you could'nt hit the nut there,
Why don't we have a really fat (I mean really Fat!) tailed sload that could take inspiration off jabba the hutt (And hey the fans would notice the new easter egg!)
Also its not as bad as bethesda's easter eggs.....

[Ibsen's Ghost]

Easy there, NA. LN is making some very useful comments here and, even as our resident lurker with a critical edge, she nonetheless really helps in many different areas. The problem is that this can appear abrasive at times. Take care yourself too. Online talk can easily get misinterpreted and get people angry when nothing of the sort is intended. Try to keep it to the hows and the whys as opposed to the "yes, it is" and the "no, it isn't". That way we get closer to any genuine source of dispute and solve it.

I'm crap with modelling, personally but as I understand it, technical stuff like this needs careful consideration.

Anyway, Jabba would look quite cool but then it would probably end up looking unoriginal and we already have the Naga-with-tail idea plus this one. No need to combine them, I think, really....but as an Easter egg....hmmmm....

[Lore_Naga]

Ibsen is not listening to me :yes: .......
I said "A Fat Tailed Sload" Not a sload with a naga tail :lmao:

[Lady Nerevar]

Secondly your point is your own and I happen to know some sload enthusiasts that would die to see a playable sload race (They love the look of them, And they like roleplaying "Big" "Tough" people that are quite smart),

me being one. i would love a playable sload. However, that is not the scope of this mod. the black marshes is about recreating the black marshes in a way that is lore correct (unless something has changed in the past few weeks...). sload are not native to black marsh, and are therefore not vitally important (as opposed to say naga or some other native race)

Thirdly you doubt it can be created when yet it is highly possible for someone to create one if they train and work on it (And you have to be joking me! Have you seen the mods out there? Take WAC's on going mod - Have you heard reports of it "Melting peoples PCs" well I have and I know true and well that it is possible to play it without it melting your computer, So the game engine might have limitations but I'm sure they've already been pushed over the line in one mod or another).

WAC uses existing skeletons and 'simply' modifies creatures. MMM would have been a more valid example: and yet even it does not attempt to make a whole new playable race with a whole new skeleton and all the animations that go with it.

to create a playable sload, you first need a model that is textured, rigged, and set up to allow modulation of the face and hair. that alone is a feat. it then needs a custom skeleton (a creature sload does not need to perform as many actions as a player character, and hence can get away with being rigged to an existing skeleton). after you have that you need animations: 323 to be exact. have fun with that, animations for oblivion are difficult and tedious. when youve got it made and moving you still need to get it in game: any and all clothing and armor needs to be scripted to apply a different model to the sload (oh yea, and these different models need to be made too) - this probably requires scripts on each and every piece of clothing in game. after that you have to make additional dialog for sload, dialog for people responding to sload, and sload talking to sload. after all that it could turn out that the sload cant function in tamriel because its too fat to fit through the doors.

in other words, its a lot of work. yes, its possible, if you have a skilled modeler and animator willing to devote a year of work to the project. its not advisable for a province mod in which no sload have ever been reported.

[zaneeba_slave]

I havent Modded for several years, so I was still under the impression that Oblivion Modding was still limited to static animations. I guess that changed long ago :yes:

I think that the most complex thing we can do with this particular sload is make him an NPC. Playable might prove impossible as of the moment. However, should I decide to make a smaller and more teenage-esque sload, then it might be more possible to make it playable. But that in and of itself sounds like a completely different Mod (Which I cant afford, since I am extremely scatter-brained)

[Lore_Naga]

Ok i dont want to create an argument about this but im a bit hissed off.

LN ok,

Lady Nerevar i already said to many a person that i will be modelling different races and as such i "Offered" for me to have a go at this,
I do say your "Etiquette" of constructive critisim is quite on an offensive front but it does give the valid points on what will work and what will not work and even though that ibsen may differ against this but i do find it is in harsh conjunction to make it as i should say "Appear" to be negative on the "Creating" side of the subject, When a more balanced post of "Rights" and "Negatives" will be at the least a more positive outlook on the post at hand.

(I do say old 'chap i think ive turned english)

I have experience in some modelling programs and im willing to learn,
I say on a positive point that is enough to make a sload smile happily. =)


My favourite song is- Smiling Faces by Gnarls Barkley
Something to enjoy your life with, is that song.

[Koniption]

Try to keep this thread friendly and on topic. If there is an argument, please, please take it to the PM system here.

This is zaneeba's first official thread here, and I don't want any escalation in it.

Lore_Naga: LN has a lot of knowledge of things she decides to post about, whether she comes across as abrasive or not. You can either believe her and follow her advice, or decide that you really want to try to make a playable sload race, despite the known difficulties. It really is up to you what decision you make. But if you decide to make a sload race and especially head morphs, you're going to have to be endeavoring to do it mostly on your own, because it is unknown territory.

Koniption

[Ibsen's Ghost]

Yes, it would be tough. Take it slow, NA and don't walk before you can run. You can easily get ahead of yourself and then feel deflated by the amount of time it's taken you to get to point B....

Personally, I would be delighted just to have the Sload as a creature which will be a painstaking enough animation job as it is. In terms of priorities, I would say we need the Sarpa in-game as an absolutely essential requirement. Naga are also clearly BM-specific and, although I'd love to have this remarkable piece of modelling in-game, it would nonetheless be wise to let them take the back seat in terms of priorities if we mean to keep the mod on-course without too many diversions.

Having said that, there's no reason why we can't achieve all three in the long run.

[Lore_Naga]

Sorry about all that ibsen,
It would be good to destroy all posts off topic here if i was you ibsen or re-edit them.

Edit by Ibsen's Ghost - Too time-consuming to do without losing stuff...never mind. It happens.