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As stated Cuthalion, a sacrifice by 6th House rebels would be sufficient to buy the lives of 6th House children - remember that previously the surviving infants were subsumed into the other Houses, so there is precedent.
Trubble is that Dagoth Ur used His 'God-Power' to locate hem, invade their minds and turn them to his cause. So maybe there will be those who will be inclined to clemency.
Try a NEW Solution: The rebel 6th House Elders sacrifice themselves in some important endeavour to buy the children a new House Name and Identity. this might be a 'minor' House technically under the patronage of one of the weaker Great Houses that need allies... and numbers. On the understanding that eventually the children would be free to decide the future of their new House for themselves... having worked off any debts incurred... Thus leaving the stage open, and a possible acquisition by the player of his own minor House - with not only the opportunity to build a stronghold, but also a name for his new House...
What would have to be considered carefully would be how to mod this satisfyingly without actually including the children themselves? Well, the Adult carers of the children would be there preparing the stronghold and settlement while the children were 'temporarily' at an unspecified 'hidden location.'
At intervals it might be that some of the older 'children' would have birthdays, and gain majority, at which point they might arrive, one by one at their new settlement - but under threat on their journey - requiring the player to intervene in various assassination attempts, and plots to waylay and abuse them generally...
KKA I see you hav addressed the question of Vivec's disappearance. This is a brave stance because Bethsoft may well include more Lore on him in any expansions, and most certainly in TES+ . so your courage is to be survived! Still, I believe you have to address his circumstance in some way, and it is reasonable to suggest that with the breakdown in the Empire's organisation news may well be innaccurate.
It is likely that Beth has fewer plans for the Nerevarine for obvious reasons. According to what I have been told of the new Lore they have both disapppeared. With the Nerevarine, as we have all played him/her it would be plain invasive to mod him/her directly - you would have to upset either those who played him as a girl or those who played her as a bloke. So personal appearances are not positive. If you do this then you are likely to find yourself caught coming and going. But that is not to say that you cannot have lore and messages to or from the Nerevarine! To do that you will have to be very careful about the lore surrounding ...
re the Witchhunters, I think you have a great idea in the besieging of the shrines - and the withhunters and the Ordinators might well work together on this, with the Redoran and Indoril Ordinators and Witchunters remaining Ordinators and Witchunters to do this, at the expense of Redoran and Indoril = which might go a long way to explain the probs they have financially.
The Ordinators and Witchunters from the other Great Houses return to their Houses to take up their normal place in society, thus swelling their available workpool and military strength, and go some way to explain the comparative rise of Hlaalu (without the support of the Emperor?) and Dres (who have had their Slave Trade decimated?)
You are getting there, but still have to account for the Dissident Priests... I assume they were absorbed back into the Temple - the question is how... that could be very important. Is the Nerevarine closely connected with the Dissident Priests, were they to remain independant anyway, maybe founding their own order within the Temple? what?
The Nerevarine must be accounted for as this is Nerevarine Territory. But as stated above is going to be impossible to satisfactorily represent directly, so there are still issues to be considered. He/she disappeared, why? how?
What became of the Nerevarine's attachments and control of various guilds and so forth? This requires a powerful storeyline = book or letters or...
Did the Nerevarine remain an Ashlander? I think yes.
Did the Nerevarine leave the Great House he joined? I think yes
What of the various Guilds? Well maybe they received a letter purportedly from the Nerevarine that tell of a decision to go into seclusion to 'attend to personal matters' and there are quest possibilities in discovering what actually happened? Maybe tying into the 'new lore' in some way? Maybe the Nerevarine was also kidnapped, or travellled to other planes??? as did Yagrum Bagrum.
But once these issues are resolved to some degree the possibility of assistance and intervention from the Nerevarine becomes a possiblilty so long as he/she is never directly seen.
Once you have arrived at a point where you believe you have sorted all this I suggest that either you create a Lit section of your own, or make use of the main ST Lit Dev (where you are always welcome) to commission Lore Books. Rather like a claim for a town property = you give the quote from discussion, or set out the foundation anew for each essential piece of Lore in a separate Thread and open each Thread to be claimed by whoever wants to try creating the actual document. This lets others in to try their hand at this kind of stuff, and allows you to direct the general trend so that it all hangs together and arrives at a point where everything has its place and purpose...however contadictory it may appears...
Most importantly you will then get actual documents produced... With Lit and Lore the debates can still rage on natch, and some or much of the material you commission will then be contradicted by other events - not to worry - they could be forgeries, abandoned policy, refuted philosophy - but that is not to say that they are not true!
fiendishly yours,
rm
Trubble is that Dagoth Ur used His 'God-Power' to locate hem, invade their minds and turn them to his cause. So maybe there will be those who will be inclined to clemency.
Try a NEW Solution: The rebel 6th House Elders sacrifice themselves in some important endeavour to buy the children a new House Name and Identity. this might be a 'minor' House technically under the patronage of one of the weaker Great Houses that need allies... and numbers. On the understanding that eventually the children would be free to decide the future of their new House for themselves... having worked off any debts incurred... Thus leaving the stage open, and a possible acquisition by the player of his own minor House - with not only the opportunity to build a stronghold, but also a name for his new House...
What would have to be considered carefully would be how to mod this satisfyingly without actually including the children themselves? Well, the Adult carers of the children would be there preparing the stronghold and settlement while the children were 'temporarily' at an unspecified 'hidden location.'
At intervals it might be that some of the older 'children' would have birthdays, and gain majority, at which point they might arrive, one by one at their new settlement - but under threat on their journey - requiring the player to intervene in various assassination attempts, and plots to waylay and abuse them generally...
KKA I see you hav addressed the question of Vivec's disappearance. This is a brave stance because Bethsoft may well include more Lore on him in any expansions, and most certainly in TES+ . so your courage is to be survived! Still, I believe you have to address his circumstance in some way, and it is reasonable to suggest that with the breakdown in the Empire's organisation news may well be innaccurate.
It is likely that Beth has fewer plans for the Nerevarine for obvious reasons. According to what I have been told of the new Lore they have both disapppeared. With the Nerevarine, as we have all played him/her it would be plain invasive to mod him/her directly - you would have to upset either those who played him as a girl or those who played her as a bloke. So personal appearances are not positive. If you do this then you are likely to find yourself caught coming and going. But that is not to say that you cannot have lore and messages to or from the Nerevarine! To do that you will have to be very careful about the lore surrounding ...
re the Witchhunters, I think you have a great idea in the besieging of the shrines - and the withhunters and the Ordinators might well work together on this, with the Redoran and Indoril Ordinators and Witchunters remaining Ordinators and Witchunters to do this, at the expense of Redoran and Indoril = which might go a long way to explain the probs they have financially.
The Ordinators and Witchunters from the other Great Houses return to their Houses to take up their normal place in society, thus swelling their available workpool and military strength, and go some way to explain the comparative rise of Hlaalu (without the support of the Emperor?) and Dres (who have had their Slave Trade decimated?)
You are getting there, but still have to account for the Dissident Priests... I assume they were absorbed back into the Temple - the question is how... that could be very important. Is the Nerevarine closely connected with the Dissident Priests, were they to remain independant anyway, maybe founding their own order within the Temple? what?
The Nerevarine must be accounted for as this is Nerevarine Territory. But as stated above is going to be impossible to satisfactorily represent directly, so there are still issues to be considered. He/she disappeared, why? how?
What became of the Nerevarine's attachments and control of various guilds and so forth? This requires a powerful storeyline = book or letters or...
Did the Nerevarine remain an Ashlander? I think yes.
Did the Nerevarine leave the Great House he joined? I think yes
What of the various Guilds? Well maybe they received a letter purportedly from the Nerevarine that tell of a decision to go into seclusion to 'attend to personal matters' and there are quest possibilities in discovering what actually happened? Maybe tying into the 'new lore' in some way? Maybe the Nerevarine was also kidnapped, or travellled to other planes??? as did Yagrum Bagrum.
But once these issues are resolved to some degree the possibility of assistance and intervention from the Nerevarine becomes a possiblilty so long as he/she is never directly seen.
Once you have arrived at a point where you believe you have sorted all this I suggest that either you create a Lit section of your own, or make use of the main ST Lit Dev (where you are always welcome) to commission Lore Books. Rather like a claim for a town property = you give the quote from discussion, or set out the foundation anew for each essential piece of Lore in a separate Thread and open each Thread to be claimed by whoever wants to try creating the actual document. This lets others in to try their hand at this kind of stuff, and allows you to direct the general trend so that it all hangs together and arrives at a point where everything has its place and purpose...however contadictory it may appears...
Most importantly you will then get actual documents produced... With Lit and Lore the debates can still rage on natch, and some or much of the material you commission will then be contradicted by other events - not to worry - they could be forgeries, abandoned policy, refuted philosophy - but that is not to say that they are not true!
fiendishly yours,
rm
05-26-2006, 08:18 PM