Official Balmora

[Ixidors Bane]

Originally posted by Dentar Eli-Jara
. Im working on the 6 year span, i think that its diff. but dont know. anyways, yeas it should be about 2x the size it was in morrowid. It was undersized in that game. so ya, i jsut ment that there would be bigger towers.

It has already been confirmed that there is a six year span between the start of Morrowind and the start of Oblivion.

And the Balmora I'm thinking of will be around x2 the size of the old one (most of it up or underground, instead of out). Just get an idea of how much is really changing from old to new:

• Every building is getting a face-lift and some new levels
  
• The new huge dock at the south end of town and the smaller one at the north
  
• The guard towers at the north and south ends of town
  
• A little stronghold above the southeast enterance
  
• The widening of the river and remaking all the bridges and walls in the town
  
• Plus all the interior remodeling that will have gone on (a lot of the the stronghold will be underground)

And there might be a couple things I forgot, but even so, the above is a huge amount to handle in only six years.

[falco1029]

if it's alright with balmora's leader and kulkuza, when we get there i could make a few attack quests that would run on rai. They would be at random times, but they'd last logn enough for you to get there in the middle of one (medieval battles usually lasted days at a time)

[KuKulzA]

Originally posted by Dentar Eli-Jara
. Im working on the 6 year span, i think that its diff. but dont know. anyways, yeas it should be about 2x the size it was in morrowid. It was undersized in that game. so ya, i jsut ment that there would be bigger towers.

well everything was minimized in the TES3 game... I mean the ashlands were supposed to be huge... well I didn't get lost at all.... Ald Ruhn should've been a bit bigger... infact most of the settlements could've used a few more homes... say ranging from 3-30.... Vivec seemed to need more housing space and more people....


but remember, Balmora is not a huge city though its supposed to be big, infact its not the Hlaalu clan-stead... Narsis in the south of Morrowind IS.... now when we get to those cities like Mounrhold, Necrom, Tear, and Narsis... thats when the cities get BIG..... Dunmer have been there for a LONG time... but Vvardenfell only more recently settled


so Vivec may be New York, but the other cities are like villages compared to it.... well maybe towns....

[Ixosis]

Hmm... well we can spin off the fact that it has been 6 LONG years of Hlaalu bringing in many architects and/or slaves to build the city and these defenses, and tunnel out the underground stronghold.

Actually we can implement a quest where a guard tower/dock/etc. hasnt been finished yet, and you can be involved in helping it get finished.

It's just a spin off as the whole Odai could have been the focus of Hlaalu construcions, because an inlet from the sea to any inner city is a valuable thing.

[KuKulzA]

Originally posted by Ixosis
Hmm... well we can spin off the fact that it has been 6 LONG years of Hlaalu bringing in many architects and/or slaves to build the city and these defenses, and tunnel out the underground stronghold.

Actually we can implement a quest where a guard tower/dock/etc. hasnt been finished yet, and you can be involved in helping it get finished.

It's just a spin off as the whole Odai could have been the focus of Hlaalu construcions, because an inlet from the sea to any inner city is a valuable thing.

sounds good... and the Hlaalu certainly do have the resources... if they need slaves they can get them... labor won't be a problem for them... neither will cash... and since Balmora is their main city on Vvardenfell, a place where they are getting rich off the ebony... they WANT to have their few holdings fortified....

[nunc]

It has already been confirmed that there is a six year span between the start of Morrowind and the start of Oblivion.

And the Balmora I'm thinking of will be around x2 the size of the old one (most of it up or underground, instead of out). Just get an idea of how much is really changing from old to new:

* Every building is getting a face-lift and some new levels
* The new huge dock at the south end of town and the smaller one at the north
* The guard towers at the north and south ends of town
* A little stronghold above the southeast enterance
* The widening of the river and remaking all the bridges and walls in the town
* Plus all the interior remodeling that will have gone on (a lot of the the stronghold will be underground)

And there might be a couple things I forgot, but even so, the above is a huge amount to handle in only six years.

it is confirmed that TES4 Oblvion will be roughly as big as vvardenfell. If we look on the map we see that oblivion is twice as big as vvardenfell. The scale changed probably from 1:10 to 1:20. So instead of making everything bigger, the towns probably needs to be smaller or in the case of balmora almost the TES3 size.

[KuKulzA]

if you are concerned head over to the
Oblivion Scale thread.... its disturbing in some ways... but it won't be a big problem, or shouldn't be... thanks to what Astarsis names:
autonomous regions
http://www.silgrad.com/wbb2/thread.php?t...d=527&sid=

[falco1029]

looking at how mucvh of cyrodiil is covered, it seems liek the scale willbe roughly around the same size.

[Razorwing]

Even if you put a town in an autonomous region and make it three times as large on the inside, a higher overall scale would still mean that the distance between the towns shrunk. Heck, couple it with the vast viewing distance of TES IV and it might turn out you can see from town to town. And with the same amount of settlements but half the landmass, there might be fewer spots to mod adventures or special locations.

Our team hasn't really decided as far as I know but I feel the general consensus is that we don't want to compromise on the scope of our part of the world compared to TES III even if it means moving away from the scale TES IV uses. I'd love plenty of room for farms, wilderness, ruins and other adventure- and questrelated stuff. Heh, I even think it was cramped enough as it was in our TES III mod so I wouldn't object to making it even more roomier than just keeping the scale.

Besides, I doubt most players would worry that much about the scale, they'd be too awed by seeing Vvardenfell again and exploring all the wonderful stuff your team will create

[falco1029]

yeah, not like beth would ban our mod because it's not to scale or anything